Transcripts For ALJAZ Inside Story 2020 Ep 138 20240713 : co

Transcripts For ALJAZ Inside Story 2020 Ep 138 20240713

And finally israel has a government months of elections and political deadlock of lead to an unprecedented power sharing cabinet engine netanyahu and benny gantz will both lead it over the next 3 years but with different agendas can these 2 men actually work to get that this is inside story. Hello everyone im come all santamaria he is seen as an unparalleled political survivor and once again he got what he wanted Benjamin Netanyahu will lead a 5th government in israel but for the 1st time he will not be governing alone netanyahu will be rotating the Prime Ministers job with his former rival benny gantz 18 months each power sharing deal was agreed last month ending a year of political deadlock in which 3 inconclusive elections were held a unity government now sworn in it is a rarity in israels politics count says its needed to tackle the coronavirus during quote not normal times but what about Prime Minister netanyahu and his own battles he is facing a corruption trial this month the 1st sitting Prime Minister to face such proceedings and hes also pressing ahead with a controversial plan to annex part of the occupied west bank. Its time to apply israeli law and right to glorious chapter in the history of zionism the state doesnt deal. Peace it brings it closer because peace must be based on the truth and the truth is that there were hundreds of thousands of settlers and today and soon miria brothers and sisters they will stay there as part of any Permanent Peace deal. We decided to take National Responsibility especially at this time israel needs a National Government that represents broad sections of the country after more than 10 years the era of government by one half of the nation is over we are here to represent those who felt they had no voice in leading this country. So 2 men both who would be Prime Minister and both who will theoretically get the chance but as we know even just one year in israeli politics is a long time that alone more than 3 years harry for that in west jerusalem to set the thing for us well after more than 500 days of Caretaker Administration and political crisis during which time weve seen 3 inconclusive elections weve seen Benjamin Netanyahu go from a suspect in 3 Corruption Cases to being indicted with his trial due to start next sunday at last israel saw a government sworn in but what kind of a government will it be itll be the biggest in israels history swelling to 36 ministries a way of trying to satisfy demands on both sides with the 2 men at the top of each side benny gantz that knows former rival and netanyahu both sworn in immediately as alternate Prime Minister and Prime Minister netanyahu will go 1st for 18 months and then dance for the last 18 months but even as netanyahu hands over power if he does he will still retain the position of alternate Prime Minister something seen as important as he tries to fight off that Corruption Case as for what they said is they tried to sell this to the wider israeli public at a session at the knesset during which there was often a good deal of shouted opposition from the floor netanyahu talked about unity talked about Standing Shoulder to shoulder against the Coronavirus Crisis he also talked about his plans for an accession saying that it would write a glorious new chapter in the history of zionism despite the fact that dance himself is opposed to any unilateral action wants to see more International Consensus and the message from the u. S. State department in recent days seems to be that they want to see slow progress on that front from this new Israeli Government as well as far as dance is concerned it was pretty extraordinary to see someone who just weeks ago was talking about netanyahu pouring poison into israeli democracy making his entire political career about ousting someone under corrupt. Charges from a position of power in israel suddenly to praising him for having made an important decision in taking his party into this unity government the leader of the opposition yeah alloted say both men say worse things about the each other in private than he could have a say in the knesset and predicted that there would be more dysfunction as this government continues but for now israel does have a government in office at last how the force of aljazeera the inside story wester islam. Theres all the background lets introduce you to our panel today starting in west jerusalem with Mitchell Barak c of the political Consultancy Group at kiev on Global Research then in tel aviv and an economist at plus 972 magazine a political opinion analyst and a political strategist and back in western islam as well as a key the elder former columnist at monitor and a contributor to the newspaper welcome to all 3 of you i wonder if we might start a little unconventionally with looking back Michel Barack the outgoing government of Prime Minister netanyahu was actually i think the longest serving government there has been in israel which is quite an achievement it has to be said i wonder though what was actually achieve what did Prime Minister get done Prime Minister netanyahu get done in the last 5 years because i would suggest actually maybe not a lot well he managed to stay in power you know one of his main goals and one of the things that keeps him going. Certainly you know he was blessed in as particular where i would say that cynically he was blessed with the coronavirus epidemic which kind of took the focus off of israeli politics and of goddesses you know efforts to unseat him and in the beginning