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Transcripts For ALJAZ NEWSHOUR 20240713

Anniversary memorial. One year ago at this exact moment 1 14 pm on a tuesday afternoon Jamal Khashoggi journalist father fiance walked into the Saudi Arabian consulate in istanbul to collect papers for his upcoming marriage he never walked out hello im come out santa maria here in istanbul as we examine the murder of Jamal Khashoggi the conspiracy the lies and the injustice. Whatever the seconds it will forever be linked with this city the day that a journalist was silenced in a way few of us could have ever imagined and spunked outrage on an International Scale we are on air for at least the next hour speaking to those closest to show g. To those close to the investigation into his death and to our own correspondents in and around includes. He is outside the saudi consulate were a vigil is being held right now there is Andrew Symonds who is at the turkish Prosecutors Office where the murder file still sits and with me here in our studio correspondent see him closely are you who has been reporting on this story since day one and that is where we are going to start yes there is still crucial pieces of information missing but we also do know a lot about what happened inside the consulate and in the hours before and after so lets begin with this taking us back to october the 2nd 2018 this is how. They began the saudi journalists had just landed from london in the early hours of october the 2nd when his turkish fiance met him at their newly bought apartment it was supposed to be a day like any other. 12 42 pm the couple is seen leaving their compound its less than an hour before she was last seen alive these images captured by a Security Camera show what would be some of their last moments together theyd met in may 2018 and were in the middle of wedding plans but 1st show amount needed saudi government documents to prove he wasnt already married jamal and had these or were supposed to live here he had recently purchased an apartment on the 2nd floor of this building this compound in istanbuls top cop a neighborhood is 16 kilometers from the saudi consulate a 30 minute drive the saudi journalist was hoping for a new beginning in turkey. Jamal planned to divide his time between turkey and the United States where he had been living and selfimposed exile since 2017. As a critic of the saudi government and crown prince muhammad bin salmen who was seen as the effective ruler of the kingdom rather than his aging father hirsch actually always feared for his safety which is why he felt it was risky to visit his countrys consulate the couple had little choice the Marriage Office required those documents the teacher said he feared arrest as had happened to many other saudi journalists but at the same time he didnt believe that anything bad could happen in a Diplomatic Mission or on turkish soil. To make them why we were worried when we 1st went on september 28th they didnt let me in since im not a saudi citizen or his wife so i waited for him outside he gave me his phones as it was our 1st wisit i was watching the entrance exit and the cars he came out 11 45 am after about spending 45 minutes inside he said they received him very well they talked and they offered him tea and coffee he left the consulate very happy so he felt relieved and didnt hesitate going there again the warm reception during the unannounced visit was nothing more than an attempt to lure jamal back he was told to return on october the 2nd their trust was misplaced. We were having breakfast at one of the cafes near our compound he called the authorities at the saudi consulate they told him they were expecting him at 1 oclock around 1225 we got into a taxi to head to the consulate. Partition says jim i wasnt particularly concerned on the way because of the friendly reception he had received days earlier in fact he was more worried about returning some of the appliances bought for their future home both were making plans for the rest of the day little did they know what awaited them planning for shes murder had begun minutes after he 1st visited the Diplomatic Mission 3 days earlier. On october the 2nd inside the consulate the saudi hit squad that arrived from the kingdom in the early hours of that morning were waiting audio recordings obtained by the turkish intelligence and later released to the media gave a detailed account of the preparations and the conversation between a well known saudi forensics doctor so law has to beg and saudi agents matter more to at one o 7 pm just minutes before some al arrived what did be possible to put the trunk in a bag no it is too heavy and very tall to joints will be separated it is not a problem it is the 1st time i am cutting on the ground if we take plastic bags and we cut it into pieces it will be finished we will drop them individually actually i have always worked in cadavers i know how to cut them very well i have never worked with a warm body though but i will manage easily and normally put on your phones and listen to music when i got cadavers after i dismember it you will rub the parts into plastic bags and put them in suitcases and take them out as the animal to be separate fires to arrive and an identified member of the hit squad is then heard saying he is here at one of 14 pm. Walks through the consulate gates it was an image that would be seen around the world it became the last of. A life at around 4 pm had he she started to worry the consulates closing time had passed 30 minutes before of course for the cops and of course the minute i went to the gate of the consulate and told a turkish employee that jamal had gone in but didnt come out i was worried he was going to tell me something bad that person told me that everyone left and no one was inside i thought this person perhaps didnt know or wasnt aware so i called the consulate saying that i was waiting outside the gate. The person on the phone asked where i was and after i told him at the main gate we didnt 3 minutes this person came out and told me there was no one inside they told me