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So to stay with us on counting the cost of focus on nigeria to recessions and for years growing and security and unemployment, oil companies packing up and leaving even the threat of piracy in the gulf of getting just what nigeria need to do to confront multiple challenges counting the cost on al jazeera, the us Term Start sets and these are gonna stop by the middle of september. But what about the afghans who assisted them during 20 years of war . The thousands of translators and interpreters have a future in america, or continue to live under the threats of the caliber inside stores. Ah, ah, hello everyone, im kim l santa maria, for nearly 2 decades. Thousands of afghans have risked their lives to work with us troops in what became americas longest war. But that war is coming to an end, at least from a us perspective and its leaving goes. Afghans feeling more and more threatened by the prospect of taliban attacks. The u. S. Troop withdrawal approaches. Now president Joe Biden says those who have helped us will not be left behind. Interpreted drivers, cooks so many others. They have already been offered to apply for a special immigration visa, but approvals have been slow and a recent current of ours out right at the u. S. Embassy and campbell, and they delayed things further. When hes 18000 applicants with at least 50000 family members have been waiting for their documents to be processed. A will be relocated to a 3rd country on to live. These applications come through. That announcement was made by the white house on friday. We have identified a group of s i v, applicants, special immigrant visa applicants who have served as interpreters and translators, as well as other at risk category. To have assisted us, they will be relocated to a location outside of afghanistan. Before we complete our military draw down by september in order to complete the be the application process. So they will do it from another location. The additional details of that im just not going be able to speak to from here. But more than a 100 form or ask an interpretive who worked with us military forces, actually protested outside the american embassy in cobble on friday. As a many have been denied visas and cold on washington to get them out of the country. All the fallen through completely withdrawal from ive done this on and after that, if we target by thought of on, if we kill it, if we get or get kill it, its all about whos whos responsible for and so thats why we are again, were asking for justice again, we are raising our vice. Youre asking for our safety and protection. This is our right. Thats not the government give us visa to them because they dont charge us visa. True. Its clear that 100100 person we are dying. Any needs right now. David. Just want to tell us what we want to provide you. We dont want our kids are phone. All of this is happening after president biden pledge to withdraw the troops from afghanistan by september 11. The 20th anniversary of the attacks on New York and washington dc. And actually led to the war and ive kind of some button promised continued support for the nation as he met africa. Leaders of the white house recently ive got security forces are struggling with increased attacks by the taliban in recent weeks. In fact, it has taken territory in many parts of the country. Recently the taliban advance raising doubts about the sold piece talks aimed at ending at kinda sounds almost 20 year war. The seller introduce our guests for Todays Staffing in car bowl, with our zoo media, who used to be an interpreter for the us army in afghanistan. In washington d. C, as lawrence called former Assistant Secretary of defense now senior fellow at the center for american progress. And also in cobble is Victoria Fountain, whos a professor of peace studies at the American University of afghanistan. Thank you to all of you, Lawrence And Victoria. I hope you understand that ill put my 1st few questions to out there because i really want help us to understand what the job entails and get a real feel for what she has done over the past. What was it 5 years or tell us about the job . Tell us about how you got involved and what it and what it entails. Hello sir. At the 1st i would like to thank you for giving me this chance to talk about this. I v. Applications. I work for Youth Government for duty and doing projects are 5 years in afghan and to we are asking citizen who serve these missions and i get this done. And unfortunately, we are now left behind and live, show Thing Danger and dire me. I hope serves the and i hope for a farm sensitive untrusted activities for us government d, Mangum Assignment and which is still im waiting for my ivy and my 5 years under on been 3 years. Okay, well talk more about the Visa Status in a moment. Again, i want to get a little more idea about the job. Were you out on the front lines with, with, with forces where you just tell us about what you actually were doing. Or as much as you can tell us what you were doing with the, with the United States. Actually sir, and these projects snore earth from duty and us and devil are money. Duties which i, which are hot and which i perform during my employment. And the men demand responsibility for me was still dealing with the different ministries and dealing, dealing with the different provinces and with my supervisor to the front, she had to talk later an interface or beside this i was assigned to perform at finance. The Finance Work for the company and to during those times i had a really good achievement for the company. And besides this, on year 2017, i was awarded coworker early from the from this project from the