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minister has resigned eyewitnesses say when the oxygen ran out they were forced to do c.p.r. on their own family members. my father and mother in the groan of our solutions on inside the hospital and i was by coincidence inside when suddenly the oxygen was cut and we our stuff they said we ran out of oxygen and that they were waiting for an oxygen truck to resupply the hospital we received assistance from the civil defense some of them were inside the hospital and they provided oxygen cylinders and they started to resuscitate patients among them my parents. sri lanka's government is banning full face coverings and closing more than a 1000 islamic schools on national security grounds critics argue it's the latest measure by the government to marginalize the muslim minority in afghanistan a car bomb in herald province has killed at least 8 people and injured dozens others a hospital spokesman says the explosion made on friday night destroyed several nearby homes local officials have blamed the taliban but there's been no claim of responsibility bolivia's former interim president has been arrested after allegations of a coup against her predecessor evo morales she's facing charges of terrorism sedition and conspiracy i missed took over as interim leader when maracas fed bolivia and 2019 party members accused her and her former cabinet of the overthrow of moranis which she denies and a vigil to honor a murdered british woman has been cancelled because of coronavirus restrictions a police officer has been charged with kidnapping and killing sour ever odds the 33 year old disappeared as she walked home on march the 3rd the killing has ignited an international conversation about women safety those are the headlines up front is up next there is no channel that covers world news like we do as a roaming correspondent i am constantly on the go to covering topics politics to conflict is to environmental issues scale of this conflict like nothing you've ever seen that's not what we want to know how did these things that people we revisit places in the state even when they're no international headline. al-jazeera really invests in that and that's a privilege as a journalist. she's a swedish youth activist who dares to take on world leaders to act on climate change but is there still time i'll ask nobel peace prize nominee credit and. marc lamont hill also on the show in just a handful of years the far right conspiracy theory has moved beyond online chat rooms in the u.s. and into the mainstream with elements even entering the hallways of power and now it's gotten even bigger with followers in brazil germany japan and the u.k. will discuss how to cope with global in this week's arena but 1st her message to global leaders and governments is simple listen to the science and treat climate change like the crisis it is but few are listening so what's next i'll ask this week's headliner activist credits on. going to unberth thank you so much for joining us thank you for having 2 years ago you famously addressed world leaders about climate change you said i want you to panic i want you to feel the fear that i feel every day it's now 2021 and quite frankly very little has been done few if any government seem to be panicking how does it make you feel. well i mean 1st of all when i say i want them to panic at that's of course a metaphor i don't want them to literally panic that would be very useful but by panic i mean i want them to. act with the urgency and to realize that this is and make essential crisis and they are obviously not doing that but i hadn't expected that either so our concept i'm disappointed because as long as the crisis is not treat us a crisis among us we're not communicating this crisis as a crisis of course the response will be a crisis response what are they not getting what are world leaders or governments missing well just just basically any sign any sense of urgency and. i mean of course it's varies from from one person to another but it seems like overall we are sort of getting the timeframe very wrong we are talking about targets like 20302040 or 2050 when we need targets for now the missions need to start reducing right now because it's today that the carbon budget is being used up and just the fact that that sense of time is lacking basically says it all you talk about awareness being key to affecting more action but let's be honest world leaders have known what's at stake for a long time they've known about the dangers of climate change for decades the u.s. government is known about it since the seventy's they haven't done anything because the same for companies like exxon they have ignored it largely in pursuit of profit so it seems to me that awareness isn't enough is it. of course not you need to i mean we can't we can hammer people with with facts so we can say like this is how our carbon dioxide budget looks like and this is. how much natural habitat we have lost and this is how much the planet is warm and so on. and of course that's necessary yes and that's not being communicated enough in the media but we cannot just do that we need to communicate that in a way that's also sends a signal that this is a crisis if i for instance were to tell you that the our house is on fire this is the next essential crisis and we must take action now and then just go on living like before not doing any things but specific just talking about these things that doesn't send the signal that something is wrong humans are social animals we copy each other's behavior if no one is acting as if we were in a crisis then then of course that we will not feel that completion that we are in a crisis so we need to tell the facts yes bread awareness but also do it in a way that signals that this is a crisis this is doing it in a way that signals this is a crisis for some that means disruptive direct action similar to what groups like extinction rebellion have done is that the solution are we at the stage where that's the kind of response we need. i mean as long as reaction doesn't do more harm than good i would say that's any actions welcome we are not we we are right now at a stage where we cannot sort of talk about like going to be better than stop flying and i compare having this discussion of what's better than right now we have to do everything that we possibly can and that's that is possible from our own. circumstances and situations let's talk a little bit about flying you of course have led the charge