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Says off guns desperately try to leave that country. He says its impossible to evacuate thousands of people by the August 31st deadlines set by the president of the United States Joe Biden. Most countries have agreed to take in a small number of afghans the European Commission president Vaughan De Leon visited a spanish military airport in madrid thats being used as a temporary transit point. Chin, the guns fish. Thats legal. It is very important that we offer legal options to those who have to flee afghanistan because of their convictions because they have worked for us because they are womens rights activists. Or because they a journalist, we must now offer them safe ways to leave the country and be accepted when we come home from 18. Devastating earthquake survivors, the facing severe shortages of aid shelter. The government is facing growing criticism over it responds to the disaster out. Is there a visitor to make sure if campus survivors and found a pulling conditions . And hes 41 palestinians, including children, have been injured to the israeli. All me, father protested, demonstrating the of the cause a border. The protesters were reportedly having hurling 5 bulbs from behind. The strips for defense and israeli soldier was also injured. Demonstrations have taken place weakly over the 4th expulsion of palestinian families in shake gerad. Its occupied seriously. Millions of people in the u. S. A being warned to prepare for fierce winds on heavy rain as hurricane on re heads towards the east coast. The saw was expected to make Land Fall in long island, new york or southern new england on sunday and other Hurricane Grace has killed at least 8 people along mexicos east coast. They brought winds of up to 200 kilometers per hour, causing studying and power outages. As you headlines, hes continues here now to 0 to the stream. More than 10 years after the global financial crisis, youve taken home more than 480000000. 00. Your companies now bankrupt our economies in the state of crisis. I have a very casey question. This is their last home the us held responsible. I will be fabulously wealthy and i will not take any price for it. Thank you. Lord, the man who is still the world on al jazeera. Ah hi, im Rachelle Kerry Filling in for me. Ok, welcome to the Bonus Edition of the stream well retake you behind the scenes of our broadcast this week. A special feature on afghanistan will take you back in time to some of the conversations that were happening before this week. 2019 and discussion with some of afghanistans leading female politicians and activists about womens rights as the u. S. Lets negotiate a Peace Agreement with the taliban all the way up until this week when the taliban over through the government. First, lets revisit an interview from spring 2021 when the stream covered the precarious situation of the more than 300000 and ask and who have worked for the us government since 2001 over the years and many of received special immigrant thesis but before the events of the past week, petitioners were facing delays and experts were predicting a crisis mad seller whose life was saved by as ask an interpreter back in 2008 during the stream in april. To sound the alarm on the immediate need to evacuate as many people as possible. We last doors, Iraq And Afghanistan in terms of being able to achieve the objectives that we started out to achieve, right. And afghan. It was to leave behind the country that was absent of the taliban. They survived. They let us, they outlasted us and theyre going to likely and here is an afghanistan after we depart. The reality that is that the people who befriended us, the people who partnered with us are going to be murdered by the very people that we ask them to help fight against if we dont do something right now to evacuate them. The way that i describe it is there is a Train Crash coming. We all can see it. The train is about to derail off of the tracks. Is going to hit the village. We cant save the people on the train, theyre likely going to die, but we might be able to evacuate the village if we start right now. And thats what q and i have done. Weve written reporter, to help the by the ministration begin. The immediate evacuation of our afghan war time allies from afghanistan Starting Today to begin the processing of these individuals to get to the United States and if necessary to move them to another part of the world outside of the United States where they can reside there and so we can figure out their Visa Situation because the reality is when collapse comes in afghanistan, it is likely going to happen faster than washington can react to it. And these people will be our last priority when it comes time to evacuate. The words are to the ac, is in the rockies watching. This is going to ever be an american to say this, ill say it, im sorry, we let you down. Were letting you down right now, but please know some of us havent forgotten you and are going to keep fighting until we get all of you home to safety. I mean, this is, thats, i wish the Bite And Ministration would would do the right thing here. Theyve got all the right people in place to actually enact the right policies. They just need to have the Courage And Conviction to do the right thing. Positive bite and can call me anytime. And i will show up and call to whatever i have to, to help them get this going. We cant wait, we cant wait. We need our congressional representatives to hear this. We need american citizens to call their congressional representatives and make them aware of this problem. We need immediate action without delay. My. I see i can i hear it, but im not necessarily seeing it on the ground. Yeah. No, its not happening on the ground. So what needs to happen is this, we are report, thankfully is getting some of the wonderful folks at the truman national Security Project and veterans for american ideals over at human rights. First our can help us try and get it to the right folks in government and maybe see if we can get it inactive and get it into into play. The reality of this, weve done that tuition like this, not twice. We did it in 975. We took 800000 vietnamese. They happened to be on boats, but we brought them to guam. And then they spent a couple of months in guam while we processed their visas and moved