Complicit in war crimes or even genocide against the Rohingya Muslims on that front one of our closest allies. Also on the show there was a lot of optimism when emanuel the crown came to power in france in 2017 but halfway through his term the french president is facing some of the worst protests and strikes in his countrys history so how much is he to blame especially for excessive use of force by the French Police thats our debate but 1st in january the International Court of justice ordered me out to quote take all measures within its power to prevent genocidal acts against the Rohingya Muslims minority but me im most effective leader aung sang suu kyi says the abuses have been exaggerated so guilty of covering up not just war crimes but genocide. And former spokesperson this week headliner bernies activist on min. Thank you for joining me up front given the horrific violence against the road. In recent years your former boss aung sang suu kyi as you know has been roundly condemned by the International Community by her fellow nobel peace laureate shes been stripped of her Honorary Canadian citizenship of Amnesty International ambassador of conscience award of the u. S. Holocaust. Award and in january rather humiliatingly the International Court of justice the i. C. J. Rejected her defense of myanmars actions and insisted that she act to protect the Rohingya Muslims from genocide was that the last nail in the coffin of one tallow reputation. I think because you know at the international the live. Years a and say can you do the version. But once i did accuse a sions so thats why. The me and i were thats the. Situation theyre in firstly it was communities are crying in ruins youre going to leave so thats a call late into early you know if you read alt. So i think dont she. Know im not you know like protecting her but they do say that she got to do this and the 2nd 3 and that it. d was aimed at the what i dont think it that its not fighting. This is the only we are the the ruling of the Russian Ambassador at the. New one minute just to be clear you dismissed what i described as the criticisms of western countries a lot of those nobel peace laureates are not westerners theyre actually from the global south and their own neighbors in bangladesh have also been pretty scathing in their criticisms of your government by the way you said you know we call them the rohingya and you call them bengali they call themselves rohingya why would you call them what they call themselves. So its that the it they broke from the british you know call it. Ever heard up the river. But you know i dont think that you are going to. This is not the case ok well aside from naming a side you have 700000 rohingya displaced from their homes 10000 people possibly dead thousands of Rohingya Women and girls right sexually assaulted around 300 rohingya villages burned to the ground for the past few years on signs suchi in the myanmar government denied any of this had happened they suggested it was all fake news and yet at the i. C. J. In december suchi conceded for the 1st time that yes human rights abuses and war crimes may have been committed by the top madonna by the me on my military what changed. And was very. Keen on because when a routine or militant group. Killed the the and the. Police. And one military so then you know only you know and then you know you know once you see this is a very good that i see a. A ruling is. A chance to get. He. Got a hold on hold on you say you say the terrorist group committed atrocities and its all one sided thats not true amnesty Human Rights Watch of all criticized militant groups for their atrocities the un has said that there were atrocities but what the u. N. Fact finders in 2800 said is that nothing these groups did warranted the response that came from the military killing indiscriminately gang raping women assaulting children burning entire villages the u. N. Says none of this is justified by what had any militant group may or may not have done are you saying it is justified to do this as part of some sort of war on your own really have. Evidence that in do one and. The hindu group is been killed its a martyr im not disputing that im saying does that justify the bunnys military quote from the u. N. Killing indiscriminately gang raping women assaulting children and burning entire villages thats not a proportionate response in fact the u. N. Fact finders accused the Burmese Military of genocide as have experts at the u. S. Holocaust Memorial Museum the International StateCrime Initiative in london and the unanimous vote in the Canadian Parliament alter were these accusations of genocide in your own mint i think i think this is the political or. Why do you know what im sorry what political agenda is the u. S. Holocaust Memorial Museum pushing what agenda do they have. Because you do need just the right the bandwagon whats the genesis bandwagon which which bandwagon is that. I mean like the whole International Media media pointed out that. Theyre all its the media you in fact find this interviewed women who have been raped and assaulted and youre smiling and rolling your eyes i dont understand is it not serious enough for you ok its. You know one case or you said that he also and so went and been raked they got at the end and they went they were on they got it like you know but i mean i mean you know the iraq ensures one you have that edit one rohingya woman says i witness says that when she tried to hold on to 18 month old baby the child was lifted from her they threw my baby into a fire they just flung him in the fire these are the kind of atrocities are happening in iraq and stayed that ive been