We listen this is the moment to stop old military action this is the moment to concentrate on fighting over why didnt we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter the oldest 0. To. The end. The end. Of the world. The. Second term in office has been a series of corruption can i. Just missed something. Done i want to give you the why not pick synonymous healthcare in the country especially by saying im going to be one of the big 4 telling us the last night stand and somehow sometimes that just is me and. My name is john allen im im a kenyan investigative journalist based in nairobi and im the cofounder of Africa Uncensored african sense and is an investigative and indepth journalism collective our goal is to show africa as it really is the good the bad the ugly the potential. In kenya unfortunately for many years and i think even before donald trump sort of like popularized the phrase. News the government has been involved in the business of lying to it. The challenge of being able to find the truth in this country is that everything is politicized in this way our politics has interfered with even the simplest of things i think the 2nd is corruption and corruption starts from the top and many of those corrupt people are sitting at the top of government so that means that the information that youre seeking will only be as true as the person who is giving it to you. More as World Press Freedom day is being celebrated in Addis Ababa Ethiopia thats why the world will call gets to morrow for that the same Day International federation of journalists even 28914 and its working and for dennis what killed what was the state of media and thats what we interrogate him to do in the program thats what weve called i guess you have to have better skies and how do dennis navigate in that you know in a position in a situation where they feel that those in authority or pic in how they transact thats a difficult question to answer especially in this country because were perceived to be the free media in the region but i really think we need to have a more substantive and more long running discussion about whats happening in the counties ok because thats where the people are really at the coalface theyre you know and theyre facing very powerful individuals who operate with impunity and very often threaten the lives of journalists would you recommend more journalists explore independent journalism the path you took a couple of years back for sure journalists are consistently having to deal with what is a government not a tool that supposedly the oficial not a tip on which journalists sometimes you like to be able to tell the public whats going on if that official not a to be self cant be trusted then it makes journalists work that much harder. When i was in Mainstream Media a number of things happened from about 2012 on ones my own view that i should go out on my own which is you were in a minute i think and the 1st thing that that did take place was that we became targets. Of the state in terms of trying to suppress that kind of information that we were producing. In 2014 we we produced an investigative report about the 2013 general election and my boss my bosss boss clearly told me dont challenge the president the fact that i as a journalist was told that you can go this far and no further in a company that was supposed to uphold the values of Public Interest that didnt sit well with me and thats where my colleagues and i decided to found Africa Uncensored and step out. 2 years ago i received an email and the person on the other and told me that they had. A very Interesting Data set that would give me an understanding of how corruption really works in Public Finance management and i ready for that the information that this person wanted to give me was indeed true. So the data set we received sure that this got up networks in many many places but the police if we chose to focus our attention on was in the ministry of health because this is one of the president s key pillars for delivery to the public and it seems as if its either been hijacked or it was formulated to steal from this country warning. You guys. All right beauty our Wealth Managers who are looking out to people who are no managing this well for things that seems to be lost on you and the connections to these 263 companies so no joy in terms of you back to the lead in the line of questioning our investigation started on news that we questioned at the time we didnt think that it was fake news. But as weve investigated its become very clear that certain aspects of what the government was seeing regarding the medical Equipment Leasing scheme are indeed feet means. Even beauty is our head of data shes a statistician and shes very very good at looking at bhutto said trying to extract meaning from that. Security has been doing quite a bit of research looking into people who are we are calling Wealth Managers were calling them Wealth Managers because at the time we werent absolutely sure whether these people were conduits for corrupt proceeds all of the labor all that helped manage those corrupt networks a good would think would be what of f. A. Q. Would be joining. Is looking at what the impact of what the data is seeing is on the public so enjoy walt and find many other human stories that youll see in our report. And im not sure what it was i mean i think i may be behind it weve got you know i mean. I think it would welcome. I dont know what i did i mean i did not know. Yet. Whether or not that you cannot do that i dont think ive. Got one. Right now im walking on a story that hes focusing on the medical scheme that you know was introduced to the country by our government. Isnt been a battle about this you could win because not feeling you get why sure how much has been spent so far. My responsibilities to work on a story that sure is public its obvious that you know how can you as i may be paying for something that theyre not you know benefiting from. At times is so difficult. Not to get emotionally attached for this particular story i have seen very desperate situations where someone is seeking but they cannot even afford a little pain killers to be able to at least relieve some of that. So how can i give notice that he will find a job to be as us are. Doing the legit. Best player for its not a living being a pimp your saying me im both so cool im going to be. Called. Ted in the congress will know when i saw the whole concert going to 22 you. Know so little difficult. To communicate with. A member. Who some of them being the bomb. Could. Turn to. Didnt turn. On the lucienne. This. Comes from my mom. My mom is 70. 