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Disputed property is subject to the maintenance of peace and law and order and tranquility the government is to take measures for maintaining peace and harmony and law and order. So on trial for a joins us now live from new delhi so 1st of all theres a lot to unpack here and show 1st of all basically has clearly ruled on the question of ownership not just possession who owns this land now which is what the court was supposed to be deciding. Well you know not we havent heard from from the court on that exactly in the court has been careful in water tests said although i will add a caveat here that we could perhaps read longer to read the judgment ourselves and report accurately on it however i have spoken to the analyst to understand the same. Gap and they say that is being the disputed land sammy is being given to a board of trustees government appointed trustees this board would be formed in 3 months and this board essentially will decide how to go about the construction of temple that this is how the analysts understanding the bits of judgment that we can confirm to the viewers right now which means that the disputed land is being given to the hindu side not to this case there were 3 claimants one is the lord around 80 raman self and the court in the proceedings today said the drum is a legal entity and the other was a group of hindu activists and the 3rd was a sunni war the muslim group the court has said that. A car up people the hindu activist their claim is not a legit and theyve kept a lot wrong and the sunni walked more as a 2 claimants and essentially thereby also saying that the land would be divided between these 2 but it has not been divided to clarify its been given to a board of trustees which will then decide how to proceed with the construction of the temple this is the analysts of legal experts this is what im picking up from them muslims will get 5 acres of directors of land somewhere else in the state to put their position where to which is where this disputed land is and thats where they would be able to build a mosque where. That site would be would could be decided by the Central Government it could also be decided by the State Government now when weve gone to 0 doubt wed actually found out that muslim intellectuals had already offered this when the mediations took place earlier this year as a possible solution to have broader peace between the 2 communities but just to clarify here is the way that this is being characterized at least in the indian media is that this is a side where a mosque wants to for hundreds of years and its now a trust board of trustees going to decide how to build a temple there or simply what to do with the land. Well how its being understood here whether you talk about the indian press or whether we talk about the analysts that we speaking to is that its going to be a board of trustees it will be with a board of trustees which will be formed in 3 months this we are clear on and i know this is that this board of trustees would go ahead with the construction of a temple in given di in. This analysts is the reason behind this analysts is is because the court has already clearly said that the muslim side the sunni walk board will get an alternative piece of land so thats where this analyst says is really emerging from so in in a sense the court has been slightly where maybe it hasnt been i would like to. Paraphrase that and would like to wait for the complete word victim read myself a bought yeah thats how the indian press and the indian analysts are reading the judgement that the disputed land will be with the board of trustees who would then go about the construction of temple youre right this is where for 400 years before 92 bob stood that is understood but the court has also said that the demolition of mosque in 92 was a violation of law it has also spoken about how muslims trade in the in a courtyard in the hindu spirit in the outer courtyard of this edifice and theyve also gone on to say that sydney buckboard could not move exclusive rights. And that it was not so when it when this began sami in 92. 00 off the mosque was demolished the 1st court the 1st case that went to the court was whether there was a temple there whether a mosque was built on top of a temple but later it was converted into a type of school which is who does it belong to but in this were dick the court has also spoken about that according to the Archaeological Survey of india a temple existed at the site and that temple was not demolished. To build a mosque however under the underlying structure where the mosque was built back in if im right 69 or 79 its entries 400 years ago that was there was an underlying structure the Archaeological Survey of the us findings do not specify whether the structure was a temple or not however the court has been going on and said that the hindus for hundreds of years a believe that to be the birthplace of the lord more dates to date you damn. How what sort of reaction are we getting to this because the optics of it obviously not going to look very good for muslims in india and perhaps muslims around the region. Well yes you know a lot of calls have been made for peace a lot of security arrangements have been put in place but you know in the run up to this word it weve gone to you again you spoke to a lot of muslim people of you hear one thing in. Something quite different in the rest of the country in there is a lot of hindus and muslims live next door to each other they are very friendly and they say we have got no issues whatever the word it is going to accept but its the outside as when they say the outsiders they mean that members of the hindu groups could come in and cause some trouble and outside of you know we hear these noises but not why we are there the reaction is something that cannot be jobs however people on the ground have said that they would like to maintain peace that they would accept whatever Supreme Courts world it is and muslim intellectuals of meat interviewed said that the mediations that took place earlier this year. In those mediations that said that they would agree to such a settlement and weve reported on this before the settlement being that you give muslims a piece of land somewhere else and that we could build a mosque that could be a possible solution and a hindu activist groups have also agreed to this solution the hindu activist group. Its a group called the b. H. P. Which played a huge role or at least accused of playing a huge role in the demolition of bobbery mosque they say they did not actively ask their members to do it but it somehow happened so these 2 groups had some sort of a pre understanding it seems before this word it was given and the muslim intellectuals have clearly in this case played some sort of a rule because they are the ones compromising however they said that their precondition is that this should not set a precedent for all our other sites which means that if hindu activists claim that other sites like. These are the areas in india where a hindu group say that there is a mosque very close to a temple and it should just be a mosque these are some sort of claims that are made to the muslim intellectuals of. Our we apologize we lost. Our lets take a closer look at some of the background to this controversy which i was trying to explain to us that is due dates back to 855 over the ownership of well the hector of land claimed by both sides the hindus and muslims where hindus believe its the birthplace of one of their main deities lord rama hindu groups say a temple was demolished to build a mosque in the 16th century known as babri masjid in 1902 hardline hindus who wanted to build a temple there demolished the mosque that sparked violence across the country 2000 people were killed most of them muslims in 2010 judges in the lab and High Court Ruled that the land on which the mosque once stood should be divided into 3 equal parts one for muslims and 2 for hindus or later that year both groups mounted a legal challenge in the indian Supreme Court. Sanjay kapoor is editor of hard news magazine he joins us now from new delhi good to have you with us so what do you make of what weve heard so far from this ruling. Basically this land will be handed over to a Government Trust that is being characterized. As a trust that will decide how to the site of a mosque which was demolished by a mob into a hindu temple. Yeah this is the judgment expected but i dont think there is a great amount of legal work that has gone into coming to the judgment from a very cursory reading of what has been coming because if you see the flow of what the observations from the Supreme Court this 7 matter that believe the