Opinion writer at the boston globe. Welcome both. Garrett, hit both big issues. Where are we with the latest on Infrastructure Talks and what are the realistic options on democrats on Voting Rights. Ill do the Voting Rights bill because it is short. There are no realistic options to move that bill through the United States senate. 50 republican votes opposed and even the usual moderate republican senators who side with democrats and other key issues like Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins spoke out against this bill yesterday. Republicans say its a federal takeover of elections and they dont like the changes that it makes at a federal level and things like voter i. D. Laws and the fcc, you name it. Theyre not for it unless democrats can find votes to get rid of the filibuster which we talked about ad nauseam and know they do not presently have, that bill goes nowhere. On infrastructure its a different story although with a similar refrain. The challenge there remains what it has always been. How do you pay for up to a trillion dollars of hard infrastructure that will satisfy republicans red line on not raising taxes on basically anyone and will satisfy the democratic red line to not do things like user fees, gas tax, fees for electric vehicles and so the groups that come together on what they want to spend money on, i think thats pretty much agreed to across the board and thats why weve seen the back and forth negotiations with the core leaders of the Bipartisan Group because democrats are pretty committed to this idea of two tracks. A bipartisan hard infrastructure bill and a democratonly grabbag of all these big legislative priorities, both being things that move in the senate in july and the calendar pages are turning on that, andrea . Indeed, the calendar, of course. Kim, lets talk about Voting Rights first. Weve seen restrictions pass in georgia and arizona. We see whats happening in texas. 43 states. More in july than texas now . How big a blow is this for democratic lawmakers running in these states and also across the country . Well, it is a major blow, and it also shows that for all the talk that has been about senator joe manchin and senator Krysten Sinema is Mitch Mcconnell and the Senate Minorities showing us he always has the ability to hold his conference together to stop democratic priorities and thats his number one job and hes showing it here. I think it also spells exactly as garrett pointed out when it to things like infrastructure that if infrastructure will pass with democrats in control, it will be in a way that only democrats can do it. Unfortunately with Voting Rights they cant do that with the filibuster in place and that is one place where it is within the Democratic Party to have control. I thought it was interesting, that op ed that senator sinema wrote yesterday last night said one thing they found very interesting which is that although we talk a lot about manchin and sinema, they are not the only ones that are perhaps, uneasy at the very least with eliminating the filibuster and theyre the ones that have the chutzpah to talk about it publicly. So perhaps the dissent there is deeper than we realize, but without changing that, that keeps the power in the hands of Mitch Mcconnell and just about anything else. Just a very quick followup to both of you, is it dead, dead, dead Voting Rights . Because schumer says its coming back. What do you say kimberly . Garrett . Yes, yes, yes, it is dead, dead, dead. This bill this bill is dead, dead, dead. All right. Garrett haake, kimberly atkins, thanks to both of you. Lets move over to the white house for a preview of the president s plan to reverse the deadly trend of gun violence in americas major cities. Nbcs Kelly Odonnell joins me now. What do we expect to hear this afternoon . This is an opportunity for the president to respond to what is happening in the country in many communities where theyve seen a spike in violence and crime, a concern to law enforcement, to those communities and setting some anxieties among the public in those places and it is also an opportunity for the president to continue part of his agenda dealing with how to address some of these issues so its a fivepart plan the president will outline in his speech this afternoon and it includes things that also put him in the thorny position of needing to take steps, but not wanting to interfere with other issues that are going on on capitol hill like the longtime bipartisan talks to try to have some police reform. So this is not an easy issue. There arent easy answers and it deals with gun violence. So you know politically how difficult that can be. Among the ideas the president s going to lay out is trying to use what federal powers he has with respect to licenses that Weapons Sellers have. If they violate rules to strip them of their licenses, a way to try to bring enforcement there. Also providing more resources to Police Departments and then supporting kind of communitybased interventions that have scientific basis to them. So trying to look for ways to improve safety in communities that would certainly appeal to the more Progressive Side of his party and not getting into the Defund Police movement that is in the idea and also talking about the