i was wrong but everyone left for the day and there was no point waiting. But who was the only witness to her partners disappearance state she called the scene after i an old friend of her mouth and a high ranking official in turkeys ruling ak party. Sorry she called me at exactly 4 41 pm which was 3 hours and 25 minutes after he went inside i called the saudi ambassador in ankara he said thats awkward i will call the consulate to see whats happened and i will call you back so he never called me back i called again and he didnt pick up my call so i sent a text message but he didnt reply i realized it was beyond his power force and i want to. She was already dead murdered by agents of his countrys government at 3 o 7 pm Surveillance Video shows vehicles with diplomatic license plates leaving the consulate it is believed the journalists body parts were in suitcases and taken to the consul generals residence 200 meters away its not known how they disposed of the remains so in the International Media converged outside the saudi consulate after word spread that she went missing days passed then the 59 year old never walked out of that building the case became an International Incident at 1st saudi officials insisted she. Left the building days later the saudi consul general opened closet and electrical panels in front of the cameras to prove how shocked she was not in sight his actions through global outreach. I but i could i would like to confirm that the citizen jamal is not at the consulate nor in the kingdom of saudi arabia and the consulate and the embassy are working to search for him and we are worried about his case was one of them. Then that also we are slowly getting in a war in iraq with saudi officials continued to give conflicting explanations until they were forced to acknowledge the murder weeks later audio recordings provided details of jamals final moments his murder and dismemberment of his body he was politely taken to the consul general this office on the 2nd floor where his killers were waiting for him more trip a senior saudi Intelligence Officer told him he must return to riyadh please sit we have to take you back there is an order from enterable you enter paul demanded you will be returned we are here to take you there are no lawsuits against me my fiance is waiting outside for me what to ask me to send a message to his son telling him not to worry if he is not heard from what should i say see you soon all right nothing how can this happen in an embassy righted mr drama how do you up help us so we can help you because in the end well take you to saudi arabia and if you dont help us you know what will happen in the end at 133 pm i noticed a towel when you drug me we will put you to sleep a plastic bag was then put over his head then there were sounds of struggling as well as commands keep pushing dont remove your hand. Last words were a plea to his killers not to cover his mouse i have asked him or do not do it ill suffocate. At 1 39 pm the sound of what turkish authorities have said is a chainsaw being used to dismember the body of. Could be heard the operation had lasted less than half an hour a journalist father fiance had been murdered an International Scandal was just beginning Sen Al Jazeera istanbul so yes joining us here in our studio is simple so you are istanbul correspondent so its a year to the moment effectively. At what point on either of these stay october 2nd or 3rd did you find out the news and then begin reporting on it well come out actually on october the 2nd in Late Afternoon everybody heard about i mean the officials heard about your mouth to shoot you not getting out of the consulate building because. Forms of turkish officials we all know the story and we watched and. News package but you know that when somebody is missing theres always the hope that 1st there was a hole maybe he was taken out to somewhere else for interrogation or Something Else but he could have. He could see him from somewhere and so on the 2nd day it was obvious that something was exactly going wrong and everybody everybody got serious but since that since the very for small meant jamal to being good journalists and x. And living in this situation was the news line so and so it just to be clear you heard about his disappear i mean youre saying the officials got the news when you and other media are actually given most of us heard it in the later in the emmy. And we started doing our lives as owners who are english the 2nd day Early Morning from in front of the consulate there were some very few are big media who reported at night on the very 1st day which is october the 2nd but jamal being a journalist and not getting out of that consulate was a big news of mourning because mohamed bin soundman the crown prince already took some other businessmen that he detained them in a 5 star hotel in riyadh for it didnt bring it is sound but a journalist experiencing such a situation it was the new assignment on the very 2nd day in the hopes were gone actually and remember we talked about that yesterday as well with you on the 2nd day we heard from some of his. Friend that he was killed already and his body parts were cut into pieces and taken out from the consulate so when i heard that i said this is going to be a very big. Story and this is going to be a very big case that all human rights organizations and journalists will be chasing after and what do you remember of that day we turned as we remember the big stories which which we were what do you remember you started doing the live reports and then you start feeling ok this is this is not right this is not normal this is something different. That one of the things that i can share is that when i went in front of the consulate building on october 3rd it Early Morning i met the teacher how did you was there. She was she was like she was like a soldier waiting on duty in front of the consulate but she was also trying to help the press as well she was trying to inform them as well and i saw her face and the there was Something Like a hole in her face because at that time we knew