Half past the hour on aljazeera lets take you through the Headlines Israel carrying out repeated strikes on gaza hitting the Police Headquarters and government buildings reducing them from the rubble at least 53 palestinians have been killed and many more injured in displaced. From gaza the armed wing of the palestinian group hamas and its allied factions of also launch more than a 1000 rockets towns and cities deep into israeli territory been hit 5 civilians and a soldier were killed sorry for such as the latest from southern israel. The israeli prime minister himself has come out and confirmed what took place among those killed 6 senior commanders close israel says to the head of the Brigades Leader the military wing of hamas. Were killed and. Among them. Who is the Gaza City Commander it seems to have been an operation targeting those involved in intelligence and specifically in Rocket Production and while this is happening theres a parallel crisis in israels mixed palestinian israeli towns and neighborhoods israeli government has declared a state of emergency in the City Of lead. Anywhere around a 3rd of the population of 77000. 00 are palestinian israelis a palestinian man was shot dead a synagogue and dozens of vehicles were set on fire the mayor of late has likened it to a civil war. And a bit of Coronavirus News from india which has recorded its worst day yet for covert debts more than 4200 of them the number of new infections is also up again after falling for 2 days its at just over 348000 experts say the actual numbers are massively underreported so thats a lot for today thank you for your company more news they join finnegan in half an hour. We understand the difference is armed similarities have cultures across the world. 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Hey welcome to the Show Today Welcome to the stream im josh rushing im sitting in for me ok and today were talking about global Vaccine Inequality i want to show you a chart of my laptop to give you a real sense of the story here so do it pretty quickly you can look at North America this is for people who are the share of people who have received at least one dose a covert vaccine by May 10th so in North America you look about a 3rd of the population in europe a quarter of the Population South America 13 percent and heres where our story is going to rest Today And Asia 4. 6 Percent And Africa 1 point one percent now before we jump into it i want to show you another thing were going to go to youtube check this out were live on you tube at this moment and see that chad over there on there on the right we have a live producer waiting to get your comments to me so i can share in the show when in fact well start with one heres one from. Day let me say it loud millions of people will die if you dont wave the patents so basically making the argument that the patents of the bottleneck stopping people from getting the vaccine will see if thats the case or not today if you look at the world right now whats happened look over the 19 is raging in india where theres 22000000 cases theyre approaching a quarter 1000000 dead southern india has gone on full lock down but the rest of the country has yet to go on full lockdown were going to discuss whats happening the vaccines in india and where cope it hasnt really hit hard yet and thats in subsaharan africa and theyre screaming for the back scenes there but they cannot get to the had a line and thats going to come up into this question as well in fact let me go ahead and bring in our guests who are joining us all the way from london to bangalore will begin with you know it can you introduce yourself. My names dr. Kay chair of the african delivery african union that seemed in the felines thank you very much for having me you already thank you for joining us for us from london want to know your choice from Duke University can you tell us a bit about yourself. And krishna by kamar and my doctor and i serve as the director of the new global Health Innovation Center where were trying to study and to advocate per stronger global Access And Equity provaccine global stronger asks us in equity for vaccines we should put up front your center does receive funding from pharmaceutical companies in the us is that right it does we work with the public in the private sector including firms in the pharmaceutical sector the Gates Foundation the u. S. Government they receive funding from Pfizer Johnson and johnson. We receive funding from Astra Zeneca and from by their in the by their foundation but we dont do any work thats related to their Vaccine Development or rollout ok great thank you personally and i can tell us a bit about yourself. So the problem i live in bangkok but i could get into a project i recollect which works for access to medicines in India Brazil and South Africa and ive been doing this actually for 18 years and then this in start of the bad i mean ive been looking on increasing access to Corona Virus Excellence will give us a sense of what its like in india right now or is bangalore a big thing that are on lockdown so 500 meters from my house we actually have a contingent of military police who are standing guard at an intersection in traffic usually buses which now it doesnt because there isnt any traffic going on full of locked out weve actually been on