them to the United States. In 1996, be airlifted thousands of kurdish fighters out of northern iraq as saddams army. Bear down on them because they had assisted us during the 1st gulf war. We moved them to guam where they lived for another 6 months until we process their visas and got him here. We need to begin that airlift now in afghanistan, and we need to reconstitute or program for our rocky allies. Weve, weve betrayed them and we need to figure out a way to get them to safety. American friendships should not me to death. Then im going to say that over and over and over again because thats how i was raised. Were supposed to depot the people who keep their word and do the right thing. Thats what i believed when i joined to serve my country and im going to fight to ensure that my country lives up to that ideal. A reminder. And that conversation was more than 4 months ago. Following the taliban take over this week, thousands of afghans who work for the us government over the past 2 decades have been left stranded. Another group of afghans who safety is now in peril. Are women where the return of the taliban . Many believe that the hard fought gains for women over the past 20 years are now being completely railed. But on tuesday, in their 1st Press Conference at taliban spokesperson said, women would be active in society within the framework of char, yet the world will be watching. Now in 2019 discussed how far womens rights had advanced in afghanistan, havent listened to what are guessed. High profile women representing both the afghan government and womens Rights Initiative had to say. From a few i would say something to you very clearly to the women have to understand and to the women around the work made or thinking we are going and taking a Day Or Job patients additions power. And theres a fair enough garnished on among men. It doesnt matter, their main Government Or County Bomb Side or driving like they dont like. This is what time talking from my own experience. But when it comes to women, empowerment, and despite of the women are educated or not, they are living in the city or villages. They are capital and they have enough power to raise what exactly they want. I dont like any circle to be wall by anyone to do Women Stuff to say ok guys, you can go and you can just be in education or you can work. Know who they are, that they like control for the circle or frame. What should i do and what i should think i am seeking for equality, men and women, according to the law. I would like the constitution as i have the owner to draft the constitution, and i know how hard a i travel more than 16 progress myself. Before village, but did message was exactly the same different language, different sentence, dan would say meaning a peaceful long term doesnt mean that one political coup or another political group will lead to country. Hes full of me, respect and implement the justice. I want to actually bring the attention that why are we asking for inclusion, be human Rights Argument is divide till one that we are half of the population. So what is the question of us being left a type, but its about like, what do we bring to the table . Having been, i behind the council, i, my experience showed that every time that we brought in, you know, the political leaders, the factions, the warlord, we women talked about what happened to that school which was bumped, which is called, what happened to the clinic. That is not being used by the community. Why people are not being able to get any access to the local government. Why dont we have an attorney Generals Office in this province . In there has been time that ive been told that, you know, you, women are still problematic because you bring the whole problem of the community. I never ask for my own right that i want to be the minister of this and i want to be the minister of that. Know, i keep bringing the issues of the community in bio and inclusion. We have actually opened a door for other minority, you know, it didnt, but the reason im full concerned about is that i dont want us to be another civil war. They want to some conflict. You said started from 2000 once a 17 year. But its, i hold as myself, its actually going to be 40 years of conflict. We have hype, the warlord going to saudi arabia. And i remember vividly finding actually putting their hands on the holy book on or on saying that we will get together the moment they came because this there was no reconciliation. It fell apart. So what im worried about is that colleagues are the u. S. Negotiators. Its talking with these, you know, tell me had taught one leaders sitting in the 5 Star Hotel, but then when they come back to up on a sunday, find out the whole new structure. You know, you have all of these young come back and fighting on the ground. You have a new generation, any penny. If somebody was 20 years of age and theyre the parlor bond, now that person is actually turkey. 8. He had gone to school, he had gone to university, he has a social Media Axis and he has a voice. Same goes to the young women. So the talking about are going to actually face a whole new kind of treat which they are not ready to accept. And this is what im more interested to bring in. Its not just about women that because im a woman, im only talking about women. No, i there as a part of the society, i want to know what happens to be this armament. We have so many armed men in this society and to talk about would be an addition to that. Like how, how do we do disarmament . What happened to the reconciliation . We have a lot of, you know, national grievances, how do we get along with each other . So were not really let me just ask you this because youre missing with some really important issues that you would like to be discuss. Im just looking here at out 0 Dot Com u. S. Taliban talks resuming. Do after to day break. You can see the May Cant hear of people at the discussion table. Are you telling me that those issues that you said of so important to the community . Are they not being discussed . We are not at the paper. And when we are in that 5 Star Hotel menu that they have all to the east and also, you know, do we are not being deal . Nobody is talking about the end of bloodshed. We had 10. How did civilian casualties in this just 2018 . We have 45000 off our thumb. This forces off on a son who have