that tomorrow you went inside but no one saw them coming out so as i said there was a kind of hope until we heard about some rumors aback at the time at 1st the story was a conspiracist story of journalists being kidnapped or etc but then when everything came up that ugly truth came up that he was killed in that khans laid the story became like a thriller couldnt quite believe it could very. Soon and thank you for now were going to talk to cinema again a little bit later on when were joined by another guest but cinnamon did refer to her tutoring goes there a little bit earlier of course jamals fiance this story was just supposed to be about paperwork for the 2 getting the paperwork they needed for their wedding. So weve got this report now. Excuse me about well actually weve got the interview weve got an interview with her teaching as i spoke to relive a bit earlier and just got her as ive done with the same to explain how the day began for. This time last year i was very excited jamal and i were going to apply for the marriage process jamal was about to come back from a couple of days abroad i had done some shopping for our house it was a very exciting process things were moving so fast that we were about to complete all the procedures for the marriage because the circumstances were right. Jamal was willing to i was willing there were only minor procedures we had to complete and we were anxious about phase 2 when we woke up that morning there was no worry or bad feeling in my mind or heart this was not our 1st time there jamal was also very comfortable we had not even talked about whether or not we should go to the consulate i just asked him who he would be going there with and he told me a friend he didnt give me the name at that moment i was a bit worried thinking he would go alone i had classes so i canceled them and joined jamal because he had visited 4 days beforehand i think on the 28th of september what was the reception he got that day you went in and everything was ok yeah i thought. That was it happened a bit spontaneously because we 1st visited the turkish minister pelletier on the day jamal wanted to hear from doth or to some self exactly what happens when needed boys that jamal didnt want to go to the consulate himself for these papers he was trying to figure out if you could get the papers from somewhere else or if we could get married without the papers tomorrow absolutely did not want to go to the consulate to me disparity day told him the procedure was that he had to get the necessary papers either from saudi arabia or their consulate here and once he heard that jamal said lets try and then we went to the consulate together on the way jamal was very worried but of course i did not really grasp how deep his worries were looking back his fears all make sense but on the day i could not guess what could happen he did that but i just asked him what are the what is worrying you so much and i said we didnt have to go he said we must for the papers i asked him what could be the worst thing that could happen he said he didnt want to see the bad face of saudi arabia but he said maybe they would take us passport from him or maybe detain him so i told him that since i was going there with him and we would be together such things would not happen for. He agreed maybe he got the strength from me or because he really wanted to get married he took the risk i dont know but after you came out of that visit he told me that there was shock inside everyone was very surprised to see him and they offered him coffee and tea they spent 45 minutes talking he left the consulate very relaxed and happy after that visit their day told him he would need to come back because it would take some time for the papers to be prepared jamal himself told them that he had a short trip that he was going to make abroad and come back he gave that information to them himself and the rest we all know so tell me then about this past year for you obviously it has brought you a lot of support not just in turkey but International Support but i also wonder about the negative effect on you has have there been threats made against you has your life become more difficult in the past year even with all that support off the wall for the phone number you mentioned that i got International Support to be frank there was only International Media support International Media really stood behind this and the world learned of jamal and how he was a very good journalist but there was no other office to International Support whatsoever neither from europe the European Union countries nor america there was no government level support if youre talking about media sports yes but turkey in that sense was left alone politically and legally the process continued then only because of turkeys efforts and risk all the marks report and efforts have we got to where we are now that on a personal level what happened is something that nobody can even imagine but you asked me how that last day started for me well this is something that nobody can even think about or explain with words that there is 180 degree change in my life last year on the day i was a woman who nobody knew about and who only wanted to get married to jamal now jamal is gone and with you here we are trying to figure out what happened to jamal. On a personal level i developed a social phobia about how people will react and how davil perceive me i have this fear of being in crowds i distanced myself from people i chose to be alone because of security reasons they gave me a bodyguard that changed my life so much. Im normally a conservative person im not used to these things and nobody in my close circle is used to these things that i never thought that my life would be like this but from the last year to where we are now im happy that this case is still being talked about and pushes it yes weve lost jamal but at least hes not forgotten the search for justice is still continuing my personal discomfort or the psychological suffering will get better i know even though i started to

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