lockdown for the last 2 weeks and we would be indefinitely and thats because actually bangalore has the highest slowed in the country it is actually 200. And what your access to vaccines like there. Well personally i could give you an example from last week i had to find 2nd to do for my parents who had to give the 1st those that Astra Zeneca vaccine about it weeks ago. I spent 8 hours on the road on the phone with dreams of different hospital public health centers to find a center that would allow my 87 year of and my 72 year old mother to get their 2nd dose in a situation where they wouldnt have to wait for more than 2 or 3 hours in the event we found one at 4 pm in the evening after trying all morning and they waited 2 hours and they get home at about 7 oclock. With their 2nd toes last week im going to bring in our what audience here we have a. Tweet from motion or who says that this is this is a response to the stream tweeted out are you worried about covert Vaccine Inequality in your Country And Motion says this is specifically true for india which is hardest hit for vaccination needs to be enrolled and happen which most indians dont have access to its a model which is most discriminatory and biased against the less privileged and role and they said to do with your Family Role than the app. You know this is a hilarious story but i have a Love Hate Relationship with the indian government which over the last 7 years has been actually purely hate and that it has recently extended to the apt that they created when my parents 1st daughters i spent a grand total of about 48 hours maybe constantly on this app to get them a vaccine of white men at an appointed time when i was assured that there wouldnt be huge crowds and of course my parents foolishly went on that appointed appointed day to the hospital to be taught like you man because you know of course we give out all of x. Endorsers at 9 am in the morning to the 1st people who came here to get vaccines this app doesnt work and so im going to the next went back at 9 am in the morning without registering on any app whatsoever to get that vaccine and got it like everybody else is doing regardless of the you know somewhat astonishing technological advances our government is putting out so its an incredible mess in fact there are actually software actors who are not working on the new version of the app to set up scripts that run in the background over 48 hours to find an appointment for them because what india has done is weve opened up vaccinations to 945000000 people this is everybody about the age of 18 with its stock of vaccines that are in the region of about 100000000 right so just imagine this youve opened up vaccinations to the extent of needing about 1900000000. 00 of vaccines with about 100000000. 00 doses on Hand Q the confusion. Is the haul around Vaccine Equity that you are bringing out yeah sorry just to jump in at number one is this how are they talking about in africa were talking about the fact that it is ridiculous that parts of the world have no vaccines that you know. You have 87 year olds who are waiting 8 hours in line to try to get a vaccine and there are some parts of the world that are literally either hoarding them or standing in line at a blocking places in Line India of course produces vaccines and this is a combination of factors but in africa it india has seen 4 point one percent vaccinated and you know youre hearing that that theres 100000000 doses and 80900000000 people waiting in line thats seen equity as the problem is the issue of our time we cant were not going to end this pandemic until you know. Parents can get back some aged until you know my uncles and aunties and and other people can get vaccinated in africa we have a global crisis on our hand and youre listening to somebody from a vaccine producing nation i mean it is just im so sorry for what youre going through in india im so sorry my heart breaks it keeps me awake at night when i see these images of literally funeral pyres that literally signify the what a world of fire where the fire is it is it is it is inhumane that the World And World leaders wouldnt be jumping to attention to do everything they can in this moment to ensure that we have vaccines to everybody who needs them as quickly as possible and as equitable amount in a manner as possible President Mine last week supported the idea of temporarily opening up the patents would that help with that get more vaccines to more people. Yeah 1st. My heart goes out to people in india and lots of different parts of the world that are really suffering at the moment and we do absolutely as has been said need to worry about equity as the Guiding Principle by which we think about allocating distributing and administering vaccines around the world. We need to think about this from a different time horizons in the short term what we need to do today is make sure that the doses that are coming off the Production Lines are distributed in a much more equitable manner you can be that they almost all go to high income countries and we have to wait for some of them to be donated in a Charity Model to get to low and middle income countries we have to figure out how to make that work better secondly weve got to figure out how to get rid of the barriers we have to ramp up manufacturing production as much as we possibly can over the next 3 to 6 months that means looking at every facility we have now bringing up new Production Lines getting rid of barriers like wrong gradients and and materials and seeing if we can get more of the doses manufactured and then 3rd we have to get to a more distributed model of Vaccine Manufacturing globally india has traditionally been the workhorse of manufacturing and we thought that that Model Isnt Fit for purpose in the midst of a pandemic right now in the us manufacturing 70. 