Announced theyll include former independent counsel ken starr and the lawyer island of each. Table is on those in washington he says trump isnt taking any chances with his legal team. Trump is taking this very very seriously i mean these 2 lawyers that he brought in to be part of this team are celebrity lawyers that are very very well known in washington and have a long history in this city and really in the nation 1st looking at Alan Dershowitz a long time a law professor at harvard hes considered one of the preeminent constitutional lawyers in the u. S. Dershowitz is actually a democrat voted for Hillary Clinton however he has come out very strongly over the last 3 to 4 months or so even if before that saying that he believes that this impeachment trial is something that should not be pursued constitutionally and that there are no high crimes and socalled misdemeanors and so thats really caught trumps attention and i think thats probably why he brought dershowitz on his team also dershowitz his peers on television here in the United States as a legal analyst a lot so hes very adept with the media spotlight and i think thats something that trump probably appreciates also you have ken starr who was from the late ninetys where youre well known in washington d. C. As you mentioned briefly he was the independent counsel that helped to prosecute or bring the trial impeachment trial against the then president bill clinton and so i think starr is very well known to and i think thats why he was probably brought on this team as well i think you can read into this that trump wants the absolute best people that he can get his hands on nearly 3000 migrants heading towards the Mexican Border have been offered jobs by mexicos president if they agree to state that connally heading north through guatemala hoping to get to the u. S. But some countries have come under increasing pressure from washington to stop migrants from crossing its southern border john oldman is in Guatemala City. This is the queue of people from honduras that have traveled in a caravan they were aiming to get to mexico many of them to get through mexico and to the United States were actually outside of a migrant shelter here in Guatemala City so this is just one of the stops on the way for them theres already people that have gone on and are already at the border of guatemala mexico now whats going to happen there is the Mexican Government sortie said that its not going to give them transit so that they can get through and get to the United States he says that the most it can offer them is to enter the country and to ask for asylum but its actually quite a backlog for asylum in mexico city and so the people here as we said that a lot of them is sort of destined for disappointment really in the in the hope of reaching that dream of the United States the reasons that they go in and the reasons that theyre leaving on to it are really 2 things boylans theyre fleeing from gang city extort and kill much of the population in various different parts of the country and also poverty in honduras is not a lot of opportunities this in a canonic situation thats been bad in the in recent years has been getting worse when people say they just dont earn enough to live so looking for more opportunities in the north they come many of them with what they carrying is who they have. Taken to stop here in the shelter you can see theyre just going in and the new the next stop on their route nor thousands of volcano evacuees in the philippines a been temporarily allowed to return to the danger zone to collect their belongings while the volcano is calm its not to much as we can but Authorities Say another eruption is still imminent those are the headlines the news continues here on aljazeera after witness states. During a Police Headquarters with 2 homes are detective talking about her their journey into you leave that up i just stand here watch you cry or 5 minutes youre not going home tonight i can guarantee you that. Welcome back to Wrongful Conviction when jason today were going to be doing a deep dive into an issue that is as fascinating as it is terrifying which is the phenomenon of false confessions and my guest today is going to be jane fisher very also and whos currently working on 4 cases involving false confessions and each is fascinating in its own way so jane while some thank you for convection happy to be here and jane is an attorney who is an expert on false confessions so jane how did you get into this work i was a public defender in manhattan here in new york city for about 3 years and we saw a lot of Police Misconduct you know we were doing arraignments up until 1 am in the morning and you see people beat up or you know people whose cases get dismissed who get no compensation so my husband and i left the Legal Aid Society with the hopes of doing civil rights work. My name is old castle im a distinguished professor of psychology at John Jay College of criminal justice once a false confession is taken the case is closed nobody really can tell the difference between a good confession and one that isnt the. Problem with all of this is that there are tactics that can be used to get innocent people and i dont just mean vulnerable innocent people i mean people who are sitting around in this world to confess to crimes they didnt commit. Any time you do an exoneration case where theres been a false confession its like trying to write a tries to. Everybodys already against you the persons been convicted by a jury the judge thinks hes guilty the jury thinks hes guilty now you have to convince everybody that theyre wrong. So a case that youre deeply invested in is a case of an alien ship who has been in prison for 20 years renee lynch. Was a case we took about 2 and a half now maybe 3 years ago now and she was accused and convicted of killing her landlord in buffalo new york in 1900. And its also obviously a false confession case the police are going crazy and they cant solve it 18 months go by and