Democratic party that he represents biden carried 10 out of the 14 states in play while independent vermont senator Bernie Sanders who was the front runner going into super tuesday is on track to win the other 4 including the state with the most Democratic Delegates california so with the contest for the democratic nomination now essentially a 2 horse race which of these 2 men has the best chance of defeating donald trump in november to debate this im joined from new york by linda saw saw national surrogate for the Bernie Sanders campaign and author of a new memoir we are not here to be bystanders and here in the studio by linda lee a Democratic Delegate count that a member of joe bidens policy and Outreach Team thank you both for joining me in the arena thank you so much linda let me start with you just a week ago or even i could say just a few days ago Bernie Sanders was going to be the runaway winner on super tuesday he was the front runner in the race for the democratic nomination and yet on tuesday joe biden won the vote he won the most delegates won the most states how disappointed were you on tuesday as you saw those results coming in. I wouldnt say there was necessarily disappointed because i started to see the writing on the wall watching over the weekend the coordinated you know kind of drop out of people to judge and amy close with char and then coalescing around by it in a think it was easy for anyone who was following this race to see what was going on so going into super tuesday particularly after the big win for biden in South Carolina i knew that it was going to be an uphill battle i was pretty confident in crushing it in california which is exactly what happened i was hoping that we would win also texas but because of us coming very close to winning we are also going to be sharing a lot of the delegates of the state of texas so yeah you know i wouldnt say disappointed i would say that i was kind of i kind of saw the writing on the wall as we went into super tuesday. It was obviously a great night for joe biden in terms of a quote unquote comeback from where he had been pretty disastrous start to the campaign coming forth in iowa for the New Hampshire and yet even after the successful super tuesday is still pretty neck and neck in terms of number of delegates 60 percent of delegates are still to play for this is no when theyre done but i dont think we have we havent seen this sort of comeback in a very long time is truly incredible and i think the American People are speaking and theyre saying we dont want a candidate whos staff and supporters are rife with toxic individuals and i know there are so many supporters out there who are good decent people who just want a better life but we cant have a candidate who isnt making an effort to build a Broad Coalition that brings many different ethnicities and communities together you dont believe linda that the former Vice President i did study who will probably end up having the support of barack obama has all of these other candidates coalescing behind him you dont believe hes the safe choice against donald trump and a. I dont absolutely not i think he has a horrible record he took us into a despicable war in iraq and voted for the we war in iraq he didnt just vote for the crime bill he championed the crime bill which is why we have inflated incarceration of black and brown people across the country hes been working for the last 4 decades to cut Social Security medicare and medicaid i dont want to just defeat donald trump im tired of the status quo im tired of maintaining what we have i Want Health Care matthew thats what i want joe biden right now hasnt told me what his message what is he fighting for what are his top policy issues other thats bring in donald trump lets bring in linda make the point is it can the law like joe biden who is so similar in many ways to Hillary Clinton is that the right way to go given we kind of tried this approach in 26 in the Democratic Party tried this approach in 2016 with a kind of quote unquote moderate centrist who has the support of the party has the support of africanamerican voters in the primaries and then look what happened to Hillary Clinton speaking as a young person whom you see in his claims to be as base i was turned off by Hillary Clinton twice 16 joe biden doesnt turn me off into just im inspired by him im speired by his goodness and i voted for Bernie Sanders in 2016 in april primary in pennsylvania because of his focus on Campaign Finance reform but over the years i realized that i was kind to see that hes not who he claimed to be because let me bring in Linda Linda Linda made the point about young people so let me just ask you a question the Bernie Sanders campaign was is was has been focused laser like on turning out young people this was the big argument vote for Bernie Sanders he will energize people who dont vote he will energize people for minorities will energize young people on super tuesday earlier this week that didnt happen in fact in a lot of the states youth turnout was lower in 2020 than it was in 2016 surely thats a really worrying sign for your campaign yes maggie youre right do we need more young people to get off social media and go to the polls absolutely but to deny the type of communities that. Senator sanders and his team having i mean we have seen unprecedented turnout from latino voters who have given sanders a commanding lead and wins in places like california and nevada to see the inspiring satellite caucuses