it was going really well meaning you know he was able to be elected speaker he was moving some legislation forward i mean he almost had a leg up on. But he was able to use that coronavirus. Thing you know nittany out theres always going to be some kind of security issue that hes defending the iranian issue i think if you want to look at it you know what she meant and again this was like happenstance if you will the fact that President Trump came in in the last you know 34 years has been really helpful and he was able to cement that relation with relationship with the United States and really achieve things that no one ever thought would take place including moving the embassy to jerusalem including having near a new nuclear deal canceled including recognizing the Golan Heights and he seems almost poised as was shown in the program to you know extend israeli law or what was called an exciting the west bank so that thats really i think his achievement he also has achievements you can criticize him a lot but within the International Arena he is a well respected leader and he has besides that he has an excellent relationship with trump he has also has an excellent relationship with Vladimir Putin he is probably the only person in the world that has an excellent relationship with both with both yeah danny let me bring you into the conversation because what weve done already with between mitchell and i we just talked about Prime Minister netanyahu and thats generally the way the conversation always guys im also just interested to get a little bit of a picture of life in israel for people there because while were a global news channel we take a regional and a global look at things im actually interested in well what life has been like for israeli people in the last 5 years and what they can expect Going Forward well this is a good question because it does tie into what mitchell did to try to summarize natanya his achievements and one of the things that i think that many israelis do give its own yahoo credit for is that they view the last 5 years as a phase where security was not as big of an issue as it sometimes is which is odd because there were actually 2 wars with gaza between israel and hamas and gaza during that time but somehow israelis have been convinced that thats a manageable situation there was. Even a wave of stabbing attacks but its as if israelis had such low expectations that that is considered somehow a credits and yahoos term and of course im going back before the last 5 years because hes been in office and 2009 so there has been a semblance of normalcy because there hasnt been you know major war since 2014 and Economic Life is strong on the Macro Economic indicators but of course people have a heavy economic burden what i do think has been going on over the last 5 years that also plays into it and yahoos socalled achievements you might say is the fact that there has been a a very aggressive political rhetoric that has become very normal in Israeli Society the public doesnt like it but the public does participated on all sides and that rhetoric involves very significant both legislative and rhetorical attacks on israels minority the palestinian arab citizens of israel on left wing or dissenting opinions that has become so routine that it kind of set the stage for one of the other major aspects of the last few years which is a sort of ongoing undermining of the legitimacy of the judiciary and the Supreme Court and this is something that was a little bit under the surface for part of the last 5 years but really burst out into the open over the last year especially the closer we got to indictment of midan and yahoo for those Corruption Cases that are of course the trial supposed to start next week and now i think that that issue is reaching a peak has been reaching a peak over ever since the last elections we had a constitutional crisis were seeing a very vicious attacks on the attorney general who has recently submitted complaints to the police for threats on his life that has become a feature of Israeli Society and is dividing the public just as much as some of the other issues you mentioned such as an explosion which has been much more normalized and the other things well talk about yes im going to see increasing debate over that issue in the next in the coming months in iran and so the question. Isnt this questions going to akiva eldar in westerly snow welcome to you what if anything is going to change this is a different sort of government that is coming into power theres no 2 ways about it ive read commentary saying that netanyahu is theoretically going to be on a shorter leash now do you see any time minister changing his style at all because of the makeup of this of this government well the question will have to be asked again 18 months from today because as he he said today he gave a specific date in the event where he will turn over the crown and its a crown because give me his becoming the king of israel the longest broke all the records even of being green founder of israel if he will hand it over to guns this will be a big surprise and i think that this will help him to save whats left of his credibility but i think. The most important thing is going to happen to him and i think states if trump will have to hand over the white house to back his belongings and there will be a Democratic Congress senate and president then netanyahu will have to change because as mitchell mentioned he got many free lunches i dont think that this is going to happen in a Democratic Administration so he put all his chips on the republicans against the Jewish Community against the