1st a governess rail another deadline to agree a government has come and gone after benny gantz gave up trying the mandate is now with the knesset but will it be able to move things forward and whats causing this breakdown in israeli politics this is inside story. Well welcome to the program im in israel is facing an unprecedented 3rd selection in under a year thats after Opposition Leader benny gantz was unable to form a Coalition Government at attempts came after Benjamin Netanyahu is seeking a record 5th term as Prime Minister also failed neither has managed to secure the backing of former defense minister Avigdor Lieberman hes israel b 10 your party is seen as a king maker bots for benny gantz the problem isnt lieberman its netanyahu. I would seriously school netanyahu needs to remember israel still has a democracy even if it doesnt appeal to him he should have come to terms with the fact that the outcome of the elections requires him to negotiate directly with no blocks or barriers these are a blunt and violent attempt to deprive the voters from their democratic choice most of the People Choose a liberal unity government headed by blue and white most of the people voted to weaken the power of extremists and most of the people voted to go on a different path from that of netanyahu in recent years. Well netanyahu insists he wants a coalition but not at the expense of Israel Security he accuses gantz of being willing to form a minority governments with terror supporters who receive instructions from israels enemies this is a reference to israeli arab politicians who the Prime Minister claims are trying to destroy israel will bring in our guests in just a moment but 1st a false it sounds the latest from west jerusalem. Well the one years paper referred to whats about to start as injury time in this entire process its never happened before but for the next 21. 00 days the Israeli Parliament the knesset will theoretically have the power to nominate one of its members it could even be benny gantz or Benjamin Netanyahu even of a failed so far to try to form a Coalition Government if they get the magic number of majority 61 seats in the knesset to recommend anybody who they view has the realistic possibility of forming a government but so far there seems little prospect of that happening everybody is sticking to their positions very rigidly netanyahu is refusing to go 2nd in any rotational deal with his rival benny gantz pentagon says that he wont sit under a Prime Minister who is under or facing indictment and he wants netanyahu to negotiate only from the basis of his own party not the wider bloc of other allied right we can religious parties that he currently comes with as a package deal according to some reports certainly not later than next early next week according to most reporting is the final decision by the attorney general whether or not to indict Spencer Netanyahu in 3 separate Corruption Cases and in one of them whether or not to include the charge of bribery how that will play out of course will also be very important in what happens in the next 3 weeks. Well for more on this im joined by our guests in tel aviv we have your seat beilin a former israeli minister of justice and member of the knesset with the labor party in lundie youll see Michael Barrett professor of International Relations at Regents University hes also an associate fellow for the middle east and north Africa Program at Chatham House ants in west jerusalem Mitchell Barrick c. E. O. Of kiev on Global Research a political consultancy gentlemen welcome to you all if i may start with you youll see beilin what in your view has prevented the formation of an Israeli Government. The main thing is the result of the elections the 1st round in april and the 2nd round in september no party won the elections and as a result of that both of them tried to create a coalition with another party this other party of the little man it was not ready to join we need the left or right and as a result of it we are stuck the question is where the 2 big parties a blue why and the likud may join together in order to have a unity government and this so far it has not happened it may happen in the coming 21. 00 days that they have in order to choose perhaps a Prime Minister would you would you agree with that youll see mek oberg due to the feelings of having to lieberman the blue and white and the could simply cant get together so where just where does the parliament go from here. Well i believe if youre seafarers and fall its a numbers game and the numbers dont add up you need to somehow to get to a majority all 3 of them i know to govern but we found after people not a war or ject on the opposing team in the knesset so all this is the this was the result of 2 elections not not one but the in the midst of the plot but there are subplots that influence it for instance different people of playing the if and games to serve their own political future and co you have the big elephant in the warmers of course the indictment of i mean he saw the potential indictment of Prime Minister on it and you know hes one easy one that the blue and white are ready to sit in government considering that in the next week or 2 you might be indicted liberal man who is a long time then missis of the Prime Minister sees an opportunity to enhance his position and come we fall sort of constitutional changes and if this is the situation and you can the numbers dont add up maybe 3rd election might be the only the only solution forward however the question if there lect or it is ready actually to put aside differences and support government parties that can form a coalition then thats an interesting point that you raise your c. Michael berg i want to pick up on it in