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But next its inside story. To stay with me. The thousands of afghans have been scrambling at double airport to flee afghanistan and European Countries are worried about influx of the people at their border. So are they facing a Refugee Crisis . And what can be done to helP Those who fled their home . This is inside story. Ah, ah. Hello and welcome to the program. Im a hammer, jim, jim. Thousands of afghans had been trying to leave their country after the taliban take over. And thats raising concerns about a mass of refugees trying to enter europe and other countries. The taller bonds leaders have promised amnesty to former african army soldiers, as well as contractors and translators, who worked for international forces. Many of them are being evacuated by western capital that are taking staff out of afghanistan. And some governments have offered resettlement plans to thousands of african refugees, but others are not willing to accept them and are calling for tougher border controls. Theyre concerned about a repetition of the 2015 Refugee Crisis for the time being as a mentor. And some 1000 people in dirt board, but daily days or weeks a month to call me may be a matter of many more people that are close within to leave the Country And Graduate can reach us, but i dont think we had to present the problem from the Security Point of view for me to ship it to point of view of us confront maintenance for dont call that my us, the exile people. People who are flying to save their lives. Turkey is among the countries increasing their border security. Its just finished building a new wall, nearly 300 kilometers lonG On its eastern border with iran to prevent illegal crossings by people smugglers and mainly african migrants. But some afghans have already entered, matters that want to sign up on a sunday. Ive come from us kind of stand the situation and thats kind of fun with 10. The taliban captured the whole country, but there is no work that we were compelled to come here to my region wanting. Weve come from a canister and we want to go to europe. The situation is bad enough. Got to stop. The taliban has come there. They behead people. I mean there is no work and its going to stop. Were unfortunate poor and displaced by crossing the borders. We reached here my, the M O U n 8 agencies or warninG Of a humanitarian crisis and ive kind of stand and ive called on the taliban to allow them unhindered access to civilians. More than 550000 afghans have been internally displaced since the beginninG Of the year. The heads of you in an international age, groups of appeals for more humanitarian funding for the country, warning their 800000000. 00 short of whats needed. Ah. All right, lets brinG Our guests joining us on skype from cobble be lost or worry. An afghan journalist from geneva, shabby among to you in Refugee Agency Spokeswoman and from mexico city. Camille, that cause a Policy Analyst at the migration policy institute. A warm welcome to you all and thanks so much for joining us on inside story today. Shabby, let me start with you today the you, you and hcr has said repeatedly how concerned it is by the unfolding humanitarian crisis and janice. And 1st i want to ask you, what is the scope of the crisis currently . What does it look like . And also, there are a lot of people who are expressing concerns about a potential Refugee Crisis. But this is really more of a crisis that concerns internally displaced persons, right . Well, thank you. Mm hm. And that is indeed the clarification here. And what sort of happeninG On the ground since the beginninG Of the year . Weve seen a number of us gowns have been forcibly displaced inside afghanistan. So from the, from january till the present day, weve seen 550000 people who have been forced to flee the harms, and theyre all across the country. But they remain, weve been goinG On and they actually join another 2900000 people have previously been displaced within the country itself. So we are dealing with a massive internal Displacement Situation inside afghanistan. That requires a crucial humanitarian support. Many of those who have been forced to flee, they need shelter, they need health care, water, sanitation, basic assistance to enable them to set up and be able to best address their needs while they remain displaced. There is talk and lots of speculation about refugee flows across borders. But today weve really seen these in a much smaller Scale And Nothing compared to the magnitude of whats happening inside the country below. Let me ask you, just how dire is the humanitarian situation on the ground in afghanistan right now . Well, we definitely have a humanitarian crises in terms of people losing their livelihood. Their business is, you know, over the last many months of the fighting, people have been displaced in some numbers to cobble. But its also the fear in uncertainty that is prevalent among people, especially among those. A generation of ones will been working with western countries and international militaries. So when you look at the car, they enter nationally and, and you look at the chaos, the side to be the heartbreaks. You know, that alone tells you how wonder can people remain in the absence of whole or are better and more peaceful of water sun. I was able to confirm that a big number of people are now movinG Out of the city and going back to their own villages and valleys and districts. These are population one, royal one is from the countryside who had fled the fighting either in the last month or in the last year or so at least theres some hope there, but honest would need a lot to rebuild the destroyed and damaged countryside. When you talk about planning, roadside bombs from major highways, whether you talk about