court cannot have it or they can only arbiter on matters of for titled who owns the land and there. You know certainly certainly they encourage some kind of a legal intervention so yes they get to own the land and there is still a lot of confusion and who actually own the land but at the end that they have decided i think this is a duckman reject law not with the mediation that they had ordered way back in may and long before the scorch got into it the muslims a ruling to give up their land if there was a get into your source that the other dispute will not be opened up fundamentally the ones in my. Which is the parliamentary conference your premise and then the more the there to work again you have a hindu temple as well as a muslim was standing cheek by jowl and they are make really really major plush points record emerge if the Majority Community in those a triumph alist after the judgement so it is a judgment which will have been very closely watched there would be a lot of india predation will come in but very clearly i could see a palace here one. Its a good little which was showing up for even for an untrained legal mind as a journalist been watching it for oh or many many years we said yes that it flew in a certain direction it will bring a certain direction and the conclusion seemed to be a bit different so im hoping that people who have been exhausted by this very protected. The process that the trial as well as many many cases that have come up from time to time would take the entire judgment in this trial and get on with their life because now the muslims have been offered fighting in. The same city. And the muslims would probably take heart in the fact that there is a recognition that some kind of harm that has been done to the cause because if i could jump you know those do used to really were kind of mixing here now 2 things one is the communal consultations which were going underway and the muslim communities of. 2 to give up the land but that was in return for a quest of guarantees that any mosques pria i think it was 991 would not have their legitimacy challenge to weve had no indication that indeed a court is not the venue for that sort of political deal and weve had no indication that that sort of guarantee has been given by any authority rights just to be clear. Yeah absolutely right i mean the court is not a place where these kind of got in this can be made i mean this is what has to be brought to the fore on this issue has to come from the government now as the Supreme Court has said that line not as even in a lot of things have to be done so im sure. The government could take cognizance of this but thats part of the crux of the problem has anyone from a law and order perspective has anyone who has been implicated including b j p leaders including. The heart of who was a Prime Minister at one point in this government has any of those figures who are associated with the destruction. Of of a property ever faced any legal consequences if were talking about law and order issues. So there has been a trial which has been going on for quite a while or when it comes to the issue of demolishing of the very much with Senior Leaders like ronnie the former deputy Prime Minister and also the president the party then you have another one mr maloof manoir joshi then you have some allies and there will be dipping from the shiv sena which is at war at the moment in maharashtra their leaders are also being implicated but you know that he is at its source low and nothing really much as happen by the fact that todays Supreme Court judgment declares that what happened. On 6 of december 992 was a clear violation of the Supreme Court order the strange people from getting in and this fight that you know they got in and they brought down i mean it happened in front of our eyes and it was like so traumatic but it passes. Im sure with the new judgment that is going to be announced at the base of whether we are able to find a closure on the about the criminality of this and that act would ever happen now we understand a board of trustees is going to be appointed. Are we basically looking at the b j p party which is of course the Central Government and forms the government of the states for the procession do they get to pick the members of the board of trustees. Absolutely i mean the entire burden has been put on the government to put to constitute a board of trustees and in fact if you look at it there is something called the randian a movie in the arts which is actually a trust which has been also and which reese the one which will be beefed up or populated by the government about who should be so there is there is it is basically the government which will you know quiet 2. 00 acres of land plus the 67. 00 acres they only have so there is a huge land which will be available for as they kept on saying a magnificent in the Temple Temple so it is going to be a government thing so the trusts are going to work under the government destructions supervision or i will leave it there thanks so much for your analysis and indias Prime Minister Narendra Modi has tweeted appealing for calm whatever decision the Supreme Court arrives that it will not be a victory or defeat of anyone i appeal to the countrymen that all of us prioritise that this decision should further strengthen indias great traditions of peace unity and goodwill. Now to another hot spot in chile protesters are openly defying the president s threat of tougher security measures against violent protesters demonstrators have set fire to a university in the capital santiago and some are looting and destroying property in the last few hours police fired tear gas and protesters you threw rocks demonstrations 1st began over a hike. But if theyll spiraled into widespread anger against the economic policies more than 20 people have been killed and nearly 2000 others injured in violence over the past few weeks not all demonstrations have been violent those are latin america reports as chile enters day 23 of this social upheaval we are still seeing the 2 faces of these demonstrations on the one hand tens of thousands of people again marching peacefully. The main convergence point. On the periphery of all that there are smaller but very violent groups many of them armed with. Riot police. Destroying public and private property. Was. More than 100 year old mansion that house of. Firemen took a long time to get there to try to put it out because of the barricades. To help them but it was too late to stop the whole building from being destroyed by all this is happening. Hours after president. Announced a long list of what he called measures to stop the violence from continuing. Brazils former president Lula Da Silva has walked out of prison after 19 months ordered his release after the countrys top court ruled to end mandatory jail time for convicted criminals to raise about reports from sao paolo. His supporters had demanded his freedom since he was detained last year. Or simply left prison on friday surrounded by hundreds of his supporters. You have no idea of the significance for me to be here with you i who my whole life talked with the brazilian people never thought that today i could be here talking with men and women who during the past 580 days were here saying good morning lula good afternoon and yelling good night lula no matter if it were raining if it were 40 degrees or 0 degrees on thursday the Supreme Court voted to reinterpret a law that meant anyone convicted of a crime was jailed after losing their 1st appeal the ruling allows lula and more than 4000 others to exhaust all their appeal options before being locked up. A new low was convicted last year of taking bribes in exchange for public works contracts it was part of the socalled carwash corruption investigation that saw dozens of politicians and business men detained for their role in cases that involved bribes and kickbacks from brazils private and state companies you love the feel of a left office saying that hes ready to fight against what he says is the persecution of the left under the presidency of j. D. Its not clear yet how hes going to do that he wouldnt be able to run for office right now because of what is known here as the clean slate law that bans politicians who have been convicted for corruption. Has always denied those charges saying he was a victim of political persecution the judge involved was mortal who is now john. 8 awards on iraqs minister of justice his impartiality has been questioned by u. S. Workers party. To the carwash corruption operation is the largest in brazils history and polarized Society Thousands demanded justice on the streets because the investigation discredited brazils Political Class discontent pave the way for the election of the last president and thats why not everyone in brazil celebrated last release on friday. I missed really disappointed because of there is no reason and the reward to a people that can make inquiry now heres a plane though and the making of serious damage for the country and there is right now. Movement and congressmans future in the situation where allow the region in the 2nd these but in the meantime lula is free and instead of being weakened by his time in prison he seems determined to reclaim his place in brazilian politics once again. 