Economic Issues of Summertime Employment to try to keep young people who might possibly get into trouble to give them constructive ways to spend their time and have money in their pocket. So this is a thorny set of issue, but an important one. It also, of course, has echos from thensenator biden and his involvement with a 1994 crime bill which had some pieces that were effective and others that have become a political sort of Ball And Chain for the president because they have not borne out over time. Today is a big moment for the president to continue this conversation and it comes with certain potential for moving forward and thorny problem, as well. To that last point, kelly, as you know very well, having covered him on the hill, it goes all of the way back to the 1994 crime bill, as you point out. The Assault Weapon Ban which he brought Dianne Feinstein which expired, of course, after ten years, but after newtown. He and president obama, a tearful president obama unable to do anything about the gun lobby. So for all the difficulties this was for him in the campaign, the downside, the upside is its very, very popular, background check, some of the other easy things that havent even been accomplished by president obama as you saw children, 20 kindergarten children killed. The record of comments and policy ideas goes back years and years and years on these issues that are at the heart of tragedy and also at the intersection of politics between the two parties and so for the president there is opportunity here, but it is always challenging because of the limits of what can get done without legislation. So that piece dealing with gun dealers is one of the ways the president can use the levers of the federal government without congress and some of the other ideas are support to communities and some of which will be very popular and theres also the response to the reality that many are seeing in their Home Communities and the spike in crime in many places across country. Kelly odonnell, thank you so much. Joining us for reaction to the white house and vermont independent senator and Budget Committee chairman bernie sanders. Its great to see you. Thank you very much for being with us. I want to start with infrastructure. It also should be accompanied by a larger, more progressive, and a much more expensive bill. Do you think the more moderate members in that caucus will go for that twostep approach . I do, andrea. Every american of the caucus and today we are living in a society with a very, very rich, phenomenally richer, jeff bezos is worth 200 billion. One person. Meanwhile, the Working Class of this country is struggling. Youve got 600,000 people who are homeless. You have parents who cannot afford child care and on top of all of that, we have to deal with the Climate Crisis which i think every scientist is telling us is going to be devastating for this country and the entire manet. We have to invest in transforming our Energy System away from fossil fuel to sustainable injure and injure efficiency. So we have an enormous amount of work to be done and at a time when the very rich and large corporations are often not paying anything or very little in taxes, theyll have to pay their fair share so that we can protect Working Families in this country and deal with climate change. Can we do it without a gas tax . A Fossil Fuel Tax that it has ruled out. Of course, we can. How do we do it . Is it just through the changes in the tax law and how do you make changes in the tax law and bring moderates along. If theres anybody in america that thinks it is a good idea that multibillionaires do not pay a nickel in federal income tax id love to hear from them. Is it okay that large, profitable corporations making billions a year in profit dont pay anything in taxes. What we need is a Progressive Tax System that says to the wealthy and large corporations pay their fair share. Well invest in roads and bridges and invest in the system and well invest in expanding medicare. Right now, unbelievably, you have medicare not covering dental care, vision or hearing aids and we have to do that, as well. All that im saying and i think the American People agree, after years and years and years about worrying about billionaires and the rich now theres a budget that speaks to the needs of families that we face. Thats what ill do. I want to ask you about Voting Rights, abrams opened voter i. D. And urging voters. Is it time to do something smaller and is there any way to get past the objection after Mitch Mcconnell . Chuck schumer made a point in yesterdays remarks. It is disgraceful and i dont mean to be overly partisan and it is disgraceful that we did not have one republican vote in helping us deal with the real they in states all over this country there is a concerted effort to deny africanamericans, lowincome people, young people the right to vote. Its going on all over this country. That is not what america is supposed to be about. We can disagree on education, on health care on any other damn thing you want to disagree with, but you cannot disagree about whether or not all americans have the right to vote and that right is being taken away from them. Thats what were trying to deal with right now. We have one republican vote. So to