happening for years that have been. You know and that was the only accusation what is i mean its only an accusation its a woman who lost her baby she lying im not really sure. You know so when it went when it went to woman tells Amnesty International 2 soldiers came and tied my hands and legs together with rote they dragged me to one side 4 of them took me and all for rape to me shes just lying to Amnesty International i dont know because if i if i look at her. Maybe she was true maybe she was not she was lying because you know because someone took it ok because you know i did but this is only one woman on me and hundreds of Rohingya Women and girls who are raped 80 percent of the rapes have been corroborated by u. N. Fact finders as gang rapes the berm is military are being held responsible for 82 percent of these gang rapes and youre sitting here saying i dont know i have to look them in the eye you are an activist for democracy one minute if somebody said to you in the eightys or youre just making it up that would you felt. You feel that when you when i read that they got the state Department Report see it that. The their role in job meant well rate by the soldiers and surrounded by hundreds so the soldiers it would look like the very you know the hollywood movie well that that its a hollywood movie the u. N. Fact finding report and Amnesty InternationalHuman Rights Watch as a hollywood movie so because they want what i dont get is every time i mention women being sexually assaulted you smile forgive me why are you doing that come on you know im just like you know because i disagree with you i mean youre dismissing pretty serious allegations you can disagree with me while taking seriously about the many women i mean heres a question for you why not allow him people interacting with the state why not allow people into rock kind state to see for themselves why if youve done nothing wrong if your governments done nothing wrong why have they banned the un special rapporteur from entering the country bam the u. N. H. C. R. From entering Rakhine State banned International Media from going and seeing from themselves sounds like you have a lot to hide for a government thats done nothing wrong yet you might be through. Because you know that. This case its very loosely and you know it will. What what i should say that the consequences he didnt care about the secret inside werent that good and in that position i would bring that the all the International Year the like as you have thanks. Independence thanks sony you finally lets talk about aung sang suu kyi your former boss many would argue that like a lot of people in myanmar she seems to have a problem with islam and with muslims she once reportedly complained about being interviewed by a muslim in 2015 she purged her party your party of all muslim parliamentary candidates shes dismissed allegations of ethnic cleansing and reckoned as muslims killing muslims she even held a meeting with hungary and far right Prime Minister viktor all about where they agreed quote that continuously growing Muslim Populations posed a grave challenge is this bigoted divisive islamophobia language really the appropriate language for a nobel peace laureate to use i think it maybe. Got it in a wrong but i dont think that it was jews at the time. Because he was there and you know really with that she doesnt have that any intention to again or discriminate against the religion that our burmese. Majority goodness that she again would also i think as she said but but when she goes and sees viktor orban and says theres a problem of quote continuously growing Muslim Populations that sounds pretty genocidal to me. Well lets see i dont you know the action is what i think that law. Action or action is what words lead to actions many people say the violence incited by leaders if you hear i mean youre rolling your eyes out as if you were a Muslim Rohingya refugee and you hear that your leader of your country is referring to you as a continuously growing population by the way its only 4 percent of the myanmar population is muslim but its a continuously growing Muslim Population the poses a challenge she says standing next to a far right nationalist leader like viktor orban own son she was once a hero to liberals across the world now shes allied with far right bigots like victor although once you are at the head of. Whatever whenever you go so you have to your enemy or your friends you have shaken that you could shake their hands you dont have to make islamophobia statements with them do you do you think enter it do you think the limbs in myanmar i dont ill tell you a question ok ill ask you the question then if you dont speak for do you think muslims in myanmar are a problem and a challenge and a continuously growing challenge as she said in hungary in a statement with the hungaroring government. I dont think. Because my Close Friends. Im really concerned that i mean the fact that your Close Friends are not slim it doesnt mean that your country doesnt have a muslim problem one last question do you think shes once legendary reputation and man must global reputation can ever recover from any of this i think you know i c j you know or you know. I think we should get that name and then we have to. Look at the how to get all. And thats a more important more you know. Or you know. No one meant thank you for joining me on outfront. Thank you. In 2017 emanuel mccrone swept french traditional Political Parties aside as he led a new movement known as on my show on the move all the way to the presidency but just overhaul free through across president ial term frogs doesnt seem to be on the move at all instead