United States of america. And it was, it was not easy, it was not easy for them without me to half all the cheese meant and i could do my job any better way. What are the accomplished as well done to you . One final question before i go on to our other guests, and thats just, you know, youre an interpreter, but there are so many other roles out there on their, their drivers and cooks. And so many people who, you know, can be in an office or they can be on the, on the front lines even it is a lot of responsibility and a lot of risk. Yeah, for sure, sir. As you know that its not easy enough. Again, its not at this situation that if the people, i mean the guns, so try to work with us. But we did this in a better way. It is not only for the interface, so its for those who who, who work along side and, and stand with the americans and help them to accomplish their Mission And Afghan is done. And they put their life actually in dressing. And right now, now theyre, most of them are not secure here as we see, alden use the dig in hand to murder by the telephone and other religious people. And especially the female. As you know that the deal against this, even the female work with the look of people, but like me, i work for and they are and they come government there. So it was not easy for us and still be feeling fear from taliban and other religious people. Ok or so ill come back to you shortly. I want to bring a lawrence called into our conversation now and just listening to receive their lawrence. It just made me think we really cant overstate the important that the role of the interpreter or any of these collaborators in the theater of war. And to be fair, even with all the problems that happening. The u. S. Is very much saying we know the importance here and we are acknowledging it. Well, theres no doubt about the fact that whatever weve accomplished militarily, we wouldnt have been able to do without these brave men and women the other as we would have had a lot more american casualties or not for them. So we as a country all down an awful lot, and weve got to help them deal with what comes after when the United States leaves that, that involves them wanting to come to the United States. We should make it as expeditious as possible. And its really frustrating, we should have been planning for this. Once we started the drop down, what have we been waiting for . And the drop down actually started back in 2011 when we began cutting a number of troops. That meant you needed less interpreters and less drivers and everything. We should have been trying to help those folks get to the United States if thats what they want to do. Absolutely. Right. Kinda preempted what i was going to ask you, but i will carry on with it because yeah, its the thing that people could be moved to to guam or to, to other goals countries in august it feels like such a rush and even then, well, who knows how long they would be in these 3rd countries while at thats, thats correct. And you know, we could do, we could send them, for example, to guam, which is an american territory and go through the whole, you know, processing stage while were there. But we had all kinds of, you know, inappropriate regulation. You know how to work for 2 years . No, it should be 2 minutes if you will work in the United States. And then we took us a while to give them special immigrant visas. We put them through the regular process which could take up to 5 year. So again, you know, and im old and i was in vietnam and i remember we didnt prepare for that one. So i gone, fell. We had all those people comment out on, on boats and stuff like that. We should have learned from that. Lets bring Victoria Fontenot our conversation, Victoria Thing you nodding along there. Im sure you want to respond to what weve heard. But something i would actually like to ask you as well, almost the opposite of what lauren said lawrence pointed out that these people have been brave and almost heroes really for the United States. The taliban, i guess doesnt just view them as collaborators, probably use them as traitors. Absolutely. And does anybody have issued a statement more than a month ago saying that they would not harm specifically the people who work for coalition forces and he repented. And so what does this mean and how is it going to be carried out . And i think that it streams dangerous issues such as statement occurred at the end of the day it indicates and it also indicates to the local between where do you read to me that the section fair again to talk at them and that they have a crime and so thats the certainly its concerning, a lot of people are not sure to work for the United States, but the entire coordination 40 just to build on something we talked about with lawrence as well. Just your thoughts on, on, on the, as i said, the rush, which is happening here to get this done. And whilst the United States very much trying to say no, were not forgetting people, were going to do this. Im going to do that. Clearly. Its an afterthought. Or looks like an afterthought, at least. Absolutely. The french have already evacuated more than a 100 of staff members and their families who are and what the friends and you know, to, to do the scene august. What is going to happen between now and august . They are short, mur coalition, again hampers was dying. The last one died 6 days ago, so they are being taught and then moving them to guam. Why exactly . When they are being and theyre going to expensive checks. I have a collaborator who left for the us embassy. You could euro for the security checks for her to be clear to work at the end. So why, why would they be per right as and why . And they have even so much they