Listen this is the moment to stop all the 30 action this is the moment. We meet with global news makers the stories the home to 0. Theyre welcome to the stream im josh rushing sitting in for me ok today coming to you live from my whole life because of cobra 19 in the core of team suck up the dog out the kids or talk to in the veteran in my wife whos work in the carrier in the lights. Joining the conversation today on you tube in the live chat and well get some of those comments in during the show todays topic is about Police Reform of course that started here in the u. S. But those protests to spread across the world it began when people saw the viral video of a white Police Officer in minneapolis putting his knee on the back of the neck of george floyd for 8 minutes and 46 seconds while george lloyd died. People flooded to the streets to protest that to protest not just that but really Police Brutality across the u. S. And heres how the police chose to respond to those protests. Police drove a vehicle into a crowd of people protesting there and Los Angeles Police when they sense that people who witnesses say was simply standing with the hands of a new york Police Officer caught on camera pushing a woman who was demonstrating an officer pulling a mans face mask off and spraying him with pepper spray it is unsettling image of an officer taking a woman who was missed caught on camera a protester run over by an age now to patrol the protests. Thats how they responded to the accusation of Police Brutality to protest about it i want to take you to my laptop right now and show you because it this is what the protests were actually about and this is Police Violence in communities across the country you can follow this timeline. Just. As it is rolls across the u. S. Go to our 1st guest here simone we you know youre with the Marshall Project where you 1st tell us a little bit about the Marshall Project and then give us a sense of how do we get here the idea initially why i mean this project is we thought lets influence it 2016 and then action at that time this is where ferguson people are talking about the Environment Education and the criminal justice was not. So we launched a couple months after ferguson and i am a Police Reporter the National Law Enforcement so ive been busy for the last 6 years and what we try to do at the Marshall Project i have not done it any of us are. A lot of us degrees as well journalism so the mindset of lets look at data lets do deep dives us look at history so were no different than sort of the daily newspaper you lou. Yeah we love the Marshall Project. Before to talk about is for an up socalled american sheriff. The work you guys do is as vital to me a bit of a quick historical walkthrough as to how we got ourselves in this mob. So i will try to sum up the 25200 years of Law Enforcement in this country really quickly so i always like to start out that remember america as a place steps different depending on what state youre in so as to so the history of policing we should look at it 1st in the south and then once again its in the northern cities like boston so really quickly in the south we do have a legacy obviously of slave patrols and i would say about you do you see these u. N. Vans as white men going around attacking black americans who were skipping for their feet and even slavery was over and i think that in your quotes. You had the 1st band of the federal government coming in and saying hey you cannot allow sort of local Law Enforcement to continue to abuse black americans and i really dont know this but lawsuit a lot of because the color of law statute in federal case law looking at prosecuting bad cops actually ties back to 6 which is when the federal government asked a lot to say hey you cannot abuse your power just seeing how they are acting in the needs of Law Enforcement so thats just out the Natural History and thats one of the nerds the 1st Police Department in this country minnesota Police Department actually boston i believe there are 330 s. And thats modeled after going on so you have to sort of the idea that can Police Departments and again im talking more about history of a boston new york city and the souths own district history can we have Big Government policing can we go on and do crime control and police neighborhoods interact with the community and so when i. Really interesting as time went on that the great migration americans. In your city now dick losing to right i could disproportionately oh yeah please its impacting communities of color but its very interesting to look at the history because boston new york started its Police Department more like were becoming industrialized city thats how Police Department i went in and the south had its own more or less worn out of slave patrols and look at it no matter what do you mean money or. Portlandia on the brass most likely just who he sounds most likely in fact. I want to bring up the cover of the new yorker right now i think its called say their names its a drawing of george floyd let me have it here check this out this this talks about the history so you start down at the bottom of it then you basically see the images of slavery to include the use of course all of it was abuse through the jim crow era to school from the bottom up with the lynching us and then right in the middle there you see rodney king that where the the cops are around him hes on the ground vehicles in the background thats from the rodney king video and then of course to air rising air kerner and all the way at the top of course is george floyd i mean just in recent history since the Civil Rights Act you have watson what 65 and 66 that was about fleece for television you had l. A. In 92. 