answer your question, in my view, should we end the filibuster on this issue . Absolutely. This is an enormously important issue. Democracy is the same. Remember, were dealing with a party where many of the leaders still are claiming in the most fraudulent manner that donald trump won the election. Thats the kind of outrageous activity were dealing with. We have to stand up to that. What do you do about the objection to ending the filibuster, manchin and sinema. Andrea, im tired of talking about mr. Manchin and miss sinema. The American People all over this country understand that now is the time to act and i will also tell you, we are constrained because we have 50 democrats and its whether the American People want us to have a government that believes in all people that believe in democracy or not and we need more democrats in the senate than we have right now. I want to ask you about another aspect of this. People have focused a lot on access to voting, but isnt it an even more important issue, the nullification of voting . The aspects of the local bills, state bills that have been pursued by Republican Legislatures that actually take the rights away from stateelected Voting Experts including some republicans. Arizona, georgia and gives it to carefully selected partisans who know nothing about the law and are going to nullify voting. And gives power to the legislature. We can see, i mean, you know, the writing is on the wall. Were seeing how the trump people behaved after the president ial election. I can see a situation where in a given state someone says, you know what . I have a problem. I have a real problem, i dont have any evidence, but i have the problem with the votes that came in in this country and well take away the responsiblity to determine whether the results of that election were legal or not and well transfer it to the legislature and by the way, the Republican Legislature votes to say that those that count was not proper and thats what were looking at. Taking away the power of local elected officials and theyve done a good job in that respect and given it to partisan legislatures. Is there a com proo promyself. A bipartisan compromise. Theres anything that might be okay with you . No. Theres no bipartisan. Look, you tell me, if you know any republican that is for Voting Rights there arent any. Thats the sad reality. You have a former president going around the country today saying he won the election by a landslide. You have candidates running all over the country that are touting that absurd position, and you do not have one republican in the United States senate who is prepared to vote to preserve American Democrat see and prevent these states from doing the terrible undemocratic things that they are doing. So no, unfortunately, and i say this with great sadness, this is not going to be bisart an. Unfortunately, democrats will have to do it by themselves. Can you get the white house to go along . I believe that the white house is deeply concerned about this issue and will do the right thing. I want to ask you about gun violence. As you know joe biden was criticized during the primary for some of the things that happened in the 94 bill. Are we at a point when there is some kind of gun gun reform, gun control, whatever you want to call it that can get through the senate . Once again, i think the question is whether republicans who are intimidated by donald trump, who are becoming a more and more frightened authoritarian party and have the courage to stand up to the nra and other gun lobby organizations. We do appoint, as i understand what youre saying and there is a growing consensus and not radical that people who have criminal backgrounds and people who have histories of violence should not own guns and we need thorough any strong gun background checks. We need to do away with the socalled Gun Show Loophole and the strong man provision. There are things that the overwhelming majority of the American People including gun owners agree with. The question is whether the republicans in the congress have the courage to support those positions. And before i let you go, senator, i do want to ask you about from the hill team on the cap and local state Tax Deductions and youll have to go through your committee. Would you support that . What i would support is the understanding that there are middleclass families in states where Property Taxes are very high and are paying a whole lot in state and local taxes, and i think we have to support them. On the other hand, if you have some billionaires who own a massive mansion, should they be able to write off their state and local taxes . No. It is not, and it makes it clear that very wealthy will pay their fair share. Our thanks to you, senator bernie sanders, the chairman of the senate Budget Committee. Thank you sir. A school says a Pennsylvania Cheerleader went on a social media rant. The first sentence of the indiana grandmother will be the first to learn her fate after being convicted for her role in the january 6th riots. This is Andrea Mitchell reports only on msnbc. When technology is easier to use. Barriers dont stand a chance. Thats why well stop at nothing to deliver our technology asaservice. 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