just a 2nd and tackle the the possibility of a 3rd election in just a 2nd but 1st of all to you what would you say is the stumbling block we have had several attempts to try and form an Israeli Government in your view what is preventing the formation of this government. Well its interesting because where the israeli people always criticizes their politicians for not having any backbone not having any ideology and always selling out it seems that people are stuck in their positions here and theyre stuck and theyre not willing to compromise on any issues and what happens is theyve been locked in the 2 major parties which is really blue and white which got one more seat than the likud and likud are locked in because thats and yeah i was saying im going to be indicted even if hes going to be indicted everyone knew about it and hes the leader of likud and hes going to you know hes going to you know run the ship and hes going to go to elections if he has to and hes not backing down and hes not resigning at the same time blue and white was elected on a platform of no sitting with netanyahu if hes under indictment if hes indicted or hes going to be indicted or or until we know for sure so they cant go back to their electorate and say were willing to sit in a government with a person whos has an indictment and its a now has no reason to join a government where you know he has to give up the Prime Ministership so it is a clash of egos to a certain extent but its more of an ideology at this point which is pretty rare in israeli politics to see that theyre sticking to something and not deciding where in this 21. 00 days are were going to be in this 21. 00 days and in just a moment and this is where the activity is going to happen because every party has got to realize that the israeli public may be punishing them severely in the elections again who have the most to lose by not backing die not become to you yossi beilin. Well i believe that it is not a clash of egos what you have here is a Prime Minister who does not want to go to his trial is somebody who is not in the seat of the Prime Minister this is his main motivation and if they are blue and white is saying no way we will not seat until you do you will not serve until you if you are indicted then you have a clinician not because everybody wants to be a Prime Minister for long there isnt an agreement that it will be a rotation government each of them will have 2 years the question is whether the 2 years of that danielle will be from now until 2 years from now all of guns what might happen is that in the likud itself there will be a kind of a rebellion there will have primaries for the Prime Minister. In the coming days and if it is not it then you know then the way forward ation government is open because regretfully their disputes so fall are not ideological about peace with the palestinians or about social issues but only about sylvia or not serving under netanyahu Mitchell Barak here would you agree with that basis met netanyahu is the stumbling block its not annoying to logical issue this is a man who doesnt want to be indicted for for corruption. Well right well hes using the entire electoral system the entire knesset and the entire israeli people hes holding them hostage so that he can have a better trial and have a better outcome i would call that an ego ego maniac problem if i had to look at it because hes got the whole country hes holding for that reason i think that netanyahu at this point has has the most to lose because if this indictment comes down in the next week or so he is going to look like a damage Prime Minister which is unprecedented to have a sitting Prime Minister who is under indictment and thats when the rebellion that yossi beilin is speaking about could happen because once he starts sliding in the polls the likud is not going to stick with that theyve stuck with him for 2 elections now and he has failed to form a government hes theyre not going to give him a 3rd chance if hes really sliding in the polls in the way netanyahu runs a campaign in general is he likes to trail and he likes to be losing hes the only leader in the world that the day before a few days before the election says im losing and im going to lose this election because he gets his faithful out no one is going to take that chance again than likud to bring him up to the next election day and hope that the people come out so i think thats what a lot of it is its not ideological i mean i agree with yossi beilin that its not ideological about the Peace Process about the economy it is an ideological battle at this point of how they went to the voters and its and yeah went to the voters and said im the leader of israel im the best guy that can do it and i cant accept anything else and its an ego in that he wont step down now for the next 2 years he will not leave the Prime Ministers office or the Prime Ministers home from benny gantz in the blue and white point of view it is also ideological that they face the voters and said we will not sit with the Prime Minister under indictment they cant change that thats why they are at loggerheads at this point if not to now would move out and say you know hes willing to resign there would be a government in 5 minutes if the likud we. Give another candidate or there would be a breakaway either through the blue and white party with lockheed breaking off or in the likud with some of those people breaking off there would be a government and thats where it seems to be a jam now ok go see mecklenburg would you agree with that assessment again i think we use it in a different word here its not that we have parties especially the larger parties that present to devote to us today electorate diametrically opposite tired old jesus