renees connection to to the victim was that it was her landlord and so they are start looking into running a who at the time was heavily addicted to drugs crack cocaine and. She gets arrested for Something Else and they start interrogating her and she confesses to killing her landlord with this guy karim so she says karim and i went to my landlords house we were going to rob her the robbery goes bad and karim steps or so its us shes a good century can make it a felony murder being present during the commission of a crime and somebody gets killed we started sort of doing you know just regular google searches on the players names the detectives and everything in this t. V. Show women behind bars comes up and theyve done an episode on bernies case where they got in the in the prison and interviewed her and then interviewed this joseph court was the cop on the case just the way her body slumped when she decided to go you just saw it was time to tell the truth. I believe her confession is kind of nonsense theres inconsistency between the physical evidence and what she says and during the show he says well i mean we knew that Corinne Walker was in florida at the time of our crime my partner looked into it and karim was in florida at the time of our crime like well. I guess they knew karim walker was in florida at the time the crime then renes confession cant possibly be true because shes confessing to going to rob the landlord with kareem at the defense been able to put that on her confession would have made no sense but the defense was never to. Our goal is of course to get renee out of prison but it can take a really long time sometimes many years and one of the 1st things we do in cases like this is to comb through the confession and find all the in consistencies to clearly show that the confession is false. And theres a cream walker drove me to 90 longmeadow and i am her. And was i was going to go into the front door and kareem was going to come up the back door. He was going to tie her up with a piece of white extension cord that he brought with him at that time kareem hit louise in the side of the face and louise fell to the floor in kind of went out if that happened he would be standing punching her here right when chremes head here in the face he knocked the wig off louises head a little landed on the floor in the kitchen but thats really the kitchen. He tried to tie louise up with the plastic or he had then cream comes from behind louise he stabbed her at least twice however we know its 8 times. So the only thing she gets right is that the witness knocked off that theres a plastic cord involved in this case thats correct and the phone cord is where the extra d. N. A. Is ringback. Im just in the its Jean Fisher Byron also in renee lynchs attorney i have a call with her this morning. Ok thinks. Oh. Oh. Oh oh. Oh. 00000000 why are quite sure. I. I know its hard. Rene went to trial she testified but very incoherently she was high during the trial. And you know it was she was not a good witness for herself she recanted right away afterwards and her confession is that as it was coerced when i talked to him about this theyre like well i would never prosecute thats what people say ive been talking about this for 30 years and thats the 1st thing everybody says i get it but it wouldnt happen to me. Its not one time the person that gives a false confession we are all vulnerable under the circumstance of interrogation we are all there have been some trained detectives ive spoken to who say i can get anybody to confess to him many of them will boast that they have a 95 percent confession right but its conceivable that a lesser of a lesser near perfect at identifying the perpetrator that is every suspect you identify is the perpetrator right if youve got a confession rate at that level youre producing a whole lot of false confessions we were in a lynch when i talked to her about it she explained to me i was so shocked that they convicted me she said because there was no evidence of a confession so powerful it can stand alone so heres the jury on the one hand theyve got the confessions of the woman and they go delay the confessions trumped the d. N. A. Changes everything it sometimes ive likened the final product of a confession to a hollywood production it is scripted by the Police Theory of the case it is rehearsed and then lights action camera ready to go. And thats what the jury sees they dont see the whole production they just see the final i dont see how. A judge or jury to look past a forced confession is that ocean approached. The internet is case were trying to get permission to test all the old evidence from d. N. A. But to do that we have to collect as much information about her innocence as we possibly can. Go back and interview old witnesses collect documents go back to the crime scene. I keep coming back to this thing that the cops knew he was in florida and kept going with the story that they did together how can they be permitted to go forward with a serious of a case that they know is not true they made the trial basically matcher. It just makes me so jaded and really disgusted with the District Attorneys offices that i feel like you know the you know theyre supposed to be at the top of the chain right there its supposed to be the ones making sure the cops made mistakes or people below the cops made mistakes then theyre the ones who are responsible for fixing it why not do d. N. A. Testing were not infallible we can all make mistakes i mean renees going to be in prison for the rest of her life why not just check in renes case its especially frustrating because i mean they certainly believe that this was done not the stabbing was not done by her right so there is a set of i mean theyre basically admitting that they have a cold case and theres a murderer out there and they still dont want to do it. We have a number of documented cases in which the person who falsely confessed actually came to believe the lie that they were told about their own behavior. Which is. A whole nother level of insanity and some of them believe it. For a long time afterwards right. Here. In the melted thompson case we had he was a danish inturn who came. To danish he was a College Student studying to become a teacher and he came interned at i. P. S. Which is really you know like a 20000. 