17 rockets have landed close to an iraqi army base south of the city of mosul the base also houses american troops which are part of the u. S. Led coalition helping Iraqi Forces Battle remnants of eisel have been no reports of casualties and in the iraqi capital baghdad there have been more protests the Central Government<\/a> it could also be decided by the State Government<\/a> now when weve gone to 0 doubt wed actually found out that muslim intellectuals had already offered this when the mediations took place earlier this year as a possible solution to have broader peace between the 2 communities but just to clarify here is the way that this is being characterized at least in the indian media is that this is a side where a mosque wants to for hundreds of years and its now a trust board of trustees going to decide how to build a temple there or simply what to do with the land. Well how its being understood here whether you talk about the indian press or whether we talk about the analysts that we speaking to is that its going to be a board of trustees it will be with a board of trustees which will be formed in 3 months this we are clear on and i know this is that this board of trustees would go ahead with the construction of a temple in given di in. This analysts is the reason behind this analysts is is because the court has already clearly said that the muslim side the sunni walk board will get an alternative piece of land so thats where this analyst says is really emerging from so in in a sense the court has been slightly where maybe it hasnt been i would like to. Paraphrase that and would like to wait for the complete word victim read myself a bought yeah thats how the indian press and the indian analysts are reading the judgement that the disputed land will be with the board of trustees who would then go about the construction of temple youre right this is where for 400 years before 92 bob stood that is understood but the court has also said that the demolition of mosque in 92 was a violation of law it has also spoken about how muslims trade in the in a courtyard in the hindu spirit in the outer courtyard of this edifice and theyve also gone on to say that sydney buckboard could not move exclusive rights. And that it was not so when it when this began sami in 92. 00 off the mosque was demolished the 1st court the 1st case that went to the court was whether there was a temple there whether a mosque was built on top of a temple but later it was converted into a type of school which is who does it belong to but in this were dick the court has also spoken about that according to the Archaeological Survey<\/a> of india a temple existed at the site and that temple was not demolished. To build a mosque however under the underlying structure where the mosque was built back in if im right 69 or 79 its entries 400 years ago that was there was an underlying structure the Archaeological Survey<\/a> of the us findings do not specify whether the structure was a temple or not however the court has been going on and said that the hindus for hundreds of years a believe that to be the birthplace of the lord more dates to date you damn. How what sort of reaction are we getting to this because the optics of it obviously not going to look very good for muslims in india and perhaps muslims around the region. Well yes you know a lot of calls have been made for peace a lot of security arrangements have been put in place but you know in the run up to this word it weve gone to you again you spoke to a lot of muslim people of you hear one thing in. Something quite different in the rest of the country in there is a lot of hindus and muslims live next door to each other they are very friendly and they say we have got no issues whatever the word it is going to accept but its the outside as when they say the outsiders they mean that members of the hindu groups could come in and cause some trouble and outside of you know we hear these noises but not why we are there the reaction is something that cannot be jobs however people on the ground have said that they would like to maintain peace that they would accept whatever Supreme Court<\/a>s world it is and muslim intellectuals of meat interviewed said that the mediations that took place earlier this year. In those mediations that said that they would agree to such a settlement and weve reported on this before the settlement being that you give muslims a piece of land somewhere else and that we could build a mosque that could be a possible solution and a hindu activist groups have also agreed to this solution the hindu activist group. Its a group called the b. H. P. Which played a huge role or at least accused of playing a huge role in the demolition of bobbery mosque they say they did not actively ask their members to do it but it somehow happened so these 2 groups had some sort of a pre understanding it seems before this word it was given and the muslim intellectuals have clearly in this case played some sort of a rule because they are the ones compromising however they said that their precondition is that this should not set a precedent for all our other sites which means that if hindu activists claim that other sites like. These are the areas in india where a hindu group say that there is a mosque very close to a temple and it should just be a mosque these are some sort of claims that are made to the muslim intellectuals of. Our we apologize we lost. Our lets take a closer look at some of the background to this controversy which i was trying to explain to us that is due dates back to 855 over the ownership of well the hector of land claimed by both sides the hindus and muslims where hindus believe its the birthplace of one of their main deities lord rama hindu groups say a temple was demolished to build a mosque in the 16th century known as babri masjid in 1902 hardline hindus who wanted to build a temple there demolished the mosque that sparked violence across the country 2000 people were killed most of them muslims in 2010 judges in the lab and High Court Ruled<\/a> that the land on which the mosque once stood should be divided into 3 equal parts one for muslims and 2 for hindus or later that year both groups mounted a legal challenge in the indian Supreme Court<\/a>. Sanjay kapoor is editor of hard news magazine he joins us now from new delhi good to have you with us so what do you make of what weve heard so far from this ruling. Basically this land will be handed over to a Government Trust<\/a> that is being characterized. As a trust that will decide how to the site of a mosque which was demolished by a mob into a hindu temple. Yeah this is the judgment expected but i dont think there is a great amount of legal work that has gone into coming to the judgment from a very cursory reading of what has been coming because if you see the flow of what the observations from the Supreme Court<\/a> this 7 matter that believe the court cannot have it or they can only arbiter on matters of for titled who owns the land and there. You know certainly certainly they encourage some kind of a legal intervention so yes they get to own the land and there is still a lot of confusion and who actually own the land but at the end that they have decided i think this is a duckman reject law not with the mediation that they had ordered way back in may and long before the scorch got into it the muslims a ruling to give up their land if there was a get into your source that the other dispute will not be opened up fundamentally the ones in my. Which is the parliamentary conference your premise and then the more the there to work again you have a hindu temple as well as a muslim was standing cheek by jowl and they are make really really major plush points record emerge if the Majority Community<\/a> in those a triumph alist after the judgement so it is a judgment which will have been very closely watched there would be a lot of india predation will come in but very clearly i could see a palace here one. Its a good little which was showing up for even for an untrained legal mind as a journalist been watching it for oh or many many years we said yes that it flew in a certain direction