rebuilding the critical infrastructure, you know, bridges, other infrastructure that its vital to everyday life. And i would also add that it is and it was just for the taliban to make a transition from a Fighting Force into governance. We have to really remember the taliban are no more the shadow government. They control most of them. And they have brought in with them how themselves, what level soldiers were all known, fighting and war and financed bands valid and hamlets and then more parts of the country. And now here they are in cobble and a major urban, a city of 6000000 people with high crime Rate Pump to get his streets denied with an honest on, you know, is a country where i say, you know, the, lets see. Factor is a month because every hour, every other day, things are changing. Such a fast bass events are unfolding that it is hard to make sense of it easily. Can mail. It seems like there is this narrative that is starting to take hold, that there will be this Mass Exodus of african refugees that are trying to get to europe. And it also seems like there are a lot of European Politicians who are really in a panic about this right now. Is there any evidence to support this contention . This idea that you are going to see a Mass Influx of afghans to europe, similar to what you saw in 2015 thanks. I think its really too early to say. And as a reminder that you represent the chief, what were seeing now on the ground is different. Its primarily the internal displacement. I think we should also remind ourselves that most refugees are likely to seek shelter in the closest country in iran. Part of been at they have strictly the route to europe is dangerous and as weve seen in the past few days, its been closure troubled at the border with turkey iran pocket. So i would be really careful on this figures on crossing night is for sure something that youre get neat money. Sure. And that they need to prepare for. They need to prepare an adequate response. And i think thats where, how we manage any potential crisis at your can border, can the difference. And i think we have this experience from to a 1516 that weve learned from and that we have non national iso image and fees. That of Increase Order operational capacity not to say this is perfect, thats far from the keys. Reception in particular, remain a weak spot in the system. The will need to be addressed. But i think we need like, thats what the discussion should be about. Can we my oldest scenario possible in the next few months . And i think below referred to the uncertainty of the middle class. Most many of them are in their home and theyre deciding what to do. And so your pin should prefer for different things that could happen in the next few months. All right, lets take a step back for a moment to delve into this particular question. Are afghans really heading to europe in large numbers . Authorities and turkey said more than 27000 african migrants have been intercepted so far this year as they cross the border with iran. Its a route commonly used to smuggle afghans to europe. But only 3200. 00 are estimated to have crossed. You borders in the 1st half of this year. Thats a decrease more than 40 percent compared to the previous year. With the, with when years increasingly being used as a route by african refugees. The government is accusing bella was pushing asylum seekers across the border. At least 85 percent of african refugees lived in countries that neighbor Africana Stand like Iran And Pakistan shall be let me ask you. You and she has released a non Return Advisory for afghanistan, calling for a bar on force returns of afghan nationals. What is the level of concern for those who might be forced to return . What could happen to them was in light of the unfolding humanitarian emergency in the country and the protection issues. And the concerns that were seeing. The critical thing is that if people are trying to flee in search of safety and protection, borders should remain open to them. They must be able to access, Access Asylum and whether that is in neighboring countries or elsewhere. This is critical. Refugees have a right to Access Asylum to seek safety to be protected. So this is our overwhelming concern. But the other issue is that if there are any considerations of returninG Or possibly returninG Of gone nationals back to have gone on. We really urging against that in life of the situation and the protection risks and issues that they could face. And so we have issues this advisory basically asking, requesting, urging that be suspended at least until the security human rights and overall situation improved. But this is, this is one aspect, but the 2nd aspect is also ensuring that we are support the humanitarian response for the people inside have gone on for the people that are possibly displaced and not require support for assistance programs, but also Protection Support and not really has to be sustained through these are group of women concerns the to the situation in the country and for those that are may have needs and may try to leave michelle, let me just follow up with you real quick. Obviously another concern is going to be unhindered access for the you in you and hcr. Other agencies, are you getting that unhindered access that you need right now . Well, weve been present enough, gone on for decades as have many other humanitarian partners. And weve been responding to the needs on the ground. Its the people of us going to some those that have been affected by conflict that are displaced, that do we need our Iris Response and our support. The commitment is to be able to continue that. As of today were still there, we are responding, were working with partners. But obviously our assistance is predicated on having the guarantees of Safety And Security for