have been recruited alongside really so thats why not go directly to United States. Exactly, lawrence, just before i go back to ours, or it struck me that theres the 3rd countries involved. Now, guam, which is a u. S. Territory, but also these Gulf States which have been mentioned as well. And then the theories that they would go to the United States, would that even be guaranteed . This was a us led war, wasnt it . It was a nato war. So are other major countries in place . Well, we should guarantee and not just them, but they are families because you cant just take out the 18 to 20000 interpreters because the taliban will go after their families. And i just suggested guam not to leave them there permanently so we could get them out and then begin processing their applications and make sure that when they got to the United States, there would be somebody to be able to care for them. So central to Everything Weve talked about is the f i v. The special immigrate visa, which i think all 3 of you have mentioned are soon tell us about that. Youve applied for one, im sure what status is that for you now . Where are you at with your application . Thank you for your question, sir. After i completed the 2 years with the us government and my supervisor noticed that im facing the problem here. So lots of choice in my life, my life. So he gave me recommendation and as far later so i had to talk to the Company Package and i send it to far as i v, as well as the year 2017 which i am my father and my recommendation later, another decade today. And this i the email which is still my case is under review. They never asked for any documents. The last email i just received from them was just your case. Its under review. You have to wait for it. They can not tell us that the timeframe has always said there is the money off because and they cannot the exact time that when i would get the com approval. The main thing that im concerned about this if theres any documentation required why theyre not asking. I ask the money applicants also for years years under review, their cases under review at the end of the did they get denied. Been denied from the embassy. Why . Its just bothering why bother . So were going to cancel our kids or deny it, or if they need for any documentation, bishop us before our a supervisor, leave this country or we cannot get contact with them. Actually, i do have contact with my supervisor. But most of the applicants that have contact with their supervisor, and they are not able to get the Confirmation Email from them, like the Confirmation Mandation has. Many of them has all the confirmation, but the still do use its under review. Let me so ive been sorry, or if youve been waiting, i think you said 2017. You put in your application. So if youve been waiting 3 or 4 years for this, do you have any face but it will be completed in the next 2 month . I cannot, i cannot see that. It depends on the use decision, the use governments to think this. So you said the situation, you know, its really critical situation right now and no one can go into our lives. Now, if X Bater and i decrease the president by then administration, that they should take this to us at this patricia and, and this is an emergency of a question to guam or to another intermediate country. Because for right now, the main thing we are concerned about our security, our families, its not just only me extract collins of applicant besides this, all of the applicants have chosen. They have families. So who is they . Are this is sponsibility. Can anyone get into our lives . Actually we all know or can she can she does not do that and you have your witness and you guys can kind of go through social media and you can see that theres like lead to many do any translators and other people are getting killed day by day by the other religious people and was, is the thought on take over the government. Im sure these religious people would go to thought up on and if did it look nice if Someone Report against this, so definitely they will kill us. So before we die in this country, i use government should take this serious lawrence, what do you think hearing, you know, a personal direct story like that from obviously i know im not supposed to take sides in any of this, but it just sounds it doesnt sound right at all that this has been going on. Well, correct. I mean, just to hear the story should get people to galvanize center. Angus can king, who is an independent book caucuses. What the democrats says, my hair is on fire. When hearing these type of things, im a member of the american legion, we been pressing the congress to change the laws. So these people can get it more quickly. I think the biden administration and finally, waking up to the, the problem because when they talked about getting out of afghanistan by, you know, the anniversary of 911. They didnt get deal with this right away. They should have been dealing with it when they knew they were leaving victoria your reaction to what you heard from our is the there, there its it just, i mean, we know theres a huge problem here for so many people, but it really personalized. Its certainly for me then hearing about what shes going to and the fear that she has as well. Ive said what he does, and i think that, you know, one should always remember that there is no need to be a ration and no teeth and no Development Operation without the help of the national Staff And Everything that we have been doing for the past 20 years has been achieved, thanks to the national south and, and for from my perspective, i see that every day i hear this every day from many different areas over time. And i really think that the highlights are still the