been you know, a victim of this more. So we have given so much all sacrifice in this war. And at the end of the day, its the us and the parliament who have been living and could talk in behind the market. And they dont know what, what kind of, on a son they are actually going to see after the 20 year boston road. Theyre speaking to us more than 2 years ago. She is now living in exile because of death threats from the taliban and our Twitter Account has been taken down. Finally, lets talk about the taliban takeover. Recently on the stream i spoke with pushed on a Dirani And Threat bruin about the west control. And the chaos had a sense ensued after the show we continue the conversation and i asked them to respond to an opinion submitted to the show by the former us deputy ambassador to afghanistan. Have a listen. Can there be an effective relationship with the new government . The new tolerant government and to get agreement with partners and rivals around the world as to what basic commitments should be made by the taliban government. If they want to be recognized with others. If they want to have international assistance, financial assistance in the, in the very short Term And Development assistance going forward. And theyre very much going to need that. The previous government was dependent on the international community for 80 percent of its funding. So this is an important need of a new government. So brett, if, if what the Master Thing is right, that the taliban and needs things from, from the international community. If theyre going to make this work, its not about whether or not they have a change of heart thats really irrelevant. But it just broke just just from a matter of legit. Practicality, what im trying to say that they need to behave a certain way to get certain things from the international community. Does that ring true to you . Well, you know, i know Investor Wayne very well, lot of respect for him, but i would respectfully disagree. The tele bon survived for several years without any international recognition. And he international aid. I think were seeing this through a western lens in order to have legitimacy, you know, order to operate. Like we would consider a normal government to function. Theyre going to need all of our programs. I dont know that thats their calculus. And at the end of the day, they are going to make judgements based on whats in the interest of their own survival. And all of this a, perhaps with the exception of china, which is another issue we can get into, comes with a lot of strains. And so they are going to shoot those kinds of constrains. And i would expect that countries like china, even russia, are going to provide them with enough aid to be able to survive and say in power. Its an interesting point that you made brush on that a lot of times we do think and see thing through a western lens. Ill admit, as a journalist, sometimes i, i will by Default Position is to ask a question from a western perspective. But what brett is saying is that the taliban isnt thinking like that. The. Hes right about that nice. You know, you have to understand back to it. And the group is pretty much not back. Think group with a one that could have been living within that could be literally financed by china to show whatever country is coming like to get food. But then its the people who are a dependent and who would be abandoned the want to be having any Service Delivery be want be having any like, you know, educational access or like you know, healthcare access, all these Things Matter and that, that even that 80 percent of that eightys needed for right. Even if it went into the corrupt pockets of the leader that we had in the past. But right now we need that each for the civilians, not the taliban. Right. And the taliban is a small group and the can do finance of china or whatever country you take. You have to understand that from this perspective, civilians are going to have or not them by, at the same time, the needle, as you can see, the need ricky commission, right back. All these countries can pressure on them to recognize all these, right . Except the 50 percent off on us, except that all the civilians asked on the sense and then moving forward, we can see that ok, maybe we forward and push on. Im curious. Your reaction to president Joe Biden saying, basically that the, the ask and army didnt want to fight whats, whats your take on that babylon that me was asked to stand by the one that was told to stand by. And they were not to fight, not to engage because it is that the p still has been like, you know, has been a pc and they couldnt be fighting. Go on kick that account, ask them be they would tell you that saying this. Coming this from a one leader. I would expect this on the taliban, but not from job. Right. And if you think its not something that should be seen because he listed in that to meet people invested in that army, all your techs, theres all there 6, theres need for that on me. And now you think the people didnt fight, they wanted to fight. They were asked to stand by because it is a p. C. Brett, i would point to the 60000. 00 african soldiers that gave their lives and tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands who were injured in the line of duty. So questioning the bravery, questioning the will to fight, i think, is quite frankly, a dishonorable thing for the president to do. And clearly the white house, the administration are looking for. Who can we point the finger at . I think it is really frustrating for those of us who worked in those holes in the Situation Room to watch an administration that refuses to acknowledge the errors. Fine, we all understand Joe Biden wanted out of afghanistan, but there are, there are ways of doing it that dont create this kind of chaos, these kinds of consequences that have just been catastrophic. I think, let me ask you the same question. Sure question though, i just want to a clear yes or no. Are you saying that the u. S. Should remain in afghanistan . Obviously thats off the table. But is that what youre saying should have happened that the u. S. Should not be withdrawing. Right right 1st and then, but im sorry, pressed on. He brushed on a go for it. Tell me what do you think . I dont think youre seeing would make any difference or seeing in be right. Its not like the word