00 that was about Police Brutality you have ferguson Police Brutality and now you have the george floyd protest song id like to bring you in at this point former Police Officer chief of police in greenville North Carolina has that right can you introduce yourself and tell us what youre doing now and then approach. Yes my name is hans and. Retired police chief my servant to departments alexander virginia. Retired from there and then was appointed chief in greenville. My move to greenville was as a result of that department needing to be reformed. Thorough where you can absolutely be inside out. What i do now is work on several consumptive careers on the federal monitor in cleveland i oversee the reform around you know the highest profile was a time your rice case. Also served as a deputy monitor in baltimore overseeing in various aspects of the reforms as a result of the. Murder and i work on reform all around the country ive worked on walter scott more Charleston Mark mark and minneapolis for the great internal ice so when you watch the georgia floor video what what thats what the your head. I was speechless horrified. And as you watch the Police Response to the protest like what do you think it is a cop that theyre just proving a point. I mean i had an emotional reaction to just a few that you showed but there are hundreds more. Just examples of basically policing on hinged on controlled even in departments that i know have good leadership. Their officers you know at the at the at the street level in those environments last why i mean i think a lot of it goes down to. And be. Many different frustrations but really the conduct those that the assault of conduct is a result of a lot of accountability or perceived lack of accountability or theyre just lashing out and doing things that. You know the world saw what happened as a result and it really. Highlights the need for i dont think that its you know either reform defund or dismantle i think its all 3 all 3 things need to happen we have over 18000 Police Departments in the United States and its completely decentralized or under the control of municipalities where states and all have different policies there is no way to you know its a battleship cant turn it doesnt turn quickly its not you know. Its going to turn slowly some departments need to be abolished. Some departments need to be reformed many departments need to be reformed and i think policing in general we need to look at defunding seriously i dont like the term deformed and i like to call it Something Like reimagining the policing model and the actual model what those policing used to be today in 2020 you know not based on what simone talked about the history of policing was we know that well its you know the notion of context of policing is founded on something horrible and its continued all these years we need to just raise that and start all over. Theres seems to be there appears to be the sense that cops often believe theyre kind of above the law early so they act in a way as if theyre above the law and own fault lines we were curious about that culture we started to investigate it a colleague of mine did interview with the head of the Chicago Police union and a little surprised by his answer check it out here. Do you think theres a code of silence in the department theres a court of silence everywhere everybody has it when we have people in the clergy that are sexually assaulting young kids or people in seminaries and others know about it they just transfer them record silence there is there there is just one doesnt make it right that makes the very moment boyd to you so why would this profession be any different but something that needs to change in your opinion i dont think anybody in this day and age anybody does anything that jeopardizes the livelihood of their job for their family to stand up for somebody that they know is doing something they shouldnt be doing is really a couple things to take out of there about the culture one is using pedophile priest to justify a code of silence within the police ranks and hes the head of the union in chicago and then the 2nd thing is at the end as he says anyone who stands up to do the right thing at the real expense with their silly how in the world can you live your life as a cop and have that kind of attitude. Its absolutely mind boggling and hes not the only one i mean there are we do union leadership. In minneapolis. Came out said some ridiculous things. You know unions. Are necessary to protect. You know the rights of certain. Officers. But i think that they have you know the pendulum has swung and tiredly over when were hearing things like this Police Officers fundamentally dont want to hear about. Is the earth and blue line i believe that it exists in a lot of places but there are programs that are being implemented in some major cities like epic and new orleans. Stands for ethical policing is courageous and essentially what it is it is a and it minneapolis that had it. You know with the george floyd case george floyd case would not have occurred epic basically trains officers to intervene when they see other officers doing things that are illegal wrongs overcharging people whatever the case may be and it gives basically when youre trained an epic you wear a pair and youre giving other officers consent to intervene on your