Adding fuel to the fire defiance and Alfredo Donald trump threatens protesters across the u. S. Said he could deploy the army to deal with them but is that the outset to growing public anger and will dissipate give it more momentum this is inside story. Hello welcome to the program im convinced many a calling for a healing speech from President Donald Trump tackling racial inequality and Police Reform head on those the demands of many protesters who are outraged by the death of black american george floyd at the hands of a Police Officer to several months all of the worst unrest in decades trump had this message he is the president of law and order he said hes an ally of Peaceful Protesters but threatened to deploy the military if local officials fail to control the unrest thats led to criticism that hes threatening an escalation of force and as he spoke peaceful demonstrators close to the white house were being dispersed by tear gas and rubber bullets the president then walks to a church damaged by riots and posed with a bible in front of the building. We cannot allow the righteous cries of Peaceful Protesters to be drowned out by an angry mob the biggest victims of the rioting are peace loving citizens in our poorest communities and as their president i will fight to keep them safe i will fight to protect you i am youre president of law and order and an ally of all Peaceful Protesters but in recent days our nation has been gripped by professional anarchies violent mobs arsonists looters criminals rioters and tiefer and others streets in the u. S. Empty only days ago because of the pandemic have been filled with protesters following the death of george floyd dozens of cities have a post or extended curfews most demonstrations have been peaceful but theres been some violence and looting too autopsy reports concluded floyds death was a homicide medical experts hired by floyds family said he died of asphyxiation and his neck and back with compressed Police Offices an official examiner blamed Heart Disease neck compression and restraint and also said had previously used intoxicants that contradicted an initial findings suggesting his death was due to preexisting conditions george fords brother has called for calm as we heard earlier President Donald Trump has blamed the un rest on professional anarchists looters criminals the leftist group anti fair and others lets have a listen to why some protesters have taken to the streets. Were doing this because not only are we not present physically we are oppressed mentally we are pressing to keep Police Offices our press their minds are poisoned to believe that they have heard us and they see it like this system oppresses all of us black white brown and everything in between we are here to free the minds of everyone so that they understand and liberated enough to take a span for themselves so that we can all live a life thats free humanity should be able to prosper on their own we are all humans but we arent all together until we respect one another until we take those from underneath us and bring them up with us. I cannot just sit in my room continue my studies continue to work as if nothing is wrong this is something that is affecting every single black person in the United States and it is the duty of non black allies like myself to come out here to put our bodies out to show that this is not acceptable it never was and so were here today to really demand that there are investigations into the death of the murders of george floyd but also that Police Brutality is addressed specifically here in los angeles. People need to come out here and like give positive energy give off positive positive volves positive a push in the right direction against like how do i say this against on. Against the fact that everyone matters everybody has a place in this world. As you can see there and its just that. We i want i want a president trying to make better decisions everybody on this war on this planet matters everybody on this planet has a place everybody has everybody has power and we need to unite. Joining us now are our guests from washington d. C. We have now become assistant professor of Political Science at Howard University from here in doha mohamad a chicago we he is a political analyst again from washington d. C. Jennifer victor associate professor of Political Science at George Mason University a woman will come to you all now me id like to start with you donald trump has made it pretty clear he is doubling down in taking a forceful approach to these protests hes calling himself the president of law and order threatening even to dispatch the military how do you see this all playing out is this going to escalate things. Absolutely and i think in a place like d. C. Where we dont have a governor as a stop gap between the president and his deployment of military resources this is going to be very bad for this city but in other places where he is calling for more strident quelling of these these righteous protests i think this is going to. End badly i think its going to make people more frustrated and i think its going to give Law Enforcement more license to harm activists we saw he did this yesterday in advance of the curfew that the d. C. Mayor had put out of 7 he started firing people earlier than the actual curfews i think this is a bad idea jennifer if if we go down that road what should the Trump Administration be doing then. So just to agree with my colleague here we have several decades of social Scientific Research that shows that when you have confrontation of this type and civil unrest in the street when the Law Enforcement comes out with riot gear and basically a militarized presence it escalates the tension and creates more violence the Research Shows that