our staff, for our partners, and also the access to local community. So based on the 2 key issues, and we are continually engaging and working to ensure that we have that access. But we are there on the ground since the beginninG Of the year. Weve been able to do humanitarian assessments for full 100000 people. And ive gone on and also provide assistance to a quarter of a 1000000 people. So these programs and work is ongoing. And thats where our commitment is below shelby. I was talking about the concern for afghans who might be forced by other countries to return right now to afghanistan. Let me ask you, how dangerous could it be for afghans who would be forced to come back to afghanistan right now . Well, this is one of the dilemmas that like over the last many years, these western embassies, especially european embassies, cobble of faith, which was simply not true. And until a week or so ago when the situation like really bought worse. And it was an imminent danger. And the wrong problem, city that different ation stop. I would say one of them is not safe. One is not a country where people see a whole future, especially economically or get about, you know, the security for a minute. Since what has happened over the last few days of taken over the entire country. And it is that no denial on the part of these countries really recognize the Problem Situation at the same time. Theres a lot of politics involved in this as well. You have gotten government at the time under mister asher. Why . He continued lashinG Out these refugees, very publicly saying that they had broken the social contract that the situation was good to hear. And he was very supportive of such support ations because he thought that would strengthen his position with European Countries in terms of funding. But the harsh reality, you know, is that if these people do come back, you know, they, and they dont see any economic future here. Be. This is a country where, you know, grievances and range and retributions. Youve another vintage district level, you know, put costs your life. So, you know, im very sympathetic to people who have left for a better life when the country is simply not saved and the environment is not conducive. And i think the politics of government, especially here, really undermine that, that basic human rights for those are one specially on very, very vulnerable communities. Camille, i saw you nodding along to some of the belie was saying there. So i want to see if you want to jump in, but i also want to ask you from your vantage point, how are evacuations going for afghans who worked for europe and organizations and who had been targeted by the taliban . Yes, some. So maybe to point on best. The 1st one is the african government asked for a moratorium on deportation for 3 months. And we had this letter on the 5th of august from 6 human buffeted, asking the European Commission to engage in discussion with capital to continue to continue this return. So here i think i still, i say its highly pulse though. Its been both sides by certain you remember state, and its been a bit of a concerning some of whether European Government can reach common front on this question. Be it from region to off danny stone, but also the response to the crisis more broadly. And so thats, thats what the return us for the back ration. So several countries are trying to evaporate up, going to the risk this involved often who work a translator for your kin for him, for days who work for in G O for indices several countries of all. Ive also said that they will open it to other african at risk of being individually targeted be the Journalist Artist or their activist. But selecting people has been extremely challenging in the past days. And even the one who get on a list to be created based obstacles, you go to the airport given high Quality Creation you. And then theyre the one who are nodding capital, who are in the provinces. And im concerned that these people are not going to be able to be evacuated at least not in the next week or below. You know, camille just mentioned something very interesting point, which is the fact that even those who may have been cleared to be evacuated or, or get visas, its very difficult for many of them to actually get to the city to get to the airport. Correct. I mean, this is, this is very dangerous terrain for them, right . Ive been speaking to a number of people here in cobble and in few other cities. This is exactly the concern. The journey is not, you know, less than 152030 minutes for many directions in the city problem, especially these days that you dont have the use of traffic jams. It is the security is the taliban of a checkpoint, leading uP To the airport. It is the massive crowd of hundreds of people united States Risk of p, for example, killing a young doctor for a family. It is the risk of being thought that by the american forces and by the former one Intelligence Service special forces. Busy unit that is now working with the americans to secure the parameters there. So it is indeed a heartbreaking reality. Its friday and i would say, you know, it is, you know, a chain of events for 4 or 5 days which has continued to result in the dead, an injury of one. But its also tortured. You might, you know, i want people of families, the rest of the world is just simply in shop. When you see ones are playinG On us Air Force Play and then fell. I dont know where they manage to hide themselves. But as the plane was taking love, you know, there are objects that were 1st, luggage later on. I witnesses accounts and i feel about those who are human beings instantly getting killed. I think this mission started at the 11th hour and to get out 1215000 american citizens along to the airport would be a massive challenge. You know, forget