as yossi beilin mentioned earlier about about say peace with the palestinians about the place of his early in the region about social inequalities that are growing all the time about how to govern the country where there is so much cooption its met their main ideology is to many be in power and then to think what they do next actually those of the small parties that are more ideological because the they also do voters are more coherent and more unified ideologically its just to break the impasse between the big parties and there i think the previous because the light if netanyahu sits aside and go and you know did we feel is legally issues then. It opens all sorts of possibility and there will in the end there will a coalition a bit wider coalition a unity government but no the stumbling block is netanyahu himself and the photo feat that hes liberal monday if he plays his own game because you want to position themselves though he leads a small party but actually to punch way above his weight well now that. The responsibility is now with the knesset its up to the knesset to try and find someone who may form a government do you think that this will be possible or are we heading to the polls before the year is youll see balan. Well the question is if there is an indictment it might be today it might be in the coming days and it might change the whole picture it is true that today when people are asked in Public Opinion polls would you change your vote if an attorney how is indicted for bribery a changes are not too big but you never you can never actually a know it in advance so once it happens then we will see if there are real changes and if the situation of an attorney deteriorates in the Public Opinion polls it would legitimize a change in the likud and it is true that if there is another leader whoever in delhi could rather than it and you know then it would be very very easy to have a unity government with blue and white so then with your agree with this michel barack a kingmaker in this entire process would be the attorney general. To a certain extent i mean his timing is off hes taken too long we have an idea that the attorney general is going to come down at least on one if not all of the 3 cases with bribery but i think what were not even taking into account is it is correct that by the time he the Prime Minister is under indictment his status changes and he may be on a downward slide but we havent even discussed that a week and a half ago you know 300 missiles were came in through gaza israel is involved in you know attacking arraigning in targets in syria a few missiles people at televisa in modine in the bulk of the center of the country were in their bomb shelters that cant go on meeting all you need is some kind of security changes like that where people will say its and you know its enough already meaning theres a a real instability thats taking place in israel now and its both with the security and also with the economy the government is not functioning it hasnt functioned since last november really when a lot of government contracts had to stop because it was during an Election Campaign so you have people that arent getting paid you have governments that cant you know ministries that can have new initiatives israel is is strategically is falling behind so anything can change any type of Current Events can change and bring those parties together and what youre going to see now with all the members of knesset is the 21. 00 days there are some members of knesset this is their 2nd term of office in as being new members of knesset and they havent done anything so white and their members of knesset have been there 10 and 20 years that may lose their jobs well let me put it to you then surely given that the security challenges which israel is facing given the fact that the government says as you say michel is no its functioning right now given everyone is waiting for a potential indictment to come dine surely this is a time for leadership and given the situation which of the leaders of the Numerous Party except cover themselves in glory. Well i would say that next week in america is a very big holiday its called black friday and everything is on sale and everything is marked down and people there are the most amazing deals that take place online and at every retailer in america and i think that were going to see a kind of black friday in the knesset where were going to see unions that people didnt expect were going to see people coming forward because these members of knesset have 21 days to keep their job for the next 4 years or some of them may be out and some of them may never see the knesset again from the inside of the building and thats going to be motivating them as well as this is really bad for israel for the israeli people and for the democratic process lets talk about the israeli people then youll see michael bagay given the situation there arguably the lack of leadership that we are seeing the fact that there is still no government being formed despite all the events happening what would you say the israeli people are making off this well i think 1st and foremost that they created this situation i know its not popular to blame the people for focus situation but its their potten of voting of voters which created this situation and i think they if the election day they need to we think go back to the go and vote in thing is this the way we want to vote again or were actually not going to get exactly what we think we are going to get because eventually they get very little and votes for other polity in the way that coalition can be formed but in the meantime they need to put pressure on the politician and this is intolerable situation as mitchell says its not that we a