against flying to reduce the negative impact of airplanes on the environment you have even lead by example traveling to cover it is by sea instead of air but ultimately are not people following your leave even in the middle of a pandemic we see people jet setting but many people find global travel in particular airplanes to be 2nd nature it's how the world operates is it realistic to expect to have make any kind of dent in air travel is it is it a worthwhile fight even. of course not of course it's not realistic for people to to reduce their flights and to stop flying because let's face it the climate crisis doesn't exist in the public debate and and i'm not telling people to stop flying i'm not telling people to fly less so it's funny that that is something that people make up for themselves i have never told anyone that's flying that people shouldn't be flying that's just something that's i don't fly myself and then people think that i'm the one telling people not to fly because they feel guilty themselves because i don't fly. and i didn't say look across the atlantic ocean to reduce my carbon footprint. that would be quite pathetic actually but i did it of course to to start debates and to send a signal like i told earlier that something is wrong that we are in a crisis and that something drastic needs to change and to also show that it is impossible to live sustainable today good if you were not exact i'd be counterproductive in some way that if if you took a measure that some see as so unrealistic that they become dismissive of climate change activists if they say look they're asking us to do any reasonable things there's no point in me even engaging this conversation did you have any concern about that. i mean you can see it in different ways my eyes as he my role is to highlight the dissonance between what we are saying and what we are doing in between and. what what needs to be done and some say that it's since nothing is happening this is just so hopeless. but i think it's the opposite we are right now at a point where it's so clear that nothing's happening it's so obvious that you cannot deny it anymore a few years ago you could say yeah but but many people are doing something but right now the science is so crystal clear and the picture is getting clearer and clearer that you cannot anymore deny that that we are actually ignoring this crisis and that i think is hopeful so that's what i'm trying to do to sort of the gap is widening by the minutes and what i am doing is try to highlights and visualize that gap in the one place where you have certainly been effective is at home you've influenced your own your own mother she was a celebrated upper singer who actually stopped touring because of the flying involved most people can't of it's their parents of anything how did you do it and how can other teenagers follow your lead it really make an impact in their immediate surroundings but i mean i in the beginning i don't think i mean well i know that she didn't do it for the climate sake because i mean. to be frank she didn't care about the environment well the climate just like everyone else seems to but i started caring and i started to feel bad because i saw everything that was happening and that made me depressed that i know many others are also feeling and then she saw that when she did something to sort of even if it was just recycling or something that made me happy and sort of they saw that i started feeling better when they started to do things and then there i sort of. i kept i was really annoying i must say. just keep showing graphs like reports this is how much you impact the impact of a.b.a. shamisen this is how much this and that and then i sort of made a stop flying and then she saw how how happy that made me and i guess that meant more to her than her career which is. you know you mention that she saw you depressed you know some people throw that word around but you literally went into a deep depression after being introduced to this issue but at the age of 11 you simply couldn't understand how the issue could be so clear and yet the world didn't seem to care very much about it you've done lots of work since then you have literally helped to change the national and international conversation on climate change and yet there's still so much in action there's still so many people who don't care there's so many people who don't respond the way you'd like to hire you deal with that now at the emotional level you still struggle with depression around this issue you know i mean when you start doing things that's the antidote for for depression because then you you don't have time to feel depressed anymore but i mean you cannot just allow yourself to feel depressed or to just think about everything negative in the world you just have to live it i mean if you're doing everything you can you just have to live in the moment and realize that ok i'm doing everything i can there's nothing more i can do and then you just have to be happy so you know that's what i'm doing and. the media has some kind of them or people have some kind of misconception they think that i and other teenagers are scared and angry and at least for me and for the people i know that's not the case i mean we are. because we feel very motivated by the activism this is what's what makes us feel. it gives us a meaning in life and meaning in life makes you happy let's pivot a little bit because i'd like to talk about some of the the the far what some call the fast solutions around climate change market based solutions like cap and trade which set a cap on emissions from big industries but then allows companies to buy and sell carbon permits to pollute but many believe that the market mechanisms are solutions touted by industry ultimately just benefit the market in a war to meet lee help the planet. it makes many of us wonder if big money if money interests have co-opted the movement can we do real environmental work against the backdrop of capitalism i mean that's the for me to say it may be possible may not be possible i think that should not be our focus i mean we are discussing like can we have green growth and we are so obsessed with that conversation and maybe we can maybe we cannot i mean i don't care to be honest i just want a number but let's police draw down just a little bit on the question of big money have money the interest co-opt the movement that sort of an objective question that we can look at to decide how we can save the planet. of course there's so much