Theyre welcome to my home in Fairfax Virginia im josh rushing sitting in for the irreplaceable for me ok and this is the stream today were asking is to dan on the path to democracy still now look if youre watching this on you tube you see that box over there yes right there that is the live you tube chat help me out get in the conversation we have a producer in there thats going to get your comments or your questions to me and im going to try to get them in the show now let me catch you up on whats been happening in sudan were just over a year from omar bashir is government being toppled the new government set a goal of elections in 2022 years thats what everyones watching some of the problems as they were then lines along the way like establishing a Legislative Council but they are already missed those deadlines so concerns are rising particularly as the economy seems to be in dire shape which shortages of food fuel electricity and at play sion on the rise now new protests hit the streets just at the end of june take a look at those here. A lot and a lot of the demands we want to filter out the formation of a Legislative Council that can see the fight over the governments activities a 2nd demand is the chief of comprehensive and just peace and the 3rd is a civil state but not a lot about it. When your 3rd demand is a civil state its a sign there may be trouble theres been a whole set of laws that came out in the last week or cell that seem to liberalize things but other laws were cracking down and there have been conservative protests since then check out some as conservative voices not everyones happy about the new laws. So if i let enough what i would rather have we wont allow bars to reopen we wont allow prostitution again this people is a muslim people and this is the voice of the people to stop us all i mean it when i saw a gun i guess in sudan men women and children are honest im spiny chair we wont allow any interference and we wont allow any distortion of the laws of islam and today it is our duty to talk to the streets until the government falls through in you. And of course these challenges fall on the desk of Prime Minister abdullah doc heres what he had to say about it i think we have too many spectators of all to be able to but if you saw the everybody i expected from this if it were lucian get a year to go do it is a lie and while the Economic Reform Program you know so well. And politics has to be aligned is not an easy job so i went in on that getting it right in the Peace Process and this thing that it is should be but also like the rest of the wall as if we do not have enough talent is in order to lives we would have to have discovered 900. 00. And what seems to be the most recent news here is that omar bashir may actually face a new set of trials beginning as early as this week of course hes already but convicted once of corruption but this trial will be about the coup which he led in 1989 now to discuss all this and more were joined by an exciting panel of guests all from khartoum im going to ask them to introduce themselves but im going to begin with Al Jazeera English his own more going to have a hey how are you. Looks like there might be a delay there or her pictures frozen so were going to move on collude can you introduce yourself and tell us why youre here both i a managing director of a think tank here a team and we set up to help with the transition so thats 5 c. And government in order to be able to use the kind of manage its way its very short test function so its. Perfect thanks hey have a i just introduced it was Al Jazeera English is own and as you might there was a pause in the video in you can you tell us just a bit about where you are what youve been up to. While im in now whats on the catholics and ive been covering the series. The latest developments and social developments are happening here in stand and one of them obviously is the latest legal reforms and it is based around its very thank you about were joined by one further guess which is cobb but i think were having some issues with his signal for a moment so ill bring him in once we get a good signal from him and have him introduce themselves to you lets begin with some of those written legal reforms you were just talking about there have a lets start with the ones that are affecting the women in sudan is this a win for women. Well ive spoken to a lot of women at heart this and one thing i want to say to the social media reaction i relent and man also dont feel like yes thats this is a few steps towards what they want some people need one that theyve been awesome for but the fact that you know s. G. I. Has now been banned is something that they celebrate and the fact that women and mothers and problem with their kids without the permission of the father or rather by the presence of a father because its just pulled back around in the past a woman cannot travel with her own son regardless of the peace and without the father being there with him giving his own personal approval and signing off on a site that yes the mother compound was even going to ask for him to know one of the main requirements for having an identity or an official license if he had been a nationality idea and a 40 candles out love affair from the father now they can do that selfworth and thats thats a big step its what theyve been asking for and there are people who lost their children because they couldnt travel with their children their 6 children because the father has been getting off especially separated or divorced parents that its been very complicated and there were times where they have to go to judges and sometimes it gets front down so for them that is an improvement and