when the Law Enforcement comes out with a sense of listening and solidarity and a sense of protection and helping to promote the free speech rights rather than to create a sense of conflict then it can have the effect of deescalating the violence mamas way about to bring you in is does President Trump have had a point at all that some amount of force may need to be used i mean people are being injured some people have been killed businesses ah being looted does he have appointed all what i think are 2 issues here one this is a confrontation between trumps the right for power politics versus more politics or more out of you know that things go right 1 up soon. Legitimate reasons why we have this escalation did is a frustration there is a fear of the future biggest concern or what i mean primal and so for the other issue i find the thieves quite a lot of men problems presidency it is we who spend them suit to explore responsibility i dont see any soso good lives here but this weeks record be a critical time for reviews with actually so. That there will be a thin cake for your ability to read for more than a 100 or more larry its terms of course the year youve been with the popcorn i think you really are heres more of the discourse but this should not be. Something that would help him just a little bit with people and expecting them to put all of forward to me is really just lethal and bring america together unfortunately we dont get the point done this is another part of one of the its this is a pile of reasons im morally and good for the city and now he is donald trump in denial about the state of america the hurt the anger is he in denial about whats happening i dont think hes in denial i just think he doesnt care i mean these are not new things that will fade to be fair to donald trump a lot of the issues that these protesters care about predate donald trump i mean these are centuries old in some cases issues we had with anti blackness in this country that say donald trump is very aware of what people want of why people are angry but he doesnt act here that people are hurting what he cares about is this show of force and i think what he wants to be is an imperial president and the fact that he cannot keep people from expressing their 1st amendment right and that all this police. And of this sort of showing of the National Guard is make people more resolute to resist so i think donald trump has a narrative that he wants to play in his hair where he gets to show himself as sort of the hero of this story rather than looking at the people listening to the people and actually trying to figure out a way where he can use this moment right as a real leadership moment this would be a test for him as a president but he sees it now as a test to be great in to live up to the moment but he sees this as a moment to sort of squelch him beat down citizens of the United States who have rightful right registry but yes no i think donald trump will not will not rise to to the moment jennifer assuming donald trump does go down this this way does put himself forward as the president of law and order does try to appeal to his his base of supporters i mean is it likely to work for him being that the president of lore and order or putting himself or does the president of law and order works for nixon in 1968 but this is not 968 is it going to work for trying. Yeah theres a theres a number of ways in which this isnt 1968 and the main way in which its different is that we have much greater partisan polarization today than we did in 1968 when there was actual agreement across the Political Parties on some issues and even related to Racial Justice what i think is important to look at when were trying to calculate both why trump is providing the rhetoric that he is and how successful its likely to be is his track record and his track record shows that he has gained political advantage every time he has works to stoke divisions so it seems absolutely clear to me that the reason he is using this rhetoric that is very aggressive and very much centered on threat and security and this sort of machoism approach to understanding whats happening right now rather than listening to grievances is that every time in the past when he has used that type of rhetoric it has worked for him it has elevated him it has galvanized conservatives are certain elements of conservatism to his side and hes hoping that that will happen here hes doing that as a way to both distract from the disastrous american response to coronavirus and the disastrous economic consequences that were now also experiencing and to rally his troops and create the divisions between his supporters and those that are raving grieve raising grievances about Racial Justice in the past it has worked whether or not it will continue to work as this dramatically escalates and is likely to continue to escalate i think remains to be seen its not certain to me that she should count on it. Mohammed in a report to you wrote back in 26 thing the president was elected you posed this question will President Trump now distance himself from the racist then a photo that the sultan istic and islamophobia positions heralded for by candidate trump during his 17 Month Campaign both to your would your own question 4 years later the same what were seeing now on the streets how would you answer your own question. How does the high hopes it would learn from this. The went out on the wrong. Hands on. This big. He was not. Well unfortunately i must express my recall we have done a high on the ascendancy of fortune was in any way weve done and i think that we have a good. So kill all the devices around them so most of those who like. To disagree do one with the group the. Woman is ripping through the front wall