lobbyist and going on that it's an 11 months and they are trying to to to to profit from this and to sort of greenwash. greenwashing is a huge problem so we have that it's a huge problems as we are know it's the industrialized world that has contributed so greatly to the degradation of the environment through decades and decades of unsustainable practices what do you say to people in the developing world who say it's our turn to develop in the same ways as these other countries did. i mean that's true that's so true and i have nothing to argue against that and that's just puts that just puts more even more responsibility to us in this part of the world to actually need because we have we built our welfare by building infrastructure and by doing so emitting carbon dioxide and who are we to tell people in developing countries that you cannot have the same you cannot live as we are doing the paris agreement will never work in the aspect of equity is not at the heart of the way we re address this and is there any danger in by taking that approach that we let developing countries completely off the hook and they engage in practices that are not only unsustainable but also also the compromise the bigger picture goal of reversing course of course there's there are risks in everything but a retort about. china or lots and india i mean how can we expect countries like that to actually to take action if it really in this part of the world don't do don't lead the way which we have actually signed up to do in the paris agreement negotiations have taken place for decades. and the past agreements were some kind of compromise to make sure that was like the thing that they they came up with some in but of course that's far from ideal as well it's because it talk about things that are far from ideal i think about the global response to you from some of your critics in your activism as angered some pretty powerful people world leaders like former u.s. president trump russian president vladimir putin of course brazilian president thabo scenario who went so far as even call you a brat i mean you've had insults and abuse her older way what does it say to you though that fully grown adults who are supposed to be statesmen seem to be threatened by you and resort to personal attacks. it said it's very funny it's a great entertainment i tell. you it's. it's as if they way they seriously stink that that would be motivate us i mean that just fuels us even more because that that shows that we really are having an impact and that we are making change so. that is having the opposite effect there's never hurt though i mean the i know sometimes we frame these things is purely political and we say we don't take them personally but we're people i mean is it is it ever challenging when these powerful people are hurling such vitriol at you i mean not really because i can't distance myself from that. but as an autistic person i don't like when when when people are telling lies i want everything to be correct i cannot lie so it's quite sad like sometimes in knowing when people's spread conspiracy theories but also that's also very fun but it's like. when people take like quotes from me and and make them for things like i never said that i've never done that that makes like just because it's morally wrong for people to do that you should not lie but yeah that's another thing i guess before you go what do you say to people who say return big should stay. in their activist lane for climate change only use because speaking out about free speech in india you said that alexina valmy should be released in russia you seem be wading into other waters now and some people say just focus on climate activism would you say to those people. well i didn't i never engage in politics i never speak up about politics obama i mean i really try not to speak up about politics but some things are beyond politics like basic fundamental human rights it's just it's the only right thing to do i mean if you don't some things you cannot be silent about simply that thank you so much for joining me. thank you so. a conspiracy based online cult based on worshipping an anonymous leader known as q extreme reverence for former us president donald trump and i believe that the world is being run by a global trafficking network that drinks the blood of children if you live in the u.s. you probably know i'm talking about cuba 9 a moment which has grown throughout the country in recent years and had many followers involved in the january 6th insurrection at the u.s. capitol aimed at keeping trump in power but you are not has also gained traction across the globe from japan to brazil germany and the united kingdom followers of the cult continue to spread conspiracies and this information beyond u.s. politics so what is it about cuban and that has allowed it to take root overseas to help us answer this question we're joined by melanie smith the head of analysis africa where she studies online social movements and dissent from asian and miro dietrich who monitors right wing populism and extremism in germany thank you both for joining me in the arena melanie i'm going to start with you kumin our supporters thought there in the final days of donald trump's presidency that he would declare martial law that his political opponents like joe biden be carried out in handcuffs that it would be a great awakening now you'll be shocked to know that none of that happened instead of the many of his supporters were deep platform day after january 6th. how do they make sense of all of that this gap between the grand predictions and what's actually happening in real life i think there's a lot of confusion and there's a lot of disappointment. from cuban and supporters and also from leaders in the movement he really thought that this prophecy was going to come true that donald trump would be reelected and the democrats were led to guantanamo bay in handcuffs obviously none of that has happened so we're kind of seeing now is the cuban are trying to reconstitute itself around a different set of conspiracy theories rely more heavily on theories that. well within the movement before but don't necessarily revolve around him is there a sense from you that what's happening overseas in terms of how this is played out post january 6th is different in how it's played out the united states in terms of how they make sense of it or how they are how they're responding to it i think they can on communities that we've seen spreading out in places outside of the