00 a year preschool up by the un and it was a code teacher who accuses meltzer of molesting all the kids in the class and hes on the cover of the daily news they take his focus his facebook profile pictures him with his niece on his shoulders so they put that on the cover of the daily news and write sex monster and they go arrest him in the morning and bring him into the station and they have a female cop interrogate him she tells him well you know we have video of you molesting these kids which they had videos but hes not molesting anybody so they had this woman who accused him had taken videos of him in the classroom interacting normally with children and so either the cops hadnt watched it or they had watched it and were blatantly lying to him but there was no video of him molesting kids but he hears that right and he thinks holy crap well if im on video i must have done it right they let him continue to believe this lie that hes caught red handed on tape molesting these kids and i think that that you know he started you could tell through the whole when they finally are recording him hes doubting himself you know hes hes wondering did i do this. I think you can see. You. Its Rachel Ferrari you know and i mean assistant District Attorney in New York County mr thompson. Can you tell me why youre here today yes. Im here because im in the port of. My colleagues and. For inappropriate. Behavior with kids ok so why dont you tell me. Probably anything how this started what happened you know what happened. You know well. And remember decide to go down just a few moments about. And then. Present to me that i have. Missed as i. Have proof in the you know and so. I had taken. His hands during play time and place in her own mind. Consider a merge short and. You know for sure if for them that your question or your. So when you say give you pleasure at one time that was central to. It would have to be. I dont know you know. My memory just like it is know that it is your right now since to mend it thats your handwriting and it is just losing it over briefly because it looks like its been changed in any way. And thats your signature at the bottom because you read this out earlier today theyre just going to show it to camera. I dont even think people in the us really get that the police are allowed to lie to you i think most people would think that if im speaking to a Police Officer hes time to the truth but now to toms i mean in denmark its illegal for the police to lie to you so he really i think was was you know really says extra susceptible to Something Like that it took us filing the civil rights suit to even get access to these tapes the District Attorney wouldnt give it to us when the criminal case was pending we asked that quote we move for a court order to get at the judge just wouldnt give it to us but they sat on these tapes for 8 months he had this case hanging over his head and they knew that there was nothing in the tapes right and because was that was the only evidence there was yes luckily mel to never got convicted right we were able to stop it before that happened but it took i mean it almost killed him. My. Parents found Sexual Abuse Involving very Young Children were brought to the attention. In his office. This time. If you tell everything to dismiss this case after our nation is gathered in our stands now. We have a chance to have this. Is what i miss it then oh man its he still in fact is awful for what dansko was it appointed about him and its function to want to install a c. P. A. So he put in a treaty between the elite sport from sin no one say its going to help put the 2 end of the good in salem and sitting for it to pass says just listen forward to put in a new ear which is here in new york i cant for. The for fun see treating its 3 stories up. In the most false confession cases there falsely from fasting to an actual crime that they didnt commit in this case he was confessing to something that never even happened. As you said so poignantly i mean his life was ruined and he didnt even get convicted. You know the central park jogger case was my 1st interaction with false confessions are firm represented corey wise on his civil rights case im not thats a hell of a way to start i mean youre diving right in at the deep end there yeah you know the circumstances at play in that case were huge amount of pressure on the police and the authorities to make arrests and make them stick 5 teenagers but they couldnt be infamous central park jogger case in 989 the rape and beating of a female jogger made headlines nationwide teenagers are confessed but later claimed that their confessions have been covered. When the actual perpetrator stepped forward the 5 men were flying the economy over the past time for. 7 years in prison and one of them corey was 30. 1 the most notorious crimes in the history of new york city it was a crime in which a woman who was a wealthy Upper East Side investment banker was out jogging at dusk and was dragged into the woods in central park and almost beaten to death and it was front page news every day everywhere and they are out to get arrested and they got him. When you get to the false confession in that case it was a classic you know. Mismatch they were totally overmatched underrepresented if represented at all i dont know what they could pick or even have anyone in the room with now is going to be 16 so he was considered an adult sadly and so his mom was not allowed in there and they you know had given them lawyers they all waived their their miranda rights. This is very very serious this may be very we dont know if this woman is there. I want to know exactly where you are and exactly