2 who are actually. Watching. T. V. And i am. Happy as is have kept me. Going to be very happy. Do many things to have a leader and be as he can work with cancer and we were denied me a pessimist meaning when he was saying im going to be our immunity i mean really i dont like your good you know exactly what did happen. Did it up and down gas and as i knew but i mean a quest people. Again i must get back to some good im both a q it. Means. I can now did not i was one of the but i got a good idea. Going to make when i was is that im glad i got mad at him and this weapon at. What to do is to establish whether. Whether shes on one to find out if shes there and to find out how she gets to engage exactly it with this company to make lets take a step process so that they did take selfies are professionally of in terms of what today is than a big issue for each thought that there is there is an ethical issue with it but why were navigating in this way because we all really have the primo rushy every day and its only about us rounding up of a of the going and how we couldnt do it every year i didnt get the information much as it feels internally on a constable that you know youre going to be putting somebody on to sports next week that not essentially is organizing these rights or you dont want youre looking for the truth and the truth sometimes can be uncomfortable for people to reveal. And we might not like you for it in writing about i can guarantee you this case. I think you will make you for it but what we we spent the past couple of months and in doing is specifically you has been very fine but what we have been doing is true were going to confirm it with the present was at the center of it but youll be fine here so ok now lets think you have a cough up the beginning of the conversation here i just just be natural being with a fast game to. Do such an investigation i feel now have are scared and and im tired in the boat or to me at it and i also feel. That it is it tonight is what im doing is it. Should they just go in just as go all the great arms they really at their retail being. I feel i feel like i was just going to this thing to finish and move on. What you found out for phrase quite well by way i mean billions of money that is unexplained because some of the transactions were seeing are the key life that a petition read that book payments and this provision i dont country that there must be a government official. Effecting these is transactions. The numbers never lie the biggest challenge is there is 3 actions to access that to be better. Days of course effort to make sure that that data is not accessible to the public. So that whenever there is provide ganda about something then we have something to counter that we have if we didnt but if you dont really have that information what else can you do. You find that even some of the journalist having to be part of the fic news as we know because theres not not access to the truth. Oh. You know being here hey benjamin is in green and this nice kid. You know. A. Little peer so youre like a Company Secretary to Many Companies that is an ikea i have as many years networks as i inch or you book i was in the end of meeting but i suspect that even bush was mother she is very subjective exactly this is the 1st meeting but we need to think clearly about what question. Now weve gone from going to possibly zap us an operation from an office in town and that seems to be the person who is doing business the next step after this and after making more confirmations will be not to go and give a way to respond saying we have you know look through this big talk we have seen major connected 160 go up and i think if 100 know it in from this next guy it was your trouble how bad was. The bad person. Im upset in how their next step is going to go but we have to get rid of response about what youre writing in a story so definitely when they want to talk or not we still have to go back and get her view about all of this fact that we have about how. I wish i knew what was going to happen when we publish my hope is that once they see that they will start to question the government very seriously specifically about something that is as close to the heart of kenyans as health care. For the government itself to be involved in this for something as sensitive as health care is not only worrying it really be fines the times that we live in with regard to war and you know of course truth where anybody especially people with the kind of machinery to push out certain information coming out of millions of people believe in a lie when the truth is far different. Today without that before the island went off boy and i have found myself there thinking about their questions that i wanted to ask end of a confirmation that i wanted to make and i was thinking how how does this go. Which is the best way to get this information from mine in i think you are. What if this becomes legally. Crucifying were to get. People to harass me. But if she finds out that i have this information about her so i feel quite gerund and quite unsure of how things will go. I feel like if it came out as african 10 times if i go into being our this or that band of a john allen and they still him doing these things. So im not sure what people are thinking if they know such as my brother like me i was part of it for medicine to do this story and know that theres a 3rd hand impact but i dont know and many were made i do know better they feel. This is directing how are you today. We want to meet this week. I think i didnt realize that sometimes i but if you do something if you want to be fabulous i think i forgot to remove it so our. Committee tomorrow i wanted to come with one of my batman being the. No problem so see you tomorrow. Fowler i think you. And i. Feed news and the use of false information has become somewhat of a primary pillar of governmental state strategy whenever they want to do something branding things off we can use a very effective to be because as long as you can continually discredit the media the public looks at stories and are like should i really trust this even know journalists i worked hard to try and verify the information. So its the. Journalists who do as you the truth often get ostracized some journalists when pursuing stories that would be in the government in a bad light would expose them ive been arrested have been the focus of entrapment so seeing that my work and my profession might put me in harms way scares me it does but i think that the rule of journalism. Is that we publish was things that people dont want published even if it doesnt mean that we are scared because at the moment that citizens have the information that they require to lead their lives thats when positive change happens. Theyre going to this when. I came. To this. This is a very really Good Opportunity for me to use my skills for ones for humanity. Kind of just in case i had to do that for a number. Grade just that it did give last time i got to you right now. Were going to insert yourself in the. Perfect. In the investigation if. I feel that people mentioned in this during it me me pretty bad choices to give up to threaten to punish us because of that because it touches on the failures of people in power. Because i dont compete with them. You might not nor the person. Youre doing this story for. About something for him to do and one be that person could find just to see if im. Full. Citizens are out there be expecting to have soaring a creationist. Says they need somebody to explain to them what is happening out there so whatever one thing being sure that one can take in all things nothing like that took so long lead to what congress after. I feel it is worth their sacrifice i think one day way. 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