u.s. are less tied to political outcomes curan on communities in places like japan or less reliant on that politically the communities that we've seen spring up in european countries are very closely tied to 1000 conspiracies and this information and obviously that hasn't come to an end just yet miral talk to me about the german context i mean germany has the largest community of non english speaking cuban on supporters and some are estimating this number at over 200000. we definitely the beginning their. most important and had to present but it was really slow but until last march we thought a huge explosion so the biggest platform for cure not in germany had a gram and the biggest journal had 20000 subscribers in now the biggest janitor up to 160000 people following them so that's a very pandemic focus but. turned off the u.s. election it really focused on president and it was really interesting to the. broader product spectrum kept talking about issues in germany. make that happen in germany really the main topic of focus on election and how good the election works . i think what's fascinating to me and what i'm frankly struggling to understand fully is how mainstream this is in germany you've got engler merkel's centrist christian democrats union in power for over 15 years with the far right a.s.d. the alternative for germany party fairly fringe levels of popularity in polls and elections i guess my question is is that changing and what are the conditions in germany that have allowed these kinds of movements to grow. i think what we've seen in this park with you on ahmed there at the level of prostration and the ration because if you are only way forward if you only way according to the way she is the one time transformative event from the outside it pollutes pretty clearly tells you about how what you think you can do on your own for think 'd i think of a lot of corporation in their community are your lark in the fire at the inn in germany military i'm curious about all the cool in our world in japan where i believe there's an almost worshiping of tribes former national security adviser general michael flynn and a belief slim gave former japanese prime minister shinzo are being all the information required to unravel the deep state in the united states i don't mean to market it's just genuinely shocking to me. how this kind of ideology plays out please explain this to me how this happens i'm not sure i can explain it fully but i can kind of describe some of those theories and there's a faction of japanese support for q. and on the ins mary closely tied to general michael flynn it's to do with his time as a national security advisor and the kind of role that he played between the japanese and u.s. governments at the time. flynn was kind of crimes to become this intermediary between the 2 governments and the conspiracy theory kind of goes that there was a diplomatic meeting where you're right there was information supposedly exchanged between flame and shins our way. and that. is resignation actually came in the wake of that meeting after a kind of diplomatic summit between the 2 countries so there is that belief for some of the japanese cumin on community but not necessarily all of it. so i know that there are some distinguishing characteristics in each place but is there a thread that cuts across all of these contexts whether it's a set of conditions a set of vulnerabilities that allows these types of beliefs in general to take hold . chuck i think at its core it's an anti government conspiracy theory an anti establishment conspiracy theory so there aren't necessarily any specific role of posies other than disenfranchisement and feeling like there's a lack of representation and a lack of your kind of true beliefs in government and. i think what we've seen particularly in europe is that cuban on conspiracy theories have really taken off in communities that already exist around anti government conspiracy theories political conspiracy theories in the u.k. it's been very closely tied to a big conspiracy theory about human trafficking but the overwhelming theme for me really is disenfranchisement and a lack of representation would you agree with that meryl i'm looking at brazil there's a very distinct pro-ball snarled flavor to their movement i'm thinking about france speaking about the u.k. is it just a kind of disposition against government are there other vulnerabilities we should rethink about are there other threads that cut across all of these places in your estimation i think what connects a lot of do you think the movement is not just q on on but. conspiracy ideologies is there a lot of people in this more and more fragmented world that have a real a lot of community they don't have to question who communities are on their society offered them so do you own communities or something they're looking for on the other hand a thing what really led to a lot of people right now is a sense of purpose they think they're missing a great narrative why are they living for and i think the use them call their conspiracy ideologies to help them they give them a decent mission fighting the international fight good to get you both in the world and i think it's relief that because. human want for communities and to human one quarter of a purpose i think it's a really good one and it's that that if people don't seem to get better off with from our societies right now they're. thank you both for joining me. and that's our show we will see you next week. talked to al jazeera. can you tell me what the government you represent is now illegitimate and we listen we do not sell the fence material any country the conflict in yemen we meet with the global news makers and talk about the stories that matter syria. said tis only a change because some people believe in a purpose that is bigger than their. run to make a political in my city around the state senate they put themselves out to make the changes that we. should have taken this to their new neighbors got to music. we have a disc culture to slosh and more to create new york areas we have to change this culture i am one of the fortunate ones who can leave and that is my love outside but all the people and the majority of these legal research talk about just good 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minister has resigned eyewitnesses say when the oxygen ran out they were forced to do c.p.r. on their own family members. my father and mother in the groan of our solutions on inside the hospital and