it will bring a certain direction and the conclusion seemed to be a bit different so im hoping that people who have been exhausted by this very protected. The process that the trial as well as many many cases that have come up from time to time would take the entire judgment in this trial and get on with their life because now the muslims have been offered fighting in. The same city. And the muslims would probably take heart in the fact that there is a recognition that some kind of harm that has been done to the cause because if i could jump you know those do used to really were kind of mixing here now 2 things one is the communal consultations which were going underway and the muslim communities of. 2 to give up the land but that was in return for a quest of guarantees that any mosques pria i think it was 991 would not have their legitimacy challenge to weve had no indication that indeed a court is not the venue for that sort of political deal and weve had no indication that that sort of guarantee has been given by any authority rights just to be clear. Yeah absolutely right i mean the court is not a place where these kind of got in this can be made i mean this is what has to be brought to the fore on this issue has to come from the government now as the Supreme Court<\/a> has said that line not as even in a lot of things have to be done so im sure. The government could take cognizance of this but thats part of the crux of the problem has anyone from a law and order perspective has anyone who has been implicated including b j p leaders including. The heart of who was a Prime Minister<\/a> at one point in this government has any of those figures who are associated with the destruction. Of of a property ever faced any legal consequences if were talking about law and order issues. So there has been a trial which has been going on for quite a while or when it comes to the issue of demolishing of the very much with Senior Leaders<\/a> like ronnie the former deputy Prime Minister<\/a> and also the president the party then you have another one mr maloof manoir joshi then you have some allies and there will be dipping from the shiv sena which is at war at the moment in maharashtra their leaders are also being implicated but you know that he is at its source low and nothing really much as happen by the fact that todays Supreme Court<\/a> judgment declares that what happened. On 6 of december 992 was a clear violation of the Supreme Court<\/a> order the strange people from getting in and this fight that you know they got in and they brought down i mean it happened in front of our eyes and it was like so traumatic but it passes. Im sure with the new judgment that is going to be announced at the base of whether we are able to find a closure on the about the criminality of this and that act would ever happen now we understand a board of trustees is going to be appointed. Are we basically looking at the b j p party which is of course the Central Government<\/a> and forms the government of the states for the procession do they get to pick the members of the board of trustees. Absolutely i mean the entire burden has been put on the government to put to constitute a board of trustees and in fact if you look at it there is something called the randian a movie in the arts which is actually a trust which has been also and which reese the one which will be beefed up or populated by the government about who should be so there is there is it is basically the government which will you know quiet 2. 00 acres of land plus the 67. 00 acres they only have so there is a huge land which will be available for as they kept on saying a magnificent in the Temple Temple<\/a> so it is going to be a government thing so the trusts are going to work under the government destructions supervision or i will leave it there thanks so much for your analysis and indias Prime Minister<\/a> Narendra Modi<\/a> has tweeted appealing for calm whatever decision the Supreme Court<\/a> arrives that it will not be a victory or defeat of anyone i appeal to the countrymen that all of us prioritise that this decision should further strengthen indias great traditions of peace unity and goodwill. Now to another hot spot in chile protesters are openly defying the president s threat of tougher security measures against violent protesters demonstrators have set fire to a university in the capital santiago and some are looting and destroying property in the last few hours police fired tear gas and protesters you threw rocks demonstrations 1st began over a hike. But if theyll spiraled into widespread anger against the economic policies more than 20 people have been killed and nearly 2000 others injured in violence over the past few weeks not all demonstrations have been violent those are latin america reports as chile enters day 23 of this social upheaval we are still seeing the 2 faces of these demonstrations on the one hand tens of thousands of people again marching peacefully. The main convergence point. On the periphery of all that there are smaller but very violent groups many of them armed with. Riot police. Destroying public and private property. Was. More than 100 year old mansion that house of. Firemen took a long time to get there to try to put it out because of the barricades. To help them but it was too late to stop the whole building from being destroyed by all this is happening. Hours after president. Announced a long list of what he called measures to stop the violence from continuing. Brazils former president Lula Da Silva<\/a> has walked out of prison after 19 months ordered his release after the countrys top court ruled to end mandatory jail time for convicted criminals to raise about reports from sao paolo. His supporters had demanded his freedom since he was detained last year. Or simply left prison on friday surrounded by hundreds of his supporters. You have no idea of the significance for me to be here with you i who my whole life talked with the brazilian people never thought that today i could be here talking with men and women who during the past 580 days were here saying good morning lula good afternoon and yelling good night lula no matter if it were raining if it were 40 degrees or 0 degrees on thursday the Supreme Court<\/a> voted to reinterpret a law that meant anyone convicted of a crime was jailed after losing their 1st appeal the ruling allows lula and more than 4000 others to exhaust all their appeal options before being locked up. A new low was convicted last year of taking bribes in exchange for public works contracts it was part of the socalled carwash corruption investigation that saw dozens of politicians and business men detained for their role in cases that involved bribes and kickbacks from brazils private and state companies you love the feel of a left office saying that hes ready to fight against what he says is the persecution of the left under the presidency of j. D. Its not clear yet how hes going to do that he wouldnt be able to run for office right now because of what is known here as the clean slate law that bans politicians who have been convicted for corruption. Has always denied those charges saying he was a victim of political persecution the judge involved was mortal who is now john. 8 awards on iraqs minister of justice his impartiality has been questioned by u. S. Workers party. To the carwash corruption operation is the largest in brazils history and polarized Society Thousands<\/a> demanded justice on the streets because the investigation discredited brazils Political Class<\/a> discontent pave the way for the election of the last president and thats why not everyone in brazil celebrated last release on friday. I missed really disappointed because of there is no reason and the reward to a people that can make inquiry now heres a plane though and the making of serious damage for the country and there is right now. Movement and congressmans future in the situation where allow the region in the 2nd these but in the meantime lula is free and instead of being weakened by his time in prison he seems determined to reclaim his place in brazilian politics once again. 