american liberal community against europe well he got the support of. Of the and garion democracy. And. And then india of course but he lost the arab league the Arab Peace Initiative he missed opportunities to complete ode to to see if there is any possibility to reach a 2 state solution i think that he is leading israel to a part right now is it going to change not was this planning or government not where is a partner like lance who was a very small party and very little experience i think in that and you know well be able to eat for breakfast Goodness Gracious me michel let me come back to you. Bill in a point which which i gave a made in this is about the handover effectively in 18 months time to 2 benny gantz the alternate Prime Minister i think he is known as i must admit when i 1st had this deal i thought oh i dont know that benny gantz has got a great deal here hes been told all show i 10 months you can have the job. As i said one year is a long time in israeli politics i wonder if he will ever even get the job well thats a big question i mean certainly its its anchored in the Coalition Agreement which is anchored in law at this point so its very very difficult for to break it but you know i think youre lucky that the former partner of benny gantz had threatened that you know you can you can break it with you know 70 members of knesset i think is the number theres a number thats above that a simple majority of 61 anything is possible and the 10 year out his has the way that he has worked over the years as hes always buying time hes buying more time and somehow he buys more time and it works out in his favor so hes not even worried about november 2021 knows if i november 20th 21 theyll be Something Else but not you know coronavirus its kind of virus 3 if its not you know it could be the iranian nuclear. You know threat it could. The something from the Palestinian Authority could be something from lebanon there will be always something which will convince him that he is the only person that can lead israel and therefore he will act accordingly one of the better field in that hes gotten a lot of ministries yet a lot of very coveted ministries and its taken away a lot from the likud so where is god is somewhat of a political novice we know because this is really his 1st time in the knesset although its really is 3rd time in the knesset but its his 1st year in the knesset what hes going to be hes going to be the defense minister isnt it shepherd spent within his own party because of the 10 yeah it did it did not have enough jobs to give for the boys and the girls if you will and he didnt have enough of really important ministries to give and there was a lot of infighting there and hes kind of theres a definite undercurrent of dissent within the likud guns is really cost at delhi and that he will have to see you know how that plays out ok let me come back to you then ill put the question i was trying to put to mitchell there and that is the fact that. Benny gantz will be the defense minister for the 1st 18 months how defense minister is an important position in israel and i wonder how much influence he will have in that role and whether we will see differences in his opinion over what should happen with things that mitchell mentioned they may have been on iran for example i doubt that we will see a significant change of policy for one thing defense minister is of course an important position but you know in many ways you can look at israeli history and pinpoint the policy making to the Prime Minister weve had Prime Ministers who have served as defense minister and i think that its and yahoo as we all know is not only a very capable politician but hes a master controller and i think that hes very unlikely to actually let any against kind of it assert any sort of independence in that role the other major reason why i dont expect to see a huge change is that benny gantz has not indicated any definitive differences from its and yahoo when it comes to issues of defense or even with relation to the Israeli Palestinian conflict i mean the debate. Over whether he supports an extension or not is really a matter of centimeters of land how much its on yahoo actually plans to annex and how much benny gantz would accept to be an expert has gans and his party also called for essentially strengthening the israels big settlement blocks in the west bank and holding on to the Jordan Valley in some fashion they were just less clear about it over this time but of course the 1st thing that he was able to agree on with netanyahu journeyes coalition ago she asians was that they could move forward on this an exception it was like the 1st point he basically agreed with on a 10 yahoo and i dont expect its a young want to go as far as his further right parties would have liked it at least not formally and i expect gans to go further than his supporters would have liked because his supporters are centrists many of them were center left leaning and they do not support an exception but against doesnt seem to be particularly committed to the position of his voters thats and yet who as weve seen i think is willing to negotiate pretty much any principle of policy in order to stay in power we should remember that the right wing parties are almost as disappointed as the left wing parties at least one particular right wing party called the ameena which had sworn you know fealty to the right wing block and its and yahoo established only to be essentially thrown out of the game by its own yahoo when he realized he had to do other political maneuvering and ju

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