i was by coincidence inside when suddenly the oxygen was cut and we our stuff they said we ran out of oxygen and that they were waiting for an oxygen truck to resupply the hospital we received assistance from the civil defense some of them were inside the hospital and they provided oxygen cylinders and they started to resuscitate patients among them my parents. sri lanka's government is banning full face coverings and closing more than a 1000 islamic schools on national security grounds critics argue it's the latest measure by the government to marginalize the muslim minority in afghanistan a car bomb in herald province has killed at least 8 people and injured dozens others a hospital spokesman says the explosion made on friday night destroyed several nearby homes local officials have blamed the taliban but there's been no claim of responsibility bolivia's former interim president has been arrested after allegations of a coup against her predecessor evo morales she's facing charges of terrorism sedition and conspiracy i missed took over as interim leader when maracas fed bolivia and 2019 party members accused her and her former cabinet of the overthrow of moranis which she denies and a vigil to honor a murdered british woman has been cancelled because of coronavirus restrictions a police officer has been charged with kidnapping and killing sour ever odds the 33 year old disappeared as she walked home on march the 3rd the killing has ignited an international conversation about women safety those are the headlines up front is up next there is no channel that covers world news like we do as a roaming correspondent i am constantly on the go to covering topics politics to conflict is to environmental issues scale of this conflict like nothing you've ever seen that's not what we want to know how did these things that people we revisit places in the state even when they're no international headline. al-jazeera really invests in that and that's a privilege as a journalist. she's a swedish youth activist who dares to take on world leaders to act on climate change but is there still time i'll ask nobel peace prize nominee credit and. marc lamont hill also on the show in just a handful of years the far right conspiracy theory has moved beyond online chat rooms in the u.s. and into the mainstream with elements even entering the hallways of power and now it's gotten even bigger with followers in brazil germany japan and the u.k. will discuss how to cope with global in this week's arena but 1st her message to global leaders and governments is simple listen to the science and treat climate change like the crisis it is but few are listening so what's next i'll ask this week's headliner activist credits on. going to unberth thank you so much for joining us thank you for having 2 years ago you famously addressed world leaders about climate change you said i want you to panic i want you to feel the fear that i feel every day it's now 2021 and quite frankly very little has been done few if any government seem to be panicking how does it make you feel. well i mean 1st of all when i say i want them to panic at that's of course a metaphor i don't want them to literally panic that would be very useful but by panic i mean i want them to. act with the urgency and to realize that this is and make essential crisis and they are obviously not doing that but i hadn't expected that either so our concept i'm disappointed because as long as the crisis is not treat us a crisis among us we're not communicating this crisis as a crisis of course the response will be a crisis response what are they not getting what are world leaders or governments missing well just just basically any sign any sense of urgency and. i mean of course it's varies from from one person to another but it seems like overall we are sort of getting the timeframe very wrong we are talking about targets like 20302040 or 2050 when we need targets for now the missions need to start reducing right now because it's today that the carbon budget is being used up and just the fact that that sense of time is lacking basically says it all you talk about awareness being key to affecting more action but let's be honest world leaders have known what's at stake for a long time they've known about the dangers of climate change for decades the u.s. government is known about it since the seventy's they haven't done anything because the same for companies like exxon they have ignored it largely in pursuit of profit so it seems to me that awareness isn't enough is it. of course not you need to i mean we can't we can hammer people with with facts so we can say like this is how our carbon dioxide budget looks like and this is. how much natural habitat we have lost and this is how much the planet is warm and so on. and of course that's necessary yes and that's not being communicated enough in the media but we cannot just do that we need to communicate that in a way that's also sends a signal that this is a crisis if i for instance were to tell you that the our house is on fire this is the next essential crisis and we must take action now and then just go on living like before not doing any things but specific just talking about these things that doesn't send the signal that something is wrong humans are social animals we copy each other's behavior if no one is acting as if we were in a crisis then then of course that we will not feel that completion that we are in a crisis so we need to tell the facts yes bread awareness but also do it in a way that signals that this is a crisis this is doing it in a way that signals this is a crisis for some that means disruptive direct action similar to what groups like extinction rebellion have done is that the solution are we at the stage where that's the kind of response we need. i mean as long as reaction doesn't do more harm than good i would say that's any actions welcome we are not we we are right now at a stage where we cannot sort of talk about like going to be better than stop flying and i compare having this discussion of what's better than right now we have to do everything that we possibly can and that's that is possible from our own. circumstances and situations let's talk a little bit about flying you of course have led the charge against flying to reduce the negative impact of airplanes on the environment you have even lead by example traveling to cover it is by sea instead of air but ultimately are not people following your leave even in the middle of a pandemic we see people jet