about the generation of 5 was working with the americans, with European Countries. There are different resettlement schemes and plans. This is also one of the most capital generation is the most educated generation is the most invested generation of ones you know, who are going to be burying their dreams and aspirations are forced to leave. And now this reputation and fear, although the taliban as continuously said publicly that they do not engage in Retribution And Target killing and given such assurances, but some human rights activists that ive been speaking to of call for. What do you say should be a humanitarian part of a proper process under which these people can safely be evacuated . And they said, artificial timelines. You know what this Evacuation Plan is also sending software because when i was here that in the real time, you know this will be all. Busy in 4 weeks time its scary, isnt it . What is next . We have been abandoned. Weve been betrayed by our allies. And we have been badly bad in the form of government when the president abruptly fled the country. Shabby. Ive heard you and many of your colleagues on several occasions express deep concern for women and girls, and ive counted them because of the situation and the impact that it has had on them. Let me ask you what kind of trauma have they faced . Have they been through what kind of toll is this takinG On that population . Well, weve seen this here. The majority of those who have been forced to flee the harms. They are women and children. We have statistics showing that 80 percent of those that were just placed in recent weeks. They were women and children services. This is a huge humanitarian concern. When you have so many, especially children, i think they comprise perhaps 60 percent of those who have been displaced. And so the real consent to making sure that we can meet their needs. And many of them may have health needs that may, that may need to be taken care of, may have gone through traumatic situations or, or have trauma needs that need urgent attention. And then there are obviously, although the dynamics things have changed so rapidly, we are trying to keeP Track on developments. But obviously overwhelming concern is for the situation of people affected by, by the situation and for women and children. And to make sure that they, they have their, their basic needs met, that they are protected there. Obviously lots of human rights concerns and considerations. So thats why its really important for humanitarian actors who are on the ground to, to stay there, to engage, to advocate for these protections and for these fund a mental right. And thats why the evacuation just one part of the response. Now were not involved with those evacuations. They are arrangements that are organized between the governments of the countries concerned and the people have a scanner done, but they are not arrangements that involve us. We are a refugee and humanitarian agency, but we are there. And we also have the same question that valuation is going to benefit a limited number of people, but they cant over shudder and they are not a substitute for the rest of the humanitarian response. So thats why its crucial that we need support for the humanitarian situation in the country to respond and to be able to helP The africans who, who all bear and dont have the Luxury Or Liberty or the opportunity to be able to, to take that protection elsewhere. So that, thats why or to goal to be able to respond to both needs on the ground. Camille, agencies, the you in other groups are trying to raise funds through the international community to help Africana Stan at such a critical time. We know that at this stage they are hundreds of millions of dollars short of where they need to be. Let me ask you, when it comes to the humanitarian response going forward, how much support do you expect may come from the i mean the, you just release a Statement Today committing to support, you know, the human response. I dont how much is still i think a bit of a question on yeah for everyone but, but if i can, i would want to compliment that because i also think as we are planning to monitor and response, which is obviously the top priority there also need to be some thinking about the mall, longer term response. And this is something that gentle, a miracle referred to actually in the past few days that, you know, one think that one mistake that was made in the, in the response to the Student Crisis would not provide sufficient support to the country and hosting the majority of syrian refugees, and we know that people flying uP To date will not return anytime soon. This is less than, you know, from the past crisis. Its christ that protect protracted, people can stay in excel for decatur. And so we need to plan with P T with national authorities in country like project than any route that these community to hold them if that are also vulnerable can receive the form of assistance. And, and i think here, for instance, you wanna share packets been in july, i was reporting that only half of their, you know, military and appeal, i had been address. So thats also something that we need to think about moving forward. All right, well we have run out of time, so were going to have to leave the conversation there today. Thank you so much. All of our guest ballasa worry, shall be amman, too. And camille, the cause and thank you to for watching. You can see the program again any time by visitinG Our website Al Jazeera Dot Com, and for further discussion, go to our Facebook Page at facebook Dot Com forward slash ha. Inside story. You can also join the conversation on twitter. Our handle is at a inside story for me, how much room and a whole team here, bye for now. 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