The moment we have a gap between the 2 camps that is not reconcilable so easily a gap thats not reconcilable you say not months so as i said to many activists any iran reportedly stepped in recently to prevent the ouster of Prime Minister abdel mahdi even though. Sato whose bloc has a large as seats in the parliament wanted. To resign what does this say about the influence of these outside powers and do you agree with to a certain extent that it has to be these powers that intervene in a way to solve this crisis. So theres a bit of a contradiction between what the people are demanding and those that are looking to preserve the system and preserve the government so iran stepped in and there seems to be a coalition of forces that want to keep this system and to keep the Prime Minister in place that includes the Paramilitary Forces but of course that also includes the kurdish parties like the k d p as well as sunni parties so what you really have is that kind of post 2003 order which has been this order of agreement between kurdish and some sunni groups continuing to maintain the system now on the outside of the you have as you mentioned someone like the southern and others smaller opposition groups that are trying to challenge it but they face an uphill battle because at the moment he may have won the elections but he doesnt have enough seats on his own to be able to have a mandate and in fact if the kurdish parties if the sunni parties and if the shia parties all come back together as they did in 2003 they may be able to have the largest block and to kind of keep most of the way right well lets take a closer look at iraqs political system because as we mentioned protesters have been calling for economic reform and old soul for an end to iraqs go to base power sharing political system after Saddam Hussein was toppled in 2003 the government was restructured around a sectarian system it was designed to empower people and parties of his 3 main communities shia sunni and kurds the Prime Minister comes from the shia majority the president is kurdish and the speaker of parliament is sunni but pon im an also been divided along sectarian lines in last years election a shia parties won the most seats followed by sunni and kurdish blocks aidan of the defining feature of these protests i guess is the fact that they would need to call for by it religious authority or another political leader and i guess that says a lot about the way rockys you this political system that governs them and they want to do away with it but can they do away with the system especially when you consider that it has helped to a certain extent reduce sectarian violence in iraq. Well 1st 1st and foremost we have to look at this sectarian notion that were looking at into the Iraqi Parliament when we talk about post sectarian iraq we dont mean pull sectarianism and the most ideological or societal way. To face even exists within the religious and the political blocs in the parliament and in government there is an interest free there is an interest in the rivalry there is a very old and trucker this rivalry and this is an evidence to the people the justification to the people to realize that it wasnt sectarianism that drove politics in iraq it was the it was political interests that utilized the sectarian differences amongst the iraqi people that prevented iraq from developing prevented iraq from having a successful political democracy people in iraq today are protesting against the sectarian regime you are not protesting against that from an ideological perspective theyre protesting against that from an institutional perspective theyre fed up by being governed as sunnis shias kurds they want to be they want to be governed in an equal way as iraqis were through a government that focuses on providing them the right education infrastructure security glower your thoughts on this the iraqi public fed up with sectarian politics and looking for a leader that can unite the country who could this leader be and if not this sectarian based political system then what replaces it. Well they will never find a leader whos beyond that we never had those father figures in iraq but remember iraq is ethno religiously diverse different sects this could have been a richness of the community and the country could have been good for Politics Community as well as economy however the decades of Division Polarization and dictatorship brought us here this far and this new elite that designed the constitution and let politics also further deepen those divisions and militarize did they became the most disappointing the ruling elite but remember when they got together in 2005 they wrote one of the best constitutions that actually was not designed to be sectarian but ignored the fact that iraq is a sectarian divide or ethno religious leader verse so its actually the failure of those so implement the constitution made iraq what it is and now where are we now we have a state that has got actually little control over the state institutions its at least institutionalized country with the rule of law being weak so we go from fragility to a more fragility and therefore if the government the government the president the speaker of the parliament when they are in the forefront and they are seen as representing the establishment they do not any longer command that authority or power over the Security System or with the economy of the budget over the corruption that is ongoing so essentially we are now living in a situation where the state or the legislative or executive leaders are seen as or get the blame and they are confronting the demonstrators but actually the power behind them are the ones that are outside the system of governance so essentially iraq by nature just like lebanon and the rest are diverse but these these divisions have become more deep and polarized as well as militarized any so that the demonstrations in both iraq and lebanon have similar grievances especially when it comes to. So this political system. Do you think in iraq this system can be changed without changing the current constitution which now i mentioned and also how does the product protest movement change the system and not merely the government is how do they do it maybe well 1st of all i think theres a sense of hope that these protests actually present were many people would have easily written iraq off for being a sectarian or ethnic sectarian sort of state and this is what the iraqi leaders were moving towards they created a constitution to promote not sectarianism through politics the people are saying no its and this is where not and we actually want a state that represents us to provide services so there is a bit of hope and so theyre pushing back against sectarianism on the street right now where does this go thats a difficult ellison downright sounds like mission in and who can leave who can unite iraqis which he who is a leader that could unite iraqis is this someone that comes to mind. Well this is a challenge because quite clearly most of iraqs leaders in the elite are not willing to put their job on the line are not willing to play sort of and take a risk and be a leader and kind of represent the people they all kind of think that iraq will continue to muddle through and so Everyone Wants to keep their place in the system until now its hard to find enough devours that its hard to find any real leader emerging who is willing to take a risk is willing to represent the street because that logic that 2003 logic and keep in mind most of the parties and most of the leaders are from that era if you look at the president Prime Minister there from that era there still guided by similar logic some for the kurds some for the sunnis some for them and some for the sheet based on this and the people you know most of the