setting but many people find global travel in particular airplanes to be 2nd nature it's how the world operates is it realistic to expect to have make any kind of dent in air travel is it is it a worthwhile fight even. of course not of course it's not realistic for people to to reduce their flights and to stop flying because let's face it the climate crisis doesn't exist in the public debate and and i'm not telling people to stop flying i'm not telling people to fly less so it's funny that that is something that people make up for themselves i have never told anyone that's flying that people shouldn't be flying that's just something that's i don't fly myself and then people think that i'm the one telling people not to fly because they feel guilty themselves because i don't fly. and i didn't say look across the atlantic ocean to reduce my carbon footprint. that would be quite pathetic actually but i did it of course to to start debates and to send a signal like i told earlier that something is wrong that we are in a crisis and that something drastic needs to change and to also show that it is impossible to live sustainable today good if you were not exact i'd be counterproductive in some way that if if you took a measure that some see as so unrealistic that they become dismissive of climate change activists if they say look they're asking us to do any reasonable things there's no point in me even engaging this conversation did you have any concern about that. i mean you can see it in different ways my eyes as he my role is to highlight the dissonance between what we are saying and what we are doing in between and. what what needs to be done and some say that it's since nothing is happening this is just so hopeless. but i think it's the opposite we are right now at a point where it's so clear that nothing's happening it's so obvious that you cannot deny it anymore a few years ago you could say yeah but but many people are doing something but right now the science is so crystal clear and the picture is getting clearer and clearer that you cannot anymore deny that that we are actually ignoring this crisis and that i think is hopeful so that's what i'm trying to do to sort of the gap is widening by the minutes and what i am doing is try to highlights and visualize that gap in the one place where you have certainly been effective is at home you've influenced your own your own mother she was a celebrated upper singer who actually stopped touring because of the flying involved most people can't of it's their parents of anything how did you do it and how can other teenagers follow your lead it really make an impact in their immediate surroundings but i mean i in the beginning i don't think i mean well i know that she didn't do it for the climate sake because i mean. to be frank she didn't care about the environment well the climate just like everyone else seems to but i started caring and i started to feel bad because i saw everything that was happening and that made me depressed that i know many others are also feeling and then she saw that when she did something to sort of even if it was just recycling or something that made me happy and sort of they saw that i started feeling better when they started to do things and then there i sort of. i kept i was really annoying i must say. just keep showing graphs like reports this is how much you impact the impact of a.b.a. shamisen this is how much this and that and then i sort of made a stop flying and then she saw how how happy that made me and i guess that meant more to her than her career which is. you know you mention that she saw you depressed you know some people throw that word around but you literally went into a deep depression after being introduced to this issue but at the age of 11 you simply couldn't understand how the issue could be so clear and yet the world didn't seem to care very much about it you've done lots of work since then you have literally helped to change the national and international conversation on climate change and yet there's still so much in action there's still so many people who don't care there's so many people who don't respond the way you'd like to hire you deal with that now at the emotional level you still struggle with depression around this issue you know i mean when you start doing things that's the antidote for for depression because then you you don't have time to feel depressed anymore but i mean you cannot just allow yourself to feel depressed or to just think about everything negative in the world you just have to live it i mean if you're doing everything you can you just have to live in the moment and realize that ok i'm doing everything i can there's nothing more i can do and then you just have to be happy so you know that's what i'm doing and. the media has some kind of them or people have some kind of misconception they think that i and other teenagers are scared and angry and at least for me and for the people i know that's not the case i mean we are. because we feel very motivated by the activism this is what's what makes us feel. it gives us a meaning in life and meaning in life makes you happy let's pivot a little bit because i'd like to talk about some of the the the far what some call the fast solutions around climate change market based solutions like cap and trade which set a cap on emissions from big industries but then allows companies to buy and sell carbon permits to pollute but many believe that the market mechanisms are solutions touted by industry ultimately just benefit the market in a war to meet lee help the planet. it makes many of us wonder if big money if money interests have co-opted the movement can we do real environmental work against the backdrop of capitalism i mean that's the for me to say it may be possible may not be possible i think that should not be our focus i mean we are discussing like can we have green growth and we are so obsessed with that conversation and maybe we can maybe we cannot i mean i don't care to be honest i just want a number but let's police draw down just a little bit on the question of big money have money the interest co-opt the movement that sort of an objective question that we can look at to decide how we can save the planet. of course there's so much lobbyist and going on that it's an 11 months and they are trying to to to to profit from this and to sort of greenwash. greenwashing is a huge problem so we have that it's a huge problems as we are know it's the industrialized world that has contributed