17 rockets have landed close to an iraqi army base south of the city of mosul the base also houses american troops which are part of the u. S. Led coalition helping Iraqi Forces Battle<\/a> remnants of eisel have been no reports of casualties and in the iraqi capital baghdad there have been more protests the Iraqi Commission<\/a> for human rights says at least 23 people have been killed in the on rest and sunday iraqs top cleric is calling for calm reports from baghdad. For 18 year old im mot on this day at this hour the music must be mournful sitting among fellow protesters he places clarinet in tribute to the hundreds of iraqis killed since antigovernment demonstrations began in early october and says this is the best way to convey his feelings. And my house is on fire when i play the said music because i remember that they all have a mother waiting for them at home they gave the souls for us they sacrifice these souls for this country here in and around but that is to have a square a crosssection of society in every direction a span of generations the elderly taking great enjoyment in teaching the young the importance of this moment what you sense here more than anything else is the result of protesters committed to coming out day after day demonstrators with herman to effect 3 points sure a Better Future<\/a> for iraq and iraq. The scale of these demonstrations is unprecedented the mood in some areas positively joyful yet activists tell us this movement couldnt be more serious and they believe things are far different this time that in previous protests its been limited to the youth but with these protests after our youth were killed we felt the need for all of us to come out when many men elderly people the young and even chilled. Enough come up with these protests now Everyone Wants<\/a> change many here also lend a helping hand some brew and give away or. While others like dahlia distribute fliers advising protesters out to stay safe and we all have rights in this country if we dont act like no one is going to get whether or not government officials ultimately understand the magnitude of these protests makes no difference to dahlia who says protesters will not be deterred we didnt get to be in the roads by you know and they say go back to your home cutting you are my everything will be all my new life the going to be all of her many of our friends our model is getting done here this is not going to be our until we had our rights here and now at all these are raising their voices like never before some scenes like the one put on by this street Theater Group<\/a> are showcasing iraqs plight in ever more creative ways as a country bullied by regional and International Allies<\/a> fighting hard to stand on its own 2 feet a happy ending for the assembled crowd who hope one day this outcome will be more than just fantasy. But that. A spokesman for grand sistan is edging the mood fan police to stop using Excessive Force<\/a> against protesters in the last fall from our town our city mayor told us to judge out the peaceful ness of the protests in the various forums should be paid great attention the biggest responsibility is on the Security Forces<\/a> they must avoid using Excessive Force<\/a> on peaceful protesters. Saudi aramco is expected to reveal important details about the Oil Company Just<\/a> days ahead of its much anticipated Stock Offering<\/a> to help investors and regulators know the risks and opportunities for investment as frank a group to reports there are many concerns about the sale already saudi aramco is the was biggest Oil Producing<\/a> company but also seen as the most secretive privately owned and controlled by the saudi kingdom but now after much hype and many delays its going public in part at least by selling off a small piece of the company to invest is the timing isnt perfect. Just 2 months back and attacked by humans who the rebels would use the companys Oil Production<\/a> by half and Global Oil Prices<\/a> are low risk. Risk. So you either it was a few months ago. And. The date the commentary out there has been demand has been weaker than expected over the last few months and the expectation is that it will demand the risk. The kingdom hopes to save it bring in enough revenue to fund crown prince mob with than sell mans vision 2030 his plan to wean the saudi economy off its reliance on oil he wants around goal to be valued at 2 trillion dollars thats the same as microsoft and apple combined but Industry Experts<\/a> say that 2 emission valuation estimates vary if we make an assumption or one of our trillion dollars. By our estimates on a project. Just 2 or 3 years until you know better use them so when youre 1000 percent its not. Coming Oil Climate Change<\/a> and a push for greener and cleaner energy also puts the value of huge known oil reserves at risk so your anchor has huge reserves of oil over 60 odd years at current rates of production however as the world the carbon noises all move tries to move away from using oil and other fossil fuels was the picture going to look like over time is a high value going to be seen from those fossil fuel reserves or is it going to be ours or could tomorrow gets weaker as we can pricing fossil fuels and hence perhaps a lower margin per barrel its emerged that saudi rulers are now pressuring billionaires like Prince Albert<\/a> leap in cologne to buy stocks some of the investors being targeted were detained during the 2017 anticorruption purge which some members of saudi arabia swell the elite locked up in the Ritz Carlton Hotel<\/a> in riyadh theyre also poaching state owned Oil Companies<\/a> and sovereign wealth funds to open their checkbooks china is among them its the biggest buyer of saudi oil the share price is expected to be announced in december only then well find out who is prepared to invest Priyanka Gupta<\/a> to 0. 2 people have been killed as firefighters battle of Record Number<\/a> of bushfires Emergency Services<\/a> say 7 others are unaccounted for in the Eastern States<\/a> of New South Wales<\/a> and queensland hundreds of homes have been destroyed in the country were already in the grip of a severe drought a minister Scott Morrison<\/a> has announced financial help for farmers what this is doing is supporting farmers and graziers who know they have a future in the sector and are committed to getting to the other side of this drought and knowing that better days are on the other side and this gives them the massive breathing space to be able to make the investments pay the employees on the farm do the work the kind that purchase father a just a stock mike the decisions that dinah guy are going to need to take over the next few years to ensure that i get to the other side. And lets take you through some of the headlines here now the indias top court has cleared the way for the construction of a hindu temple on a disputed site in iowa the claim by both hindus and muslims its directed the government to set up a board of trustees within the next 3 months to build a temple at the site where a centuries old mosque was raised in 1902 its ruled muslims should be given an alternative site for building a mosque Security Forces<\/a> are fired tear gas and then the government protesters in chile capital santiago the citys main universities are also on fire believed to have been lit by vandals protesters are demanding education and Economic Reforms<\/a> i. Brazils former leftist president is out of jail after serving 19 months of a 12 year sentence for corruption and Money Laundering<\/a> nearly the Service Release<\/a> follows a Supreme Court<\/a> ruling overturned in the process for criminal appeals. You have no idea of the significance for me to be here with you i my whole life to talk with the brazilian people never thought that today i could be here talking with men and women who during the past 580 days were here saying good morning lula good afternoon and yelling good night lou and no matter if it were raining if it were 40 degrees or 0 degrees. Protesters in iraq are continuing their campaign against the government demanding an overhaul of the political system Security Forces<\/a> fired tear gas and use stun grenades on demonstrators in baghdad more than 280. 00 people have been killed since demonstrations began last month 2 people have been killed this firefighters battle a Record Number<\/a> of bushfires Emergency Services<\/a> say 7 others are unaccounted for in the Eastern States<\/a> of New South Wales<\/a> and queensland hundreds of homes have been destroyed parts of the country were already in the grip of a severe drought. A former twitter employee accused of spying for saudi arabia in the us its been granted bail more and another employee allegedly accessed the personal account information of more than 6000 twitter users they include prominent critics of the saudi royal family its up front now stay with us. Oh oh. We will not receive even one muslim thats the view of my guest today who speaks on behalf of the recently reelected nationalist polish government all ask him if hes defending a racist immigration policy. Dominic touch inskeep thank you for joining me on up front youre an m. P. And an m. E. P. Elect for polands law and Justice Party<\/a> which was recently reelected to government and which is often criticized for being anti immigrant anti refugee but actually youre not anti immigrant and refugee youre ok with White Christian<\/a> immigrants from ukraine youve taken around 2000000. 