of the if we didnt bring him the rope for wind system and i think both gentlemans matter from seeking to do things that are pointing in the. Now he left to read more humphrey and advise of the sort of raising him probably i think one of the one of the main stakes is even being ripped in full 30 percent of the vote looking about right wing extreme right even to the who need me to leave who would sue and then they resent her for him being a lot of members i think the dynamic things he has looked learn to listen and also he has not really updated with what weve won in the way america what were going to have and i think it will end if i can put it in a nutshell he is not a president open leadership and manager. Jumps from one crisis to another one on the things he can do to get them to and i think this is going to be a moment of truth whether even those right wing will need to sit down and to deflect with or without anything and i think this is a very low point in the history of cost efficient and democratic United States ok lets move on just from looking at donald trump now he is americas moral legitimacy some might say its even in the past tried to project moral superiority is that being eroded now. Well i mean i think its always been questionable particularly for those nations that have looked at earth around the world and have identified racism as a beer of law in the United States you start in vietnamese are during the cold war so its not new i think what is new is having this particular President Donald Trump is a businessman who knows leadership but he does not understand governance and when he doesnt understand about governance is that sometimes when youre leading youre also serving right most of the time what you are doing is being in service to your people to your citizens he does not understand that i think donald trump views the United States as a business and he wants to run it is that and he wants to be able to be the last Decision Maker at all times and not understanding that he has Unlimited Power and that on purpose right the constitution is written in that way on purpose because theyre supposed to be coequal Branch Branches and right now with a he has been aided and abetted by a thin majority who is not saw fit to put a stop gap on some of these bad behavior and have gone right along for the ride so he had done this by himself there are other actors who are also complicit in it and i absolutely think that the United States esteem in the world has suffered because jennifer as we heard earlier various people have blamed various posses for stoking violence the majority of these protesters are peaceful but as weve heard you know trump has blamed anti fire was heard other sides blaming you know extreme right wing groups different groups foreign agents is blame being assigned for political game now. I think blame is probably almost always assigned for political gain and again this is part of Donald Trumps playbook you know he has not shown any interest in using messages of reconciliation or unity he uses much more aggressive rhetoric and to build a little bit on the point my colleague was just making not only is he i think its fair to say that his skills are not just in business but they are in media hes hes kind of a media genius and he really does not appear to know very much about governance or bureaucracy or the structure of bureaucracy or even how he has his own people who work under him often are organized you know hes been pointing to the leader of the chairman of joint chiefs of staff as taking over something which makes no sense hes he is that the chairman of the joint chiefs is essentially an adviser to the security at the white house that provides military advice for the for the strategic purposes of the president and he doesnt lead troops in that sense in any case it just emphasizes that what the way that trumps project leadership is by creating these divisions and assigning blame and raising a sense of outrage in a sense of anger and the more one side feels the side that is closer to him sort of galvanized by that than the other side of course in races and opposition because its incredibly on just its often very violent the rhetoric he was using yesterday was incredibly incendiary talking about using military forces on american citizens weve never heard rhetoric like this from from an american president in this widespread kind of way its incredibly unusual very uncertain and im settling its the type of rhetoric you hear from from authoritarian dictators not from United States president and it does wind up degrading in eroding further the the democracy and. Level of democracy in United States to the extent that there are both judicial protections and Civil Liberties that are under threat and i think the world is seeing that speaking of authoritarian dictators mohamed trumps leadership has been compared to that of some middle east and maydays autocrat dictating his you may remember he referred to egypt c. C. As his favorite dictator at the g 7 last year is that comparison fair comparing him to those surveyed is what i think of the combatants and that is right weve been saying this idea that he is trying to militarize the whole situation from why we need sold to you as to why those brothers of i think we have the leaders but this we have the government of the various states who can have the situation so there is no room for him to injury and i think since you dont like what it does mention below the political cover girl from so fun i was asking the question what do you use the the involvement of from want to combine or progress over the process was on the up you know what it was really all i can think of. The new being done then. Why is he good she said that he likes. Him its just his