00 to 80000000. 00 doses of vaccine a month which isnt enough just to meet domestic needs much less the needs of the rest of the world so weve got to look at other parts of Asia Africa Latin america especially to invest now in building up capacity even if it takes 6212218 months to come online my worry about the ip wavers is that right now its a distraction in the long term i think its a positive indication that the u. S. Is taking this very seriously want to play a Leadership Role and is willing to invest and partner with others around the world unfortunate. An Ip Waiver even if granted today wouldnt increase the amount of money and wouldnt increase the number of doses in the next 3 to 6 months that doesnt mean we shouldnt do it i just hope we dont get distracted by that and forget to do all the other urgent things that are still needed there you know to jump in there are still acting on it max yet sorry i mean i have to say absolutely disagree that vaccine waivers are distraction right now i think the distraction is trying to move us away from that scene wavers because what that scene wavers do in this moment is that it shows that were grabbing the opportunity within this crisis with both hands we are at a disadvantage in the low and middle income countries of the world because for instance let me use africa we have we have 25. 00 we use 25 percent of the worlds vaccines produced globally in any given year we produce one percent of those vaccines 99 percent we import we have seen that when a crisis like this comes you said that the Vaccine Manufacturing is not that the purpose i would argue that the entire global Health Infrastructure that we have at the moment is shown not to be fit for purpose it isnt just delivering for you in the u. S. It isnt delivering for the u. K. It isnt delivering for india and it isnt delivering for africa if yes it is not a quick Fix Way doesnt a quick fix in this moment right now but waivers if we if we get them in place and if we get the Technology Transfer and we get the know how put in place then what it will show is that this this Virus Isnt going away weve got another year another sadly another 2 years perhaps so we can prepare its about preparedness its about being ready for that next thing that is that is coming our way so i disagree that vaccines are just. Destruction i think theyre absolutely critical and i think the signal that has been made by the u. S. Is very welcome and we call for the rest of the world to do the same i dont have to chew you. I want to i want to make 2 proof points here and the 1st is that about a month ago a colleague of mine in Amec County who heads m. S. s operations in india and i wrote a piece in the guardian about the way in which the indian crisis was affecting the rest of the poor world so 92. 00 countries in the world about half the Worlds Population depends upon vaccines that are produced at one company in one countries the serum is jude in india now those vaccines were treating as indias vaccines but they were never indias vaccines they were contracted up to 50 to 60 percent of those vaccines to go to countries like nigeria who instead of getting the doses that they were contracted to receive and promised to receive last year their seed flee enough to back a little less than one percent of their populations this is countries like ghana countries like nigeria and if they were lucky to get any vaccine doses out of from the kovacs to salute the which is this consortiuM Run by the World Health Organization and Garvey And Seppi now this is a huge letdown there are countries other other countries like pakistan who didnt get any doses by the way so the indian crisis where were essentially usurping vaccines that were not meant for us to be used for us is creating this situation where its not satisfying the indian need and it is letting down the other countries who have even less vaccines than us and who depended on this supply in order to get through this Crisis Right but the 2nd quick point that i want to make is that the vaccine they didnt waver biden has signaled his support for is the start of a marathon the Vaccine Recipe needs to be shared with the world we need to create as many opportunities for people to produce these vaccines as possible because we need them in the billions now the recipe consists of doing gradients the 1st ingredient other legal rights to make the vaccine loses the data its that were proud to have now was also right in saying that its not all the way because the 2nd Degree View it is the Technology Think of it as a manual to make the Vaccine Right that needs to be shared as. Well so we no need to pressure the bulls to complete the trip so we have a process as well as to get the seconding reeded coming to us which is the manual to make these vaccines so its absolutely