so greatly to the degradation of the environment through decades and decades of unsustainable practices what do you say to people in the developing world who say it's our turn to develop in the same ways as these other countries did. i mean that's true that's so true and i have nothing to argue against that and that's just puts that just puts more even more responsibility to us in this part of the world to actually need because we have we built our welfare by building infrastructure and by doing so emitting carbon dioxide and who are we to tell people in developing countries that you cannot have the same you cannot live as we are doing the paris agreement will never work in the aspect of equity is not at the heart of the way we re address this and is there any danger in by taking that approach that we let developing countries completely off the hook and they engage in practices that are not only unsustainable but also also the compromise the bigger picture goal of reversing course of course there's there are risks in everything but a retort about. china or lots and india i mean how can we expect countries like that to actually to take action if it really in this part of the world don't do don't lead the way which we have actually signed up to do in the paris agreement negotiations have taken place for decades. and the past agreements were some kind of compromise to make sure that was like the thing that they they came up with some in but of course that's far from ideal as well it's because it talk about things that are far from ideal i think about the global response to you from some of your critics in your activism as angered some pretty powerful people world leaders like former u.s. president trump russian president vladimir putin of course brazilian president thabo scenario who went so far as even call you a brat i mean you've had insults and abuse her older way what does it say to you though that fully grown adults who are supposed to be statesmen seem to be threatened by you and resort to personal attacks. it said it's very funny it's a great entertainment i tell. you it's. it's as if they way they seriously stink that that would be motivate us i mean that just fuels us even more because that that shows that we really are having an impact and that we are making change so. that is having the opposite effect there's never hurt though i mean the i know sometimes we frame these things is purely political and we say we don't take them personally but we're people i mean is it is it ever challenging when these powerful people are hurling such vitriol at you i mean not really because i can't distance myself from that. but as an autistic person i don't like when when when people are telling lies i want everything to be correct i cannot lie so it's quite sad like sometimes in knowing when people's spread conspiracy theories but also that's also very fun but it's like. when people take like quotes from me and and make them for things like i never said that i've never done that that makes like just because it's morally wrong for people to do that you should not lie but yeah that's another thing i guess before you go what do you say to people who say return big should stay. in their activist lane for climate change only use because speaking out about free speech in india you said that alexina valmy should be released in russia you seem be wading into other waters now and some people say just focus on climate activism would you say to those people. well i didn't i never engage in politics i never speak up about politics obama i mean i really try not to speak up about politics but some things are beyond politics like basic fundamental human rights it's just it's the only right thing to do i mean if you don't some things you cannot be silent about simply that thank you so much for joining me. thank you so. a conspiracy based online cult based on worshipping an anonymous leader known as q extreme reverence for former us president donald trump and i believe that the world is being run by a global trafficking network that drinks the blood of children if you live in the u.s. you probably know i'm talking about cuba 9 a moment which has grown throughout the country in recent years and had many followers involved in the january 6th insurrection at the u.s. capitol aimed at keeping trump in power but you are not has also gained traction across the globe from japan to brazil germany and the united kingdom followers of the cult continue to spread conspiracies and this information beyond u.s. politics so what is it about cuban and that has allowed it to take root overseas to help us answer this question we're joined by melanie smith the head of analysis africa where she studies online social movements and dissent from asian and miro dietrich who monitors right wing populism and extremism in germany thank you both for joining me in the arena melanie i'm going to start with you kumin our supporters thought there in the final days of donald trump's presidency that he would declare martial law that his political opponents like joe biden be carried out in handcuffs that it would be a great awakening now you'll be shocked to know that none of that happened instead of the many of his supporters were deep platform day after january 6th. how do they make sense of all of that this gap between the grand predictions and what's actually happening in real life i think there's a lot of confusion and there's a lot of disappointment. from cuban and supporters and also from leaders in the movement he really thought that this prophecy was going to come true that donald trump would be reelected and the democrats were led to guantanamo bay in handcuffs obviously none of that has happened so we're kind of seeing now is the cuban are trying to reconstitute itself around a different set of conspiracy theories rely more heavily on theories that. well within the movement before but don't necessarily revolve around him is there a sense from you that what's happening overseas in terms of how this is played out post january 6th is different in how it's played out the united states in terms of how they make sense of it or how they are how they're responding to it i think they can on communities that we've seen spreading out in places outside of the u.s. are less tied to political outcomes curan on communities in places like japan or less reliant on that politically the communities that we've seen spring up in european countries are very closely tied to 1000 conspiracies and this information and