00 of them in youre just not ok it seems would brown muslim refugees from the middle east white people find brown people not fine theres a word for that isnt there dominic. Good evening thank you for having me it has nothing to do with. It hasnt it hasnt it has nothing to do with the religion i keep repeating it for last 4 or 5 years its all about safety and the common sense its not law its not about ukrainians who are allowed to come to poland its about Illegal Migrants<\/a> who wants to cross our borders and if youre brown and white yellow wall or whatever if you want to cross our border illegally youre not allowed we are reacting well 1st of all plenty of people are coming into your illegally as Asylum Seekers<\/a> you have a legal right to asylum from places like syria but you say its not about religion you said quote we will not receive even one muslim because this is what we promised you didnt say Illegal Immigrants<\/a> you said we will not receive even one muslim it has nothing to do with the muslim religion its not islamophobia is someones trying to tell us its all of this moment and this fight that at 2015 started this madness and now this is a problem about muslims mainly coming to europe im surprised they are not going to saudi arabia qatar or any other rich muslim countries that would be they would feel much better. You say. I mean follow the law the e. U. Has a law theres a Refugee Convention<\/a> theres a universal declaration human rights. Advocate general which advises the European Court<\/a> of justice found this week that your country broke in 2015 when poland refused to share the refugee burden so its your country your government dominick thats undermining European Values<\/a> european laws no immigrants not refugees not muslims. No not at all this judgment was not about poland only was about hungary and others and also this judgment descendant was about all countries which did not fully the expectations you have to remember that the quota systems were a system which failed was very clear about the numbers so even germany and france did not receive as many as they should for us that was very clear in 2015 we promise that we will never agree for a quarter system and our promises are are kept the whole migration crisis its a global think europe is not responsible for what is happening in syria poland is not responsible for this what is happening in iraq in syria in out of places we never had any colonies so if this problem is a global problem where is saudi arabia where is qatar where are the other arab countries reach our countries which should help they can help as a great example 100000 tents used only once a year during depot pilgrimage 4000000 people can take this shelter and leave their 4 year there empty nice nice beautiful tents air conditioned tents they are empty well you do realize that lebanon has taken in tiny lebanon taken over a 1000000 syrians one in 5 of the population in lebanon is a refugee turkey has more Syrian Refugees<\/a> than any country in the world so must the majority of the summer during the summer agree with you you also say in another interview that this is about Christian Culture<\/a> this is about europe being christian now you tell me no its all about legality i feel like youre all over the place are you objecting to from syria because theyre not christian or because they know they shouldnt be in poland which one you seem to be all for different excuses the different times you have to apply polish law is very clear about it submit your documents apply for a visa get back criminal back and then we going to decide we are not forced by any law to agree for that. Its the same in america even if you have a visa and youre trying to enter u. S. You still you still might here no youre not allowed and theres no explanation no one of from the u. S. Side they dont have to really. They dont understand why youre not allowed myself they dont with us if you settle for if you havent said. If you havent bragged about the fact that you dont have mosques in poland i mean it sounds like you dont want them there because youre anti muslim an anti islam ok so let me let me go through the legal path to the society so legally you have to apply legally youre allowed to apply and this is up to us if we agree to to have you in poland thats number one then our society our structure i keep repeating that in many mosques we can hear about the draw for us home again its a site the Christian Society<\/a> is a value for me. Multicultural society its not a value i used to live in and on them i used to live there for 5 years i used to work in us and i see the fruits of multiculturalism for me its not its not a very choose for me its not a value so we have a right to think about our future in a way we want to so Christian Culture<\/a> roman law greek philos our 1st these are devoted differentials for us its funny that you know its funny that you mention can i jump in once again that sharia law in europe ok i am i am i dont remember let me think i mean lives in your country doesnt mean you have sharia law you mentioned london the mayor of london is a muslim is the sharia law let me ask you this you mention london some would say its hypocritical that you dont want muslims in poland because i mean are you having it as if youre the shark is proud i mean finish your question let me finish the question and he would say its hypocritical that you say you dont want muslim immigrants in your country because they commit crimes theres a Security Threat<\/a> and yet you hear exactly the same rhetoric about polish immigrants in the u. K. From right. When politicians and media that they say the polls are groping women theyre feckless criminals they wont integrate dont you see the irony or the hypocrisy of treating muslim immigrants to poland in the same way that some jail them some british children treat polish immigrants ok how many poles blow themselves up in london or any other place in the world thats the question i keep read there is a lot and im going to get out about the whole issue of what is according to the right wing that is because of their religion or help it dominate your argument does it would just last month no no no no no no i think. Well many of them blow themselves up ok let me answer your question in this way a polish immigrant was charged with the rape and murder of a british student last month how would you feel if people in the u. K. Started saying we dont want poles there anymore we dont want rapists and murderers here thats what you say about most of you generalize about all muslims in the same way that some on the right in the u. K. Generalize about poles theres a lot of polish racism in the u. K. Do you not see the irony that you are doing the same thing to muslims as is done to poles no no 1st of all if someone if anyone committing a crime should be jailed it doesnt matter as a polish english or anyone else thats number one crimes which you mentioned are not committed in the name of a law. They are just criminals we talk about any other details but why not number one why not going to the other one i dont know i wonder what i should have. Been realizing about was that not a lot of the terrorists as you know. Almost terrorists are muslims thats not true as you know in fact thats not what you dream of the most of the far right terrorist attacks of the us this year were from jail or if they committed a crime they should be its funny you say most terrorists are muslim this is one of the worst terrorist attacks that we saw was in new zealand. One of the worst terrorist attacks this year due to the high profile was the murder of more than 50 muslims in new zealand by a christian faith. White supremacist and hes jailed. Some muslims are jailed as well whats your point should i blame all White Christian<\/a>s in new zealand did my point is that they the difference between our reaction after Day New Zealand<\/a> was condemnation i do condemn that everyone condemning it after the terror attacks we can hear from a mums. That is their threat because you know and they want to kill all the nothing lies. Between what a large evil is a. Terrorist can just google it just google it ok you can google also the Charlie Hebdo<\/a> ok ok you say this is this is a lie it is a lie just a little of it i will use. This quiz got you got hate preachers there are just and so all the moms that you said all the moms clapping let me ask you this dominic off the Charlie Hebdo<\/a> attacks you had the king of joy you know you dont have fight bridges in a Christian Churches<\/a> thats not true either