behalf if you start behaving in a certain way and the intervention of annoyed videos of 3 officers that help people back could have intervened right absolutely absolutely and should houser nomen the protest as as the people in the streets were looking at the police in their millions and millions of dollars worth of military equipment and then being attacked by them i think it it you know occurred to some people maybe for the 1st time that oh yeah were paying for that were paying for them were paying for all that equipment and we need to stop and so the chance became defund the police now this isnt a new movement and over the last week or so this has been kind of debated a new wants is a bit so i want to bring in raina braina can you give us a little bit of your background where you are today and lets talk about what do people mean when they say abolish police deep on the police or Police Reform i think the devils in the details here. Absolutely and so my name is ray nestle khan and i am a journalist and aboriginal organized there and i am a one. In fly which i formed with some other abolitionists organizers and the reason we did that were because there had been a different campaign. Fund that i campaigned 0 and the point of that was to introduce reforms that they claimed would reduce the need for island and murder by 72 percent for us to have any 2 percent less Police Murders is not enough we have an opportunity here to make 100 percent fewer Police Murders and that is through aberystwyth your form or there are 2 average. Or mean and other average and then we are grounded in theory about a decade you are like and Ruthie Wilson gilmore marion cobb abolition is not new and i. Will have and. We just came up with abolition today but in theory its actually something that mostly black women unfenced have actually been working through and thinking through for decades and decades and so for me undine is just a way for us to get closer to a full abolition so that its taking away as much money from Police Departments as fast as possible so that we can really negate the effect that they have especially on communities of color the less Police Presence the less violence. Let me throw this at you this is from our Youtube Community from someone named i believe it might be pronounced and this is police is one of the bastions of Society Without it are Brutal Society would fall apart and its balance would go haywire. Sure i think that this is something that a lot of people believe but the thing is that we havent all of its. Life was pointed out earlier there are some that were or not out of holes and in boston out of the private property and thats how its remained sure 200 years they are protecting private property and they are hurting black and brown communities and i think that we really need to be imaginative to think about a world in which we can respond to harm in ways that dont include creating more hard and thats what either was once. And what we really dont talk about a lot is that these are often people who are causing this harm theyre not only murdering people as weve seen theyre not only attacking protesters as weve seen but the 2nd most the 2nd largest complaint against police is actually Sexual Violence so were actually seeing that there are so many people who are survivors of Sexual Violence. And abolishing then is one step towards making ringback sure that Sexual Violence isnt something that is commonplace. So rooted in a system of capitalism or inequality as a built in part of the system but many people see police as the gatekeepers for that kind of inequality can you commit capitalism to policing the police and how that would work within a capitalist society absolutely so forth jail abolition we would need to be. Well and i know that that is very scary for a lot of american but i wasnt going to have an hour yesterday with and or david that apple isnt really. Justice in this society and we would need to get to. But myself and other outward you know understand that it isnt something the for him to happen overnight and so there are abolitionist ringback reforms that we can implement today. And those do not necessarily require the dismantling of capitalism that we should be aspiring to and so that is the abolition all of those demands are things that could happen tomorrow and theyre all. Within you know old districts as well as city councillors areas because as well. As it was said earlier i think that a lot of these a Police Departments are municipal so its not something that at the federal level changes but we can make small incremental changes on the municipal level and thats what each obligation was really calling for favorite working people go in find those 8 recommendations. Sure its on 8 to abolition dot com and its all right there we have the other versions were working on translating it into 20 different languages as well and i think theres an a. S. L. Version on you tube now i want to bring in a sot of sound from byte from someone in our community here raven connex Police Violence to racism lets check it out. 1st so many of our communities violent comes at the hands of police a 1000 people are killed by Police Every Year black people are 3 times as likely to be killed as white people 50 percent of People Killed by police are people with disabilities and Sexual Assault the 2nd most common form of Police Brutality not to mention that 40 percent to 40 percent of Police Officers are domestic abusers a so already our communities are not turning to the police for safety w