in iowa of muslims and former refugees who are getting up to vote for senator sanders and can more be done always can more be done but lets be clear maggie we have no super pacs we have 0 billionaires that have given money to our campaign we have had major pacs going against the you know democratic majority for israel was running ads against us in all these states we have anti bernie ads all over we have mayor bloomberg putting up ads against us i mean im not saying theres a conspiracy here but for young people who are not politically engaged it seems like that to the liberal at least a Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren putting out a vicious proposals where is your candidate has put out the list ambitious proposals of all the major candidates on health care for example he didnt go even as far as people. Who left the race he hasnt really talked much about policy or how hes going to change america hes just said you know vote for me so we can get normality back so we know about to a pretrial but thats not enough for a lot of people well i would probably moderate that a little bit and say he is putting out ambitious propose for example his ideas on Climate Change hes a very very aggressive on gun violence gun minds is for me and hes existential threat and i know so many voters in america feel the same way joe biden is someone who you know helped pass the assault weapons ban which has been shown to reduce deaths by gun violence Bernie Sanders voted against that multiple times in addition he also voted to prevent gun manufacturers from being held accountable i dont want a candidate or a president whos being supported in the past by the n. R. A. Its just unconscionable that americans walking down the street today cannot be cannot in just to just agree you dont feel that way in 2060. My vote for bernie was not a as i mentioned wasnt a vote for bernie was a vote against the establishment and the 27th at that point well you know with the established i dont consider myself going to be established im the granddaughter of a liberal bias for what you personally you know because a job in the candidate you support to be establishment there is no establishment i think this is almost like a myth you know if there were truly an establishment Bernie Sanders wouldnt have been able to get as far as he did ok but you just said you were against the bill in 2069 you say there is it again its like. There is no establishment lindy says. I mean there is absolutely this stablish myth thats the thats the thing the kind of conversation an honest conversation that were going to have to have during this primary election that as we get to the convention and then trying to coalesce our party or unite our party to try to defeat donald trump we cannot deny the reality is we cannot deny that there are still 2nd ballot superdelegates there are still Party Officials who are able to you know coordinate endorsements and put money into pacs and endorse certain candidates and have influence on the party so to say theres not an establishment is is i think not something thats going to help us bring the Party Together we have to realize that the reason why Bernie Sanders has gotten this far as hes guy in is also to listen to his voter base his vote a base does believe theres an establishment they believe that they are destroying the political system in this country to say africanamericans who voted in droves in support of joe biden is establishment is just so disingenuous these people are suffering these people are middle class or lower class citizens they are not those stylish men its just to label them as corporate you know corporate trash like they have been on social media and by bernie seem to supporters its a 60000000 hurtful or not representative of the real situation every voter matters africanamerican voters matter a latino voters matter so this should not be a conversation and i hope that your candidate does not support putting up voters against each other to say that africanamerican voters are more important than latino voters or not how no one is ever saying that africanamerican by absolutely the establishment at the establishment is not the voters the establishment is the billionaire donors its the pacs its the party and say that those are the those are the establishment its incorrect to say that bernie is not supported by super pac money when he is supported by dark money groups whose disclosures wont be disclosed until after super tuesday and we have no idea who his backers are theres no transparency and where the medical records by the way we have a 7 year old man who just had a heart attack and theres no transparency he promises transparency promised disclosure were not getting letters from. 1st of all Bernie Sanders has provided him what he believes are his full full full medical conditions at this moment i will not answer for him on that particular situation but you should be very careful indeed representing your candidate in calling groups like the center for popular democracy democracy for america the dream defenders are young people young black people that group in florida youre calling dark money groups people led organizations that have been doing progressive work on behalf of all of us some of them for the last 3 decades let me ask you this you mentioned Bernie Sanders health heres a candidate who had a heart attack during the race he will be the oldest president ever elected if he wins thats clearly a concern to some democratic voters