of the Charlie Hebdo<\/a> attacks you had the king of jordan the Prime Minister<\/a> of turkey the foreign minister of egypt the president of the Palestinian Authority<\/a> numerous leaders from the most the majority will literally march through the streets of paris in solidarity with the non muslim victims of those attacks i dont remember seeing you or any other member of the polish government marching in Christchurch New Zealand<\/a> in solidarity with the most will be out of this. I dont remember seeing you marching in christchurch all the solidarity all the solidarity candles and all this painting on the floor its a joke but where we discuss what it was you know i dont remember seeing. In dometic i remember seeing you with a polish government marching in new zealand why didnt you do what we Muslim Leaders<\/a> did because most. Of the needed marches we have our borders which are safe thats got nothing to do with the question christian far right nationalist carried out an attack in new zealand if you will saying muslims should condemn a muslim attack which they did why didnt you go to new zealand and condemn that attack why did you watch like Muslim Leaders<\/a> did in paris why did you march in question. Think that this muslims this preachers this is noms are so peaceful let them go to saudi arabia let them go to qatar if you want to be a refugee you have to flee to the 1st safe country neighbor country then you have to apply you have to prove who you are and now we are having people in europe which is not poland is not a neighbor of syria without documents or 5 passports the same picture and different names thats just a fact from our interview ministers so its all about safety youre trying to put the whole subject in a box of islamophobia even even if no believe are going to put this we will not let him in if this illegal that says let me go back to my question would you avoided answering the christchurch shooter was an immigrant he was a christian he was a white nationalists who killed muslims and he had on his weaponry references to a bottle in which a king of poland defeated muslim invaders he had the name of a polish military commander of one of his weapons so i ask again why didnt you according to your own logic go to christ and disown him say this has nothing to do with us nothing to do with poland or christianity thats what you expect of muslims why didnt you do that in new zealand i ask again thank you very much thank god for King Sobieski<\/a> stop muslims in vienna thank god there are tons of terrorists out of the world by the way and im not going to react on any who is trying to use our beautiful history for a terror attack a market muslim say the same do you dont see the logic of your position. Says about one of them not not at all ok i got asked a question and i want to talk about the broader cultural point because you have said in a previous interview this is about culture this is about preserving Christian Culture<\/a> in europe im saying to you White Supremacists<\/a> of carried out horrific terrorist attacks this year in El Paso Texas<\/a> San Diego California<\/a> Christchurch New Zealand<\/a> and they have talked about stopping mosques stopping the invasion of muslims protecting Christian Culture<\/a> its virtually the same language that is used by your party and by you there is an overlap we can see that with our eyes its the same rhetoric. The difference is the difference is were not shooting if someone is a terrorist or killer a criminal should be jailed youre not shooting but are you inciting the violence by using that rhetoric of invasions and stopping most if not do not compare me to the criminal im comparing the rhetoric not you im saying the rhetoric is similar is it not or are you denying that it sounds like youre agreeing 1st of all as i said its not its against our law thats number one its against our culture and that culture is very important as i told you we are Christian College<\/a> country we dont want he dry in poland we dont poland being taken over by muslims buddhists or someone else for us christianity is identity as our d. N. A. Is a very important and our government has a right to say no and no one will ever force us to take muslims buddhists nonbelievers in huge numbers. But we are helping by sending money because our government is very straight we have people help we have to help in the place of the conflict in syria in iraq thats it do not force us to do things which our society doesnt want thats why our government was elected thats why we have one double intelligence chief thanks for joining me on out front. Another year another controversy about the veil in from after a mother was verbal abuse by a far right politician during her sons school visit to a Regional Assembly<\/a> the debate over the veil islam and secularism in france has kicked off once again with one journalist even comparing the hit job to a nazi uniform so is this really about head coverings or secularism or given the recent attack on a mosque in from a former member of marine le pens far right party its really about french muslims being constantly demonized some sort of enemy within joining me to debate this our. International Human Rights Research<\/a> are focusing on religious freedom and Civil Liberties<\/a> and benjamin had a director at the Atlantic Council<\/a> and the former d. C. Representative of president emanuel mccrum president ial campaign thank you both for joining me in the arena reman you heard the president of this Regional Assembly<\/a> who belongs to marine le pens far right party when you heard of this verbal attack that he made on a muslim mother wearing his job on a school trip accompanying her kids demanding she take it off in the name of french secularism before he and others from his party stormed out of the chamber what was your reaction how surprised were you. I was not surprised but at the same time i realized that we have again and maybe even more reach a point of no return. When you see the reaction of this person in how we amplify a problem that actually is not really a problem when i so this kid crying this mother was. With a kid somewhere and got her son well there. She was just literally giving her free time to help our understaffed underpaid teacher to go with kids and helping the staff and being treated that way my 1st reaction was this is getting worse where are we going this is not my country its getting worse the Council President<\/a> s actions will lead to widespread condemnation from would you add your voice to those condoms yes absolutely i mean this is a humiliation of a woman who exactly is remiss said was accompanying her kid to School Giving<\/a> her free time to Public School<\/a> this is actually a sign of integration in the way its pretty surprising to the life of the community so i think on this there is widespread agreement that she should not have been treated this way prison she said it was humiliating the spokesperson said it was a shame on the republic so there is it is but its Education Minister<\/a> who did condemn the abuse then went on to say its not forbidden by the law but the headscarf is not desirable in our society its a simple how does a mother supposed to feel when the Education Minister<\/a> comes out and says that has a cover yes but so on so this is it it is a very complicated question so you know theres a few things i mean 1st in france you know you have a tradition of secularism and separation strict separation of church and state thats only reinforced by a law 15 years ago saying that no ostentation sign religious science should be in within the Public Service<\/a> within the school or within a city hall for example and that goes for the head job but also for a keeper for a visible cross and you know. This goes back to a long tradition in france that actually is mostly by the Catholic Church<\/a> in muslims this is not muslims being singled out and it is not but it is true that we have a hard time having a rational debate about this and i regret the fact that each time you have these controversies those singled out do muslims in fronts feel singled out by the secularism argument absolutely and the problem the irony is most and only want to be applied as in relation to these here to protect religious freedom but we are witnessing a transformation of a city into a legal mts terror that it was not aimed to be when the law was implementing and this is dangerous because here we have religious freedom at stake but also. Can stand harrison and target of a part of our population to whom we say we do not belong so unless asked but you look at the do you recognize that description constant targeting and harassment of a section of the population french muslims well i