its been paralyzed by mass protests and workers strikes opposed to the president s plan to reform the countrys Pension System a recent transport strike was the longest in french history and though the controversial pensions bill moved to Frances Paula mint earlier this week labor unions are valid to continue opposing it on the streets so where will this standoff end and is there a broader bottle of play over the nature of the french welfare state joining me to discuss this is wrong on this score a member of parliament for president because his ruling party he joins me now from paris rome there was this wave of optimism when president mccrum this supposedly pragmatic centrist came to office where more than the whole 40 through his 1st theres been these major protests things arent exactly going to plan of a new. Well there on there on you know as you mentioned we are on the move and we keep on moving weve changed firms in lots of different ways for the last few years on training on education on university on the labor market and pension and yes on every one of those reforms you always find someone in firms whos going to oppose them but on the whole i think were beginning to have with those unemployment hasnt been as low as it is today for the last 1112 years theres job creations this company creations for india and investment is coming into firms again so there are moves there are results and there are resistance and thats what were trying to process is you say you have results and youre doing well on the economic front in terms of unemployment etc and yet president across Approval Rating as well the heart of from 66 percent after was elected to 30 percent last month thats embarrassing isnt it well its not embarrassing when you compare it with previous president s that were where lower in the mid term i mean we had european elections last year and before we had them that was in june people thought its very unpopular people dont like him when you look at the results of those elections unfortunately madame le pen was were head were very close to her and behind that there was no one to be seen so again of the day when and if we as french people vote and not just people who are im not sure the results will be as bad as they seem to be on the bones many would argue that your pensions reform which i think turns 42 different pensions into one quote unquote streamlined universal pension. A lot of your critics would argue that that will leave a lot of people in france worse off what do you say to them its true to say that amongst the 42 Pension System you are talking about some of them bus drivers trying drivers and a few of these are probably going to be not as well off as today and that has to be said but for instance in friends 20 percent of women take their pension to make sure that its a full pension age 67 after this pension theyll be able to do it at 64 so its as always in france people who are not very happy with the reform we hear them very well but people at the end of the that are going to be happy with that we have a form sorry we havent heard that much its not just pressure on those fronts another wave of protests of the past year or so there were the yellow vests that the world watched protesting in paris and other major cities there were the doctors protesting firefighters have protested and then you have this heavy handed French Police response where until recently they were using tear gas containing t. N. T. According to one report 325 protesters have been injured in the head 25 have lost an eye and 5 have lost their jobs as outrageous Police Brutality is it well for one no one is happy with that situation you know id rather know person to be wondered and french people whove been doing it for decades. You know to be able to demonstrate peacefully in the streets but you have to understand that the nature of the demonstrations in france since dramatically i was you know young in the sixtys and seventys i went demonstrating with my parents he was a celebration you dont go against the government then you negotiate and you go home in those demonstrations that youre alluding to theres a lot of people that are actually attacking the very essence of democracy is i want to kind of turn to france that i dont weve seen you know heads of our president top of buying speaking show to run in the street so im not saying that you know any Police Excessive violence shouldnt become determined as inquiries in those in some of these incidents you would know what is your reaction when you hear that 25 people have lost an eye and 5 people have lost their hands thats the kind of thing you might hear in some dictatorship not in a modern western democracy trying to deal with political protestors losing your hands no but a lot of policemen have been one and 2 are not happy with dont i mean dont get me wrong i wish it wasnt the case but not allow anyone to say that france is in any way close to any dictatorship this is a free country you can say whatever you want you can demonstrate as much as you want and you can go and you know and yet your government has been heavily criticized by Human Rights Watch by Amnesty International which has talked about excessive use of force by the police has demanded french authorities exercise restraint again these are leading International HumanRights Groups that are telling a western democracy you need to exercise restraint in how you deal with your protesters. Yeah you know i hope these people have also come and seen whats happening in the cinema screen sions i did you know i took off my suit and i went into mr asians and i can tell you some of those people and again im not happy that a few o