thats Something Different often for 4 years. Can i ask you i print some analysts who are skeptical of these laws because theyre kind of all we want to donors in the west and the bill of back the privileged classes maybe in khartoum more than they will women across the rest of the country kate talk a bit about the. I think taken in the broader political context is another which for the challenge of Domestic National and much battle if you will and signaling a break away from the ism is a policy of the last 14 years and what this does come in response to the 30th of june told us that they want to kind of more responsive foster a level of reform and so you know there are very important gains to be had for example in the state Security Apparatus that the powers to torture that effects or can affect everybody criminalizing s. G. M. And laws that benefit women i would argue benefit the whole of society because its about what kind of society if you want to live in one that. You know has some level of injustice to anyone will surely have a knock on effect or injustice to every want to paraphrase. Multan if it cant so you know its apostasy laws which have been weaponized and used against political activists wherever they are and ending you know death the Death Penalty for. Sex relations as well and theyll be said to be mostly affected by that more precarious people such as these are people on the streets who have very few social defensive and public flogging is the kind of thing that takes place when the Morality Police but you know judge jury and executioner and i think limiting the states own powers to be able to oppress people in that way is a very important signal for the people of sudan that actually there is a break away from the oppressive Political Climate of the pos that he has caused 40 years because we have to remember that syria was brought in in 19836 years before the share of power so this is a longstanding issue is only now starting to be counted. For you there is no clear move. I would agree you into a conversation 1st begin because you mr round of bitter duction is by letting the audience know who you are weve talked about the new set of laws and we talk specifically about the ones affected women and some of the more liberal wising ones but i want to pose to you that not all the laws were quite liberalizing the new information law seems to be trying to crack down on maybe journalist and decision can you speak to that place. Ok they have an 0000 or by saying no laws. Say i was not parliament out there peoples opinion you know if i thought boy and opposition those are reform somebodys going to. Say that you got amendments that help or where i mean stick by the midst of justice but thoughtless about you know everybody. In the absence of violence. Invite all the. Laws and then come up with a condition. To be something that happened. By the laws i have. A lot of on my muslims so its all right for mums him to drink alcohol but theres a problem here because this clause is inconsistent with. The document as it mentioned that the rights and your decision are about because with our present citizenship without this and we mention. Race or religion. And so that now. This mystic is not sufficient or until now. About. What we mean when you say that you know is that there is not on there it would be sort of this knowledge state of assembly all parliaments of debate that are sharing agreement that was signed in the military and the protest movement right before that if we can and change will listen we need a very clear that in the absence of a parliament because it was suppose you dont read months after the start of the transitional period now in the absence of a parliament the council of ministers and the Supreme Council together make a parliaments and someone is appointed and i think you are saying that they think that there was an argument there was an arm and maybe its not clear representative because there are no Civil Societies there but it does fairly make up the parliament for the time being until one is actually formed which will be more expensive so youre here with me and i dont know if i want all. This also that you know the fact that when the syrian adults 1st came in in 1803 they were done by president ial decree by japanese american with dictator time and we didnt have such you know cries of lack of protocol at the time from certain quarters but if those quarters now who are crying foul because the laws are not in accordance with their wishes but what were seeing is that the number of people that are in favor of the goal of much more than the number who are who have come out possibly close to to criticize we also i think what about the last known think being a journalist and that is not what about the new information mass protests. It is a concern josh you know especially for me and the journalists i think the fact that you know anything that you say or write even on social media which is your personal thing thats a mystery after lots of use of the media that you were where you can be you can be outright so that you can be persecuted for that and i think that kind of a fact sweden wants each other a person as a journalist whether its acts of us whether its every day you know people on the streets now when they sit in a very careful about i dont think that was what was intended if you look at the broader the reforms and as a whole the fact that you know the platform a few steps forward i dont think the intention was of trying to stifle less freedom but these are going to be the side effects of having even on opening the ways for people to to to to to be able to say to you know to narrow down what they want to say in a because i will if im