double standards that exist between international and nation of the south and, and far all those double sanders on materializing that particular type of case. And i really hope that legislators and that the white house is going to wake up the lease and, and change that situation because were talking about the south and people. And every day what im doing, i could not work without the national stuff. And they are really, are i really important not they, victoria, in researching for this discussion today, i looked at other countries which had had similar plans in place for example, the u. K. And this is what they said they would offer Priority Relocation to people. And this is a court assessed to be under serious threat of life. And i wonder if we could see a problem here with this us plan because if youre assessing the threat to someones life, that can be interpreted a different Ways Content and what ours, who feels as a threat to her life. You know, the other people may not the people making the decisions may not absolutely, and not just that, but he thinks science was says and who assess these and how many commissions and, and i think that its extremely subjective. And it should be bad, any worse than who decides to work for the Coordination And Stuff for the coordination should be given. Thats right. And not go through so much scrutiny, because again, it is the burden of the food on the person to actually say my life in danger and why and they shouldnt have to go through that. Lawrence, can you remind us what the us is saying about any prerequisites . Janitta you said there was a 2 year minimum, wasnt there was something like that. Well, 1st there was a 2 year minimum, then they change it to, to one year. And even that just artificial because if youve been working for 6 months or the u. S. The taliban is not going to say, oh, you didnt do it for a year, so well leave you alone. No, we should. Or you know, people are worried. Well, if you take a man, you might get a few people who dont deserve. Yeah, you can make mistakes. What by and large, youre going to do the right thing and thats why, you know, get them out, get them someplace. If you dont like one, then hit out to staten island, for example, or ellis island, and then go over it to make to make sure, but youve got to get them out. Thats the key thing. And its also been complicated by the Fact Youve got colbert. There and you know, theyre worried about that too. But again, what you need is the president to say must, just as i said, were getting out of time. Were going to let those people in and do it. Some of the other countries being mentioned, lawrence carter, bahrain, for example, here in the gulf. I mean what, what would they have to gain . Why would they want to get involved in this . Well, again, for humanitarian reasons, if they, you know, and if these people feel they would rather stay in the middle east and come to, you know, our country thousands of miles away. I think they should have that option. But the fact of the matter is, their 1st option, the option they can choose should be the United States if they want to do something. Now, why . But we got to let them have the option to come here with something to run down the clock. So well go back to our a mary and combo. Lets say i do that. This does happen that you get moved, even if it happens to guam or directly to the United States or wherever. What do you expect of your new life in the United States . What would, what do you want to do . Thank you sir. At the 1st, i hope and i wish that you said mr. Sean. This sir . Yes. And do this Emergency Equation directly to this big part goes who doesnt have any issue with their s ivys why . Why this to stay for a long time and guam or, and other country. And once i get my ve, i would, i would rather to work there and i would like to have, i would like my children to be able to continue the school. And i would like to continue working and surveying for the government beside this i can continue my Master Degree has i was not able due to Security Problem here in afghan this time to continue my education. But i hope that one day i would be able to finish it and do you know anyone . My do you know anyone are through any of your friends or colleagues who have been successful with their immigration and theyve managed to get through to the us . Yeah, i do. There is like my 2 friends there, living in virginia, one of them used to work for a w b. Now she got her. I think 2 years ago now shes working in that, i dont know and where, but she has a good job at the state and my another friend. Her, her husband used to work for the use military. And 8 years ago they went to the United States. They also living in virginia, they are happy and their kids are happy, their families happy. They dont feel fair from anything. So yeah, they have good life at the air. I will are one i have now they do ours. Are we all hope that this really does turn out well for you in the end . Im show Lawrence And Victoria do as well. Thank you so much for your time and your florence coleman, Victoria Fountain as well. Thank you so much and as ever thank you for watching. There was always more online either down to the Or Dot Com where all our previous additions live. I can catch up and then if you want facebook Dot Com forward Slash J inside story for more discussion there. And on twitter, the show is at a j inside story. Im at come all a j. If you want to drop me a line from the whole inside story team, thanks for joining us. Well see you again thing the oh, welcome to portal. Your gateway to the very best volunteers there. An online content that you may have met. 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