people protesting today are youth they dont even remember saddams time they only remember this hostel so they only remember this isto and so those the leaders cant keep promising and failing to deliver they don your thoughts on this can they can status coal be maintained and you know if there is going to be a change to the political system in iraq what needs to happen in order for that to be achieved well 1st and foremost we need a Transitional Government a Transitional Government that is led by the intellectual elite that could be involved or welcomed by the protesters focusing on having a leadership or a Political Organization that would represent the protesters and in the early stages of the protest movement can be a very dangerous thing to the movement in itself because the movement has been trying to prove itself that its not politicized its not represented by any Regional Power players of players by any or by any Interest Groups so trying to seek a structure that i would define in their leaders that would define their representation can actually make them fall into the chop or being accused by the government that they are already a group that carries its own political agenda by different political part. Yes so i think we should focus on how the protest movement can achieve the 1st steps which would be changing the system getting a Transitional Government that too would exist in a temporary period to ensure that the things that you wish and tell you that relational government say don that you talk about and this intellectual elite that you talk about will it be accepted by the outside powers who again have such huge influence on iraqi politics or not just iran because weve talked about iran but also the United States of course of course all the external players that are involved in the iraqi Domestic Affairs would intervene whenever they find any future politician whom would have conflict conflict and a conflict of interests where there are policies in iraq where this is a part of the protest movement in iraq the protest movement in iraq is against the entire reality in iraq today whether it be the government or the ethnic sectarian quota or the militias or the on the ground or the external factors that are intervening in iraq or Domestic Affairs or canonically and politically this is a part of the of the of the targets and the aims and objectives of the protest movement against the entire reality of the iraqi Domestic Affairs whether it be the external factors whether it be the government or whether it be the religious establishment so in erbil where do you see things heading do you think like many people that the current outbursts of anger will eventually run out of steam and be brought under control or do you think that it still has momentum and could actually lead to some sort of change in iraq. I think it has momentum it will get a little bit worse before it gets better were rockys we know our country and the dynamics locally regionally and globally we have been through this we have history including in kurdistan as well as the the south of iraq at the moment the 2 camps are both very polarized very armed they are backed by forces by theological sources like in niger and as well as in iran the 2 are at the moment not talking and there are interferences or influences from the region so weve got local actors regional actors global actors all intertwined some working via proxy son directly this is actually a recipe for getting into a kind of dissident sending in to more chaos and more violence however there is a way out this could lead to a milestone in changing the system of governance changing the mentality and possibly agreeing a new era but at the moment where the peak of it were nowhere near the end of it it has not ended yet ok but im hopeful that there are efforts at the moment to prevent that level of violence and very much we hope that it will never get that all right we not months or ill give you the last word are you as hopeful as now where and when he see this protest movement heading. So oddly as sort of see whats happening as i speak to different protesters its hard to be hopeful i mean as i say there is hope in some of the messaging and the changing of the post 2003 narratives but what you see are that if the elites are unable to use the promise of reform to try and quell protests some of them are willing to use violence and some of them are willing to work with external actors to maintain the system so its really hard to see that is sort of this is the moving in a positive way when a majority of a good majority of the elites are quite willing to use violence to use to use external intervention to stop the people from having a voice thank you so much will leave it there gentlemen thank you for a very interesting discussion. And a gnats months or and thank you as well for watching you can always watch this program again any time by the sitting our web site at aljazeera dot com for further discussion go to our Facebook Page at facebook dot com for stash a. J. 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Weve just received some information from our sources that you know a local source in the area said that isis has claimed responsibility but we are still waiting for an official announcement we understand but this type of announcements takes time because of the security considerations because of the virus groups trying to coordinate if they have indeed worked together on this major attack they need to coordinate their what they are going to say to the media about the about the attack. Police in hong kong have used tear gas and water cannon to disperse thousands of people who are rallying for the 22nd straight weekend some protesters 3 burning up jets into the roads in a bid to keep riot police away the protests began over proposed changes to extradition laws which have since been scrapped. Palin has more from hong kong im in the heart of Hong Kong Central district earlier this place had hundreds even thousands of protesters taking over the streets setting up barricades taking up vandalizing public property to help block roads and stop traffic here police followed soon after dozens even scores of them firing cannister after canister of tear gas to disperse them not keeping up with the philosophy of be water the protesters have dispersed police have since come after and tried to open up the road. Iraq is have held a ceremony to more than 250. 00 People Killed in protests over the past month hundreds marched in the Southern City of basra more than 10000. 00 people have also been wounded in the rallies against corruption and unemployment the president has promised to hold elections but he hasnt said when and the protests have continued in the trash can name has more. Now in the city of basra it looks like their protests are blocking operations of critical utilities local sources are telling us that protesters and Security Forces in basra have been fighting in front of the room a hoss or port since last evening there was the sit in there and. We understand protesters had been blocking the entrance and halting operations forward to the port for about 6 days Security Forces came in cleared the sit in and thats when local sources told us about 100 people were injured some of them seriously protesters remain there carrying signs that say iran out of iraq e affairs another one a sign being seen is. The Iraqi Government made by iran protesters are upset they say that the ports revenue is being away from their city and leaving them with 4 basic services tens of thousands of people are protesting against pakistans government demanding Prime Minister imran khan resign people involved in the socalled freedom march have gathered in the capital islamabad. 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