going to the polls but another concern is with you on that joe biden who for a lot of people seems to be in cognitive decline in front of our eyes as heres a candidate who makes gaffes on a kind of daily weekly basis including on super tuesday who cant remember basic things its not as if you know you could argue Bernie Sanders has Health Issues but a lot of people say both of them do in their own ways joe biden has struggled with the starter all his life and you know youre going to suffer you know that youre not you dont remember that he doesnt remember a lot of people is that next to him obviously its not just the start he does have a stutter but for example joe biden 3 times in february said that he got arrested in south africa trying to see Nelson Mandela we dont have to watch that was in the stuff that was a lie what we can call up bernie on his many lies were that we could but im also put that to linda and i think you know i we would be disingenuous to say that politicians dont. Shape the narrative everyone does it its you know and i think that just does that mean youre ok with donald trump absolutely not but donald trump is not shaping the narrative hes even syria to the carrot if there is a much difference i rather have a good man who is americas you know best interests at heart than donald trump would you do what you do about the socialism label because a lot of voters say in polls including democratic voters that theyre worried about the socialism label thats why a lot of the party elite dont want to get behind Bernie Sanders because they genuinely think it will destroy him in the general election that the republicans will go off the end of a castro over venezuela of the soviet union whats your response to that charge. Because your show is like worldwide im actually embarrassed because in other parts of the world someone like senator Bernie Sanders would be seen as a social democrat would actually be seen like center left. You know Bernie Sanders not a socialist im a socialist hes not a social hes a democratic socialist mean anything else legalism very briefly im from communist china and im see they call themselves you know socialism with chinese character 6 thats the official chinese motto they killed my great grandfather so socialism for me strikes fear into my heart its a family trauma here i do not take that term lightly and what are we going to do about the many instances in which senator sanders praises communist russia he goes to russia and comes back and says oh really and weve seen people who say joe biden praised Hosni Mubarak said hes not a dictator in the middle of the arab spring. Americans do not have deeply rooted sense of disdain for Hosni Mubarak versus social issues as a political ploy but in terms of the morals of it were out of time we do need to ask you both this question linda you said in an interview last month because you because of the experiences youve had online in particular with somebody support as you say you said that he would become the democratic nominee you said you would not vote absolutely not so that means you would be sitting on voting trump saying im going to vote blue all the way down except for president so youre ok with a 2nd trying to im absolutely not ok with it but im also almost probably equally terrified and traumatized by the prospect of a standard presidency right now so its but to the point where you would be ok with the trumps i could to im not ok with it but by definition. To make sure that biden is a nominee that i must unite that which i will also ask linda if it is Bernie Sanders the nominee you will not vote for him but i mean like when i come to ok linda burney or bust some people on the left is it Bernie Sanders or no one else for you so this is the translation of what i got from what linda just said is that she doesnt care that donald trump will be able to appoint Supreme Court justices over his next 4 years and literally take us back maybe not your 100 years so thats what youre saying because youre saying that what is your all the linda linda what is your view you burn your bust as the saying goes ive never been bernie or bust im not going to lie to you i might have been i might have drew the line of Michael Bloomberg but i know whats more important is not about my little feelings its not about being selfish and selfrighteous its about protecting our communities and protecting generations to come and i hope i would hope not al that at all would be would be part of that movement but i guess hes not just to be great you would vote for joe biden if hes the candidate come november. It would it would be very hard for anybody but i let you know right away but i would do it but i would do the right thing because that is the right thing to do the last word you have a candidate who is a spouse and medicare for all he doesnt know he went to Norah Odonnell the other day and noras like how how much is it going to be hes like i dont know you dont know no one since no one knows how much health care is going to be its completely its its hes being a con man he cannot provide concrete proposals a specific number not a justifiable reason why you would not vote for a democratic candidate to be donald trump what hes selling i have a pipe dream not a justifiable guy but hes not even the lesser of 2 evils in your view hes not ok on that contentious note well have to leave it there Linda Sarsour linda lee thank you both for joining me on outfront. 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