come in and fight again and all that. Lets look at practical solution practical solution right now at the moment is legitimacy for the followed by the government. As the taliban government, that could be done without the usb. This could also have been that where everyone, every young person wants to run by the fact that theyre going to kill incidence back, going to cut it out, right . It wont be mean to, doesnt the 1st place to kill, right . So you have to understand the narrative that people have a more boost every time they are. We will be attacking those be. But i can show you the messages that i just got, where they have said that people work with the us. Lets burn them. I live next burn their house is on my right. This is the many days back. She felt good, right . You have to understand you are seeing was not a solution us. They could demising the taliban leveraging data. A so many to measure tim, i think that the audience that was the problem and now we can pressure them into not have using the p but all right, bret, i completely agree and i would just say that the us should have done this differently. We should have insured, and ive worked on political transitions across africa, ivory coast, liberia. Any where we handle this a heck of a lot better. Theres a way of doing this. It least would have given the african a military, the african government, a fighting chance. But you know, we quite literally, from one day to the next, abandoned back Room Air Base didnt even bother to leave the lights on or the generator they are. I mean, this was a reckless retreat. It is one that will go down in the street as a case study. And what about those and say, and, and, you know, im obviously not a foreign policy expert. But what about those who said there was no easy way to do this, because if you tip your hand that youre leaving, then that will, there is no way to not trigger chaos. What do you say to that . What i think we have plenty of examples of where we have, we have withdrawn and chaos at least chaos on this scale has not been suit. So the Bite Administration is trying to spin it, saying, you know, with a choice between a or b know there were plenty of options in between. I wrote it piece in us day to day this week suggesting that bite in hes a fire, hes national security advisor, re form the national Curity Process because it has found him and hes tell them not just on this issue on several, the refugee issue, the Border Issue dealings with cuba in israel. What we need to address going forward here is how are we going to contain some of the accesses of the taliban . And that is what i think the international community and especially the american administration, needs to look at. We need to look at how do we leverage Air Power . How do we leverage a military presence, perhaps an ongoing military presence on that Airfield Cobble to ensure that we are still relevant that the taliban feels our presence and feels the potential consequences. If they choose to go down the path where they were before throwing it back to the people right now, who want to leave afghanistan and push on, you made a really good point. Everybody doesnt necessarily want to leave afghanistan. Everybody shouldnt have to leave their home. But there are thousands of people that do want to leave. I want to play something from a fellow from the Truman Center for national policy, camille, math, were talking about the fact that there are still efforts being made to get people out of afghanistan. Lets listen to that. What afghans need to know is that right now we havent given up here in the United States. We are still fighting to push the bite in ministration as we have been for the last several months, post them to actuate as many people as possible and to honor our promise to as many africans as possible who worked and fight alongside us for the last 20 years and when they do arrive here in the United States, were working hard with our resettlement agencies to make sure that they have the resources that they need because they were really depleted during the previous administration. And were working hard to make sure that they have the resources that they will need to ensure a welcome and to have all of our allies start their new lives here in the u. S. When they get here. Thank you john. What is the calculation that somebody has to make to leave their country to go to a place they dont know where theres people, they dont know what. How do you decide to do that . I mean, like for once, lets say that lets get the fact where you have to make that calculation because all you, youve been coming for them and theyre taking that rick off leaving right and be like clean lead for tv. It can be anything thats running from the running the fact that the administration clean fun to do so much to get their people out there only trying to get people out of cobble. Theyre 30 c other for once this year. A lot of people in the school, in this work with institution who have been us, her life. What about those people . Where do they go . How to be free, right . All those questions are still in place and there is no answer for that. Its just and in a loses program for people in college who could access the ad on thursday, but all the 30 people and they are sim, abandoned people cannot be people cannot reach the work. And at the same time, you have to understand that the calculation of leaving and then at the same time, the practical Student Practicality of getting on back to this thing. And theyre not happening at the moment. A dire situation for many afghans hoping to flee the country of canada and as a story we will continue to watch closely and the coming weeks. That is our show for today. Thanks for watching. See you next time. Ah, from talk to al jazeera, we roam, did you want the un to take and who stopped you . We listen, you see the whole infrastructure and being totally destroyed. We meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter on out Sierra Trust is fundamental to all our relationships. We trust banks with our money doctors, without really personal information. What happens to truck in a world driven by algorithms as more and more decisions are made for us by these complex pieces of code . The question that comes back is inevitable. Can we trust algorithm . 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