obviously that hasn't come to an end just yet miral talk to me about the german context i mean germany has the largest community of non english speaking cuban on supporters and some are estimating this number at over 200000. we definitely the beginning their. most important and had to present but it was really slow but until last march we thought a huge explosion so the biggest platform for cure not in germany had a gram and the biggest journal had 20000 subscribers in now the biggest janitor up to 160000 people following them so that's a very pandemic focus but. turned off the u.s. election it really focused on president and it was really interesting to the. broader product spectrum kept talking about issues in germany. make that happen in germany really the main topic of focus on election and how good the election works . i think what's fascinating to me and what i'm frankly struggling to understand fully is how mainstream this is in germany you've got engler merkel's centrist christian democrats union in power for over 15 years with the far right a.s.d. the alternative for germany party fairly fringe levels of popularity in polls and elections i guess my question is is that changing and what are the conditions in germany that have allowed these kinds of movements to grow. i think what we've seen in this park with you on ahmed there at the level of prostration and the ration because if you are only way forward if you only way according to the way she is the one time transformative event from the outside it pollutes pretty clearly tells you about how what you think you can do on your own for think 'd i think of a lot of corporation in their community are your lark in the fire at the inn in germany military i'm curious about all the cool in our world in japan where i believe there's an almost worshiping of tribes former national security adviser general michael flynn and a belief slim gave former japanese prime minister shinzo are being all the information required to unravel the deep state in the united states i don't mean to market it's just genuinely shocking to me. how this kind of ideology plays out please explain this to me how this happens i'm not sure i can explain it fully but i can kind of describe some of those theories and there's a faction of japanese support for q. and on the ins mary closely tied to general michael flynn it's to do with his time as a national security advisor and the kind of role that he played between the japanese and u.s. governments at the time. flynn was kind of crimes to become this intermediary between the 2 governments and the conspiracy theory kind of goes that there was a diplomatic meeting where you're right there was information supposedly exchanged between flame and shins our way. and that. is resignation actually came in the wake of that meeting after a kind of diplomatic summit between the 2 countries so there is that belief for some of the japanese cumin on community but not necessarily all of it. so i know that there are some distinguishing characteristics in each place but is there a thread that cuts across all of these contexts whether it's a set of conditions a set of vulnerabilities that allows these types of beliefs in general to take hold . chuck i think at its core it's an anti government conspiracy theory an anti establishment conspiracy theory so there aren't necessarily any specific role of posies other than disenfranchisement and feeling like there's a lack of representation and a lack of your kind of true beliefs in government and. i think what we've seen particularly in europe is that cuban on conspiracy theories have really taken off in communities that already exist around anti government conspiracy theories political conspiracy theories in the u.k. it's been very closely tied to a big conspiracy theory about human trafficking but the overwhelming theme for me really is disenfranchisement and a lack of representation would you agree with that meryl i'm looking at brazil there's a very distinct pro-ball snarled flavor to their movement i'm thinking about france speaking about the u.k. is it just a kind of disposition against government are there other vulnerabilities we should rethink about are there other threads that cut across all of these places in your estimation i think what connects a lot of do you think the movement is not just q on on but. conspiracy ideologies is there a lot of people in this more and more fragmented world that have a real a lot of community they don't have to question who communities are on their society offered them so do you own communities or something they're looking for on the other hand a thing what really led to a lot of people right now is a sense of purpose they think they're missing a great narrative why are they living for and i think the use them call their conspiracy ideologies to help them they give them a decent mission fighting the international fight good to get you both in the world and i think it's relief that because. human want for communities and to human one quarter of a purpose i think it's a really good one and it's that that if people don't seem to get better off with from our societies right now they're. thank you both for joining me. and that's our show we will see you next week. talked to al jazeera. can you tell me what the government you represent is now illegitimate and we listen we do not sell the fence material any country the conflict in yemen we meet with the global news makers and talk about the stories that matter syria. said tis only a change because some people believe in a purpose that is bigger than their. run to make a political in my city around the state senate they put themselves out to make the changes that we. should have taken this to their new neighbors got to music. we have a disc culture to slosh and more to create new york areas we have to change this culture i am one of the fortunate ones who can leave and that is my love outside but all the people and the majority of these legal research talk about just good hardworking people that want to live the american dream like our ancestors these are him to refugees are terrified that they may be forced to return to myanmar. this is al-jazeera. over there on it like this is the news are live from doha coming up in the next 60 minutes at least 6 people are killed in the latest crackdown against anti cooper chester's an. editor with. in july not after a hospital loses its oxygen supply leaving 7 patients dead.

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