an ordinary person has to be very careful about what i tweet a very careful life or some place that being said you know it may be and which its quite down on you as they report it or on false information weve seen over the posse at once whether its on you know like political reforms are happening whether its on you know the fans and make war on a virus people will say misinformation so maybe the goal was to try to control that but then its like a double edged sword where youre going to have you know you control political false information that is flowing but you also settling on press freedom or rather freedom of expression because people will be able to express it easily even though weve seen it just in the last few days the military coming out and saying we are going to be a crime journalist and activist what they say even though theyre also have a come from so this is a side effect of that law. It were seeing some skepticism of the military in our you tube chat right now this is from Iskander Gabriel the military are still in power and using the protests as an excuse to wriggle elections i want to bring in a video comment from someone in our community this is david who is a professor at the university of nottingham we hear that now. Incidentally the question of what needs to be put in place in order to transition. By a number of. Measures. Civilian oversight and increase in civilian pretending all her the military knowing that the military is the fundamental stumbling block to the transition 2nd the importance to politicize the military and face them a trip back to the barracks in the thirtys also to decrease the footprint of the militia within the National Economy and also ensuring that you strengthen constitutional rule of law and strengthen Civil Liberties and broaden that. Human rights. So i think everyone is looking at that power sharing agreement that you were talking about here between the military and Civil Authority im wondering how is the balance of power there i know that in the protest in on june 30th they were saying that the military was in part it in charge of far too much to include some day to day Economic Issues that the military perhaps should be involved in. Yes indeed so the partial requirements that is going to be the 1000000000 will that Transitional Government which is basically the sovereign found so we test 6 civilians and 5 minutes every transition period is 39 months since you want to be led by the military its in by the civilians the 1st thing you want even when its very now and then 11. 00 that is supposed to be in charge of the city affairs is the executive by the foreign minister often the hutto whos a civilian and its also sort of a majority with the exception obviously of the head of least of the minister of interior who was obviously from the police and that the minister of defense was the chief of the military salute technically speaking as hes going for theyre the ones who are supposed to be in charge the reason why we saw protests offensive to him is the fact that people feel like the military some talk because they see that you know the head of the economic Emergency Economic Committee its been headed by you know the deputy at the stock went down is a military hes the head of a Paramilitary Force its for forces and on and on but you know so the fact that hes in charge of a full body that is dealing with the current economic crisis inflation of 140 percent theyre not happy about it that is the thing that civilians should be the one for the meeting this one piece outsider right like right now going on between us over on course and the government the Prime Minister when he was appointed and said you know for us all of my transition period is to bring peace but in general terms i dont know again its the Office Meeting that he has on his board and on for that theyre members of the Supreme Council and its very our own offensive in this discussion between now and the armed groups and and the Transitional Government so people are seeing that you know will also be government improving economy going to ease the military is right now taking the lead and theyre not. Going to get in our you tube audience again here clear them and toss this question to us from someone with my question for the panel is why are the new ministers making these amendments while they were voted in by the people yet i think this is a question of khatami to agree with the sentiment of continue response in a clue. Well i think i think its. I think i think the issue is that when people on happy with the congress or government they question it. When they are happy with what its doing they tend not to so theres a 7 element the bias that but i think this. Document made it very clear last year this government was going to have the full until such time as a government could be elected and its role as a Transitional Government is to put in place you know the exact wishes of the people what child thing but thats where their mandate comes from you know historically we havent had much luck with transitions it had even less luck with democrats democratic elections so you know neither of those is a guarantee that everyone will get what they want let me go back to the a good there i dont know and i think thats a true model that there was some level of you know democratic will be played out rather than one group being targeted. Because the democratic will were seeing happening here. Its not democratic but i think. Its loving the ground the the rights of the minority to be done im still blah blah blah d all right all international. Agreement was on 5 on. I think its its so good though its a good amendment. 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