a step in the right direction but i cautioned its the 1st Step and we dont have time to run a marathon i want to bring in a someone from our community here Derek Lowe is a Drug Discovery Researcher and he sent us this Video Comment i think its crucial that we vaccinate as much of the world as possible as quickly as we can but i dont think that patents are really the Bottleneck Modernity has opened up theirs and there havent been any takers yet thats because the real bottlenecks are expertise supplies of key ingredients a lot of technology thats very hard to replicate if you havent done it yourself so its already scaling up in North America and Europe And India and china i think thats the place to put the effort in the biggest scale factories which are already being enlisted. So actual terrorists and its our style that jump in here for us i dont really have to do this because its like that i mean bursting with information to give you death so this is this is something thats been repeated and youll hear this a Lot D if you open our foreign affairs youll see an Article Today on this if you open up the Wall Street Journal and youll see an article by a Board Member of pfizer saying this is vaccines are complex not this is the sort of praise that is now giving me i was actually i mean it literally makes me break out into higher prices and so i apologize for being so excited but im in the middle of and i really you know its become so personal love that i cant be rational about this but let me just give you this example that modern iowa said that they would not enforce their beatons on their vaccine during the pandemic but guess what but theyre not doesnt actually know not their bait and so one of the bit ins in the modern or vaccine is owned by the national institutes of health and i it has been licensed it by the n. H. S. In the United States another bit it was developed at the university of Pennsylvania License to a biotech company who then for the license to do more dana and to find out more then i cannot give away its breed and even if its one wanted want im sorry to say so the only way that this is possible is by a Blanket Weaver that suspends pharmaceutical monopolies in intellectual property in the pandemic in order to get that clutch of intellectual property rights around this vaccine otherwise youre going to go one by one case by case and my god if you tried that the legal really you would be spending the next couple of years trying to untangle that mess right it is it is absurd but the 2nd point i want to make is that Derek Lowe is talking about the M R in a technology which is a revolutionary platform that pfizer and what it used with great success its had great results so far but you know the interesting thing about it is you know their story is that because its a new technology its more complex and no one can make it ive been in conversation and we wrote a piece about this in the atlantic last week with my colleague Chelsea Clinton where we are. To get past that exist the m. R. Need maxines do not use biology the group of voters Costa Rican good group says guess what theyre easier to me and because of that guess what there are potentially 250 plus companies in india who make injectable pharmaceuticals who are manufacturing units that are politically gave a bill to make an m. R. I. A new vaccine and possibly succeed not the ones that are going to but this is what it is so if you try to be honest ok so he or she were free for a while so chris would you go and im going to bring them some of our you tube comments before christmas sure i think we should separate sort of means from and so absolutely we need to get to a place where we have sustainable capacity in every part of the world to manufacture a vaccine without a doubt the means to get there im saying cant be one or the other right if to pursue an Ip Waiver is i think a perfectly reasonable strategy but it does not solve our problems in the next 6 or 9 or 12 months what we also have to do in the meantime is to make sure that the doses that are rolling off the Production Line now get distributed more equitably and we have to be able to ramp up short Term Manufacturing in the court but still it needs that are able to ramp up which means solving all the Supply Chain challenges and we have to figure out and i personally think that a accelerated way to building that capacity is through voluntary transfer of technology of licenses of capacity building human capital so that it does become sustainable and figure out how we can keep it financially sustainable so that we dont just ramp it all up and have to ramp it all back down in the next 2 or 3 years so i think we all want to achieve the same ends and that Ip Waiver is certainly a signal of political will doesnt actually get us closer today. You know they have a couple of you tube comments im going to throw your way so you can respond someones from anton says we shouldnt blame governments for thinking about their Citizens 1st and the 2nd is from grave peril why should the pads be lifted what stops anyone from inventing their own vaccine. Well those mean those interesting comments the 1st one about late not blaming governments nobodys saying that governments shouldnt think about their own Citizens 1st but what were saying is that it is that the enlightened Self Interest of