think. Its true that the debate has shifted to a place where theres lots of confusion and it targets islam and muslims and theres lots of mixes i completely agree with that is there and we dont need to extend the law but there is a 2nd question which is on a personal basis i was on the 4th offical basis what did occasion minister say what a lot of feminist leaders see liberal leaders in france say is that they dont see this as desirable or this think that in a society this is seen as something that could be a sign of betrayal coarsest the sign is extreme religious conservatism would you accept that description them up there there are minorities every religious community. But if you want to call it observe the reaction of aggressive who liberals have a trouble dealing with my 1st question would be. Who decides what he does or rebel or not these constant idea that only one group of people decide for the other we are going to free you but on our terms this is not liberty to me when your critics say society decides the public decide its a democracy right now to a recent poll found that 2 thirds of people in france so they would be in favor of banning the headscarf on school trips so as much as possible come and agree with it hes going against Public Opinion<\/a> on that well what is Public Opinion<\/a> when those polls are done right after huge controversy and we can see that after a president ial election except for let me tell you what happened on the ground without me its mothers there would not be there would not be any school trips they give that time let me tell you something maybe even more sad. When a muslim woman where he job and when she cleans the toilet of the next c. E. O. Who will come and be able to work in clean of is when a muslim woman wearing a hijab take care of our elders because literally nobody want to take that jobs nobody cares about the he job this is nice lay in our fat who bring us pastries every morning however assume that this woman or their kids 2nd 3rd generation who studied in the school of the rep are big who know their right start to be visible to know their right to move along to love france we tell them hold on a 2nd you do not fit in our society we are going to decide how you will fit but you also know that a lot of these women who have been tremendous success of integration as you mentioned also sometimes the most vocal saying that they want to push back against salafi groups of religious conservatives were actually sometimes the most hawkish on the head job in the french conversation thats something that doesnt really transpire sometimes to france but you have a lot of secular muslim women who say that they feel pressure if we are frightened that you know if we talk about experiences on the ground you also have religious leaders going to mayors asking to have separate hours in public swimming pools between men and women youll have a lot of young girls who dont want to sit in biology classes in schools because they feel pressure from their parents or from their from their brothers you have neighborhoods where you have a form of religious conservatism that has imposed itself and that makes it very complicated for young women and you know other groups which is gays are just beatties to express themselves and so as you said who decides once again i do think that the law we have right now is correct but i think its also acceptable for people feminist strategic ation minister people in the political debate to say you have a right to do this but we also have a right to say that there are certain behaviors that we consider to not be a good sign of integration as an outsider youre both from. When i look at the french debate i think ok you can have interesting debates about feminism in job theyre happening all over the world perhaps more intensely in front of other places but big picture just the other day a guy was stopped from entering a mosque where he planned to massacre a group of muslims he crows are on the rise across western europe when thats the context youre operating in is it really the level of attention and coverage and political debate given to an article of clothing worn by women in the Minority Community<\/a> really should that really be the top story should the top story really be the racism the far right the possible violence thats coming from that direction i just think theres a disproportionate refuse to acknowledge the 1st on that on that attack which is horrible we should be able to condemn it we should be able to the extremely force for against religion in. Religious based hate hate. And violent acts but at the same time have a have a conversation about integration about you know all of these things that make you know again but youre saying we should never have a responsible come discussion about these important issues and be able to condemn im saying thats not really happening in france and would you would you think thats actually happening if you know what youve done for i will tell you something though in 20152016 with a string of terrorist attacks just like no other country in the west and at the end we elected a moderate someone who actually has an inclusive and universal message on this with 70 percent of the population is muslim it is a 3rd of only you know in a state you have less than one percent muslim you have someone who has been elected president wants to ban them from the u. S. Territory theres a lot of progress to be made i mean i dont think measures to reassure our viewers were better than trouble is not going to go that far but let me ask you this very sort of calm muslim or of london. Could that happen in paris any time soon you see a muslim or of paris of course of course it could happen that we have ministers of justice we have politicians what you think about a muslim practicing muslim area of paris i want to believe absolutely and i would agree with you that it will get worse before it gets better so i think it will happen i honestly think but when you say get worse from what do you mean by worse because actions are coming we need to distract from actually the problem that are affecting france right now which are social and comics problem we have been having like protests and strikes for a year now i think in november and every time we have a social crisis we also have a huge crisis so at some point i think france we need to rethink what is means to be french today and france will have to choice to accept the fact that today its a diverse country open to the world connected to the world and integrate that into society or be backward keep you know putting aside its people and this will play against our country a moment benjamin will have to leave it there thank you both for joining me on the show and coming on the radio thats our show up from will be back next week. A lot of his and huge downpours both rain and snow up in kashmir but you see the clouds disappearing now so what we have had will probably be the end of it even afghanistan looking sunny down is true throughout everywhere to the west always the eastern med were still quite warmer temps in the twentys in turkey so 27. 00 in beirut not just below 30 in baghdad even tehran still hanging on that sort of level but the cloud in southern iran will develop into something in the next day or so in the Arabian Peninsula<\/a> but its left behind this fine looking weather was temperatures barely changed and the winds as yet not that strong so what to watch for well proper right now i think itll start off in southern iran and then probably just clear the emirates on its way towards counts are in eastern side he says as the night sunday even monday this whole like to produce some substantial sunders towards 1st proper rain of the changing season that is all looking fine bit breezy maybe not particularly cold not particularly warm or nice to be on so if you dont the thunderstorms enjoy the blue sky Southern Africa<\/a> of course should be active weather wise and eightys the circulation on saturday so just ignores the fact that in the Southern Hemisphere<\/a> thats an area of High Pressure<\/a> so its a daytime walls for using big thunderstorms in the eastern side of south africa. Every week a new cycle brings this breaking stories. As we tend the cameras on the media in focus on how they would vote on the stories that later. On aljazeera. And the a Supreme Court<\/a> clears the way for a temple to be notified if you should with muslim. Welcome to al jazeera life in my headquarters and with millions of the product also ahead you know i have a desire to prove that this country can be much better when it has a government that doesnt lie as much on twitter as paul said nora does. 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