all global citizens and indeed all governments of the world to ensure that this virus is stopped in all countries because as is just telling us about the healthy Living Hell that hes going through in india those variants the b 1617 variant that was 1st identified in india was identified yesterday by w. H. O. Named as a variant of concern what does that mean it is more transmissible it is potentially Market Antibody of a said i dont want to create any panic by it but by saying to me too much of that at the moment but small saudis are showing that there are problems with this very and it is why there is such a raging fire right now if we dont stop it across the world it marches on so it is selfdefeating to end because of it in the u. S. Or in the u. K. Because it will just come back again it will come back stronger it will come back with different variants i mean this is a laymans explanation of of why governments need to think of the whole world and then why cant people just invent their own that is also i mean yes fine were all about Innovation And Creativity but the issue here is that were in a global pandemic you know this is a once in a 100 Year Event which demands a once in 100 Year Level of global Corporation And Solidarity nobody was expecting this nobody was waiting for this and class people didnt just invent their own governments the government of the u. K. The government took germany the government of the us put a lot of money and other countries but a lot of money into the Research And Development of these vaccines so someone didnt just wake up go into their kitchen and use a Recipe Analogy you know throw a few things together and go woo ive got a great taxi no this is been years in the making with a lot of investment therefore there is a global good and a real argument to be made that if we dont stop it all over the world we. All in peril and the wild right now is not perilous state i want to ask you about africa whats happening typically in subsaharan africa it seems of cove it has not surged there yet but ive heard its a matter of when not if it is that the case and what is the access to vaccines in those countries. I think as far as africa goes i would i would hesitate to say that it has not hit yet i think this is what we were saying about india just a few months ago and i think theres been a theres been a lack of data we dont know its ive been quoted as saying its a hidden endemic we dont know exactly whats going on you know we have a lack of diagnostics so we dont have the testing that is of available in d many countries you hear of pockets of people dying pockets of people sick and so i mean i think its seeding at the moment and im very very concerned in fact terrified that were waiting and waiting the India Scenario were hearing reports now from the seychelles of really serious outbreaks even though they actually have have had quite a few vaccinations were hearing reports from sudan of health systems beginning to collapse and people you know desperately searching for oxygen so that is beginning to show you those are the indicators that are showing you that africa is creeping up to where india is now a quick point of Data India and you know i stand to be corrected has vaccinated about 200000000. 00 plus people out of about 1400000000. 00 Population Africa has vaccinated less than 818000000. 00 people for 1200000000. 00 population so that shows you where we are and where we stand in terms of who has vaccines and who doesnt and where the need is right now there are no vaccines in view for africa for the next few months i can say that without fear of contradiction because india needs to look after her own support her own citizens yes and of course they have a fire burning and you have to put out your own fire before you go off obviously and try and put out of this but where are the rich countries of the world who are hoarding vaccines where are the the u. K. s and the us and the e. U. Is doing quite a bit of their fair share we need exactly what krishna said we need the rich countries of the world to have vaccines to share and to share vaccines now it is not a Waiver Or Sharing Issue Talk is a both look every last 30 seconds from bangor to the world what he had the sack. To pick up what you do said into pick up a question i said look we need the us to act immediately the short Term Solution devised to do that you dont want you dont like Astra Zeneca give it to us well take it right the long Term Solution from factories near Term Solution force companies you funded to share their technology with manufacturers who can begin and use it you know this is not funny anyone that this is sick whats happening in india is we need to do happen to every vaccinated society whether its in subsaharan Africa Or Southeast asia and if we dont act we have to explain that to our children and i have grandchildren and i would love to see what they have to say that thats it for today thank you so much more see you next time im on the story and. 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Hello im adrian for the get this is that heres a live from doha coming up in the next 60 minutes israeli strikes kill top hamas commanders and ongoing attacks on the besieged territory of gaza. Grief and anger as palestinians hold funerals 56 people including including children are killed