Striking scenes in hong kong where prodemocracy protests ended their 11th consecutive weekend as crowd numbers swell will china intervene to quell the armrest and for me ok im ali and youre in the stream to death or come up with your thoughts in our live you tube channel. Our 1700000 people watched down hong kong streets on sunday undeterred by rain and the heavy Police Presence the protocol scuse me the prodemocracy protests was the largest in weeks with activists estimating that a quarter of hong kongs population was in attendance the demonstration was largely peaceful but Hong Kong Police say more than 750 people have been arrested this summer since a mass protest against an extradition bill erupted in june but legislation has been tabled but unrest continues as activists push to preserve hong kongs autonomy from Mainland China hong kongs government said it will be gained sincere dialogue with protest as once everything has calmed down by using however is growing impatient with the protests which Officials Say are hurting chinas image and causing economic damage paramilitary troops are massing near hong kongs border and officials warned that further on rest could prompt a Swift Intervention so can the government of china and activists in hong kong reach a peaceful resolution but joining us to discuss todays topic is agnes shouting a leading member of prodemocracy group still in hong kong. Also with us from hong kong a district councilor of the Democratic Alliance for the betterment and progress of hong kong also known as. And finally we have mary hoya Hong Kong Based reports of the courts we also reached out to more than a dozen chinese officials to join this program but nobody was available thanks for joining us the ladies start online but the pictures of what was a really massive protest scene on august 18th this was on sunday. May may ying was there and these are a few things she shared on her feed a woman pleads with protesters to get off the bridge some urging each other to leave to preserve todays peaceful protests another one here this protester came to cover her with an umbrella while she took pictures because 1000001700000 estimated number were out there even though it was raining and she sent us a video comment about what she saw the protests and heres what she told the stream. Was really a much needed period of relief until theyre sent to all of the violence at the airport last weekend because especially when midnight on sunday near people were waiting to see whether hong kong to get through the entire weekend without gas and almost like a strange kind of new years eve countdown so in the end there was no sure but it still remains to be seen whether this is a new trend or just a brief respite. This what was witnessing those protests like for you. Actually i was a participant and i you know i have been a participant in this movement from journalists here now and i can say that hong kong people have tried different kinds of methods to fight for our 5 demands from the Hong Kong Government but until now governments to pretend to be not listening not listen to. Our fire and also their violence our police is as go lading day by day im just going to have a look at the little picture behind me is this going to come up any 2nd now and you will see it they will go all of these people on sunday protesting who do you think they are who you know that they are and theyre just everyone i have friends there as well i think one of the things this is a big relief for me sunday i actually smiled after the protests because they everybodys out loads of soaking feeds me be happily holding their hats you see each photo was actually on land that means everybody gone to the protests and then these fleet went so i was really happy to see those pictures as news going on so i think it would be good i mean that will last more for the government to think where or how does she respond to those 5 demands rather than focusing on violence if it continues to. The rest of the other a range has i think is. What are your friends telling you that they were that today why are they on the streets to hong kong or they are very like. I have a lot of friends that see. Similar groups as well as well at this moment those 5 the monsters that increase strong i think. One of the things that while you do have people that was time maybe strong and then you do have other friends saying well. The only things that im trusting is the penn station looking busy into this incident so i think theres a lot of people having different demands but and there thats meant to have genuine reply from the government but i think at the moment one thing that was challenging for the government stepped this movement this time is pretty different from the Umbrella Movement few years back happened this time you dont have a lot of states coming out to say ok we represent the people so if you want to die a lot you can come to me this time is more like everybodys playing their role. Those werent very good at doing design youre helping out free he and like that ok it might be hard if you go into this conversation like who the government should go or maybe they should have rounds and rounds and rounds and. I havent seen the next thing i think any think that now that this is true that it isnt even. We havent really seen the government really make. It looks like we might have lost marys sound and so why we tried to bring her back i want to pick up on the point you were making nixie about it being a Leaderless Movement and yet even given that the demand seems to be pretty clear amongst protesters so this from eric on twitter who says we as hong kong are stand firm on our 5 demands official withdrawal of the extradition bill amendments were trashing retraction of a government characterization of the june 12th assembly named as a riot an independent commission of inquiry to investigate Police Violence amnesty for all arrested protesters and universal suffrage for chief executive of the whole legislature were not demanding separation or independence in this movement so the 5 demands are there and theyre posted many places online activists seem to be pretty clear on them agnes he started though with the extradition bill talk to us about how we went from protests about an extradition bill to what weve seen today. Actually were fight against the extradition agent f. L. And because if the extradition bill is passed and the legislative can so people could be extradited to the Mainland China. You know you know china is a country with any kind of real floor transparency and it would be very dangerous to hong kong people and also to the system of hong kong to the legal system one country 2 systems of hong kong is how can people or if a foreign or you know chatter thats coming that could be sensitive and make china but when the firelands of the police. Has been escalating this 2 or 3 months how come people to not only to mount 40 retraction of the complete retraction arctics tradition lol but also an independent investigation over the fire that some police and also the most important thing is a democratic system of Democratic Political system and universal suffrage and will come very great jump in there elizabeth 2 will be the contacts that we can jump back a little bit to choose and we 1st had a 1000000 people march on the 9th of june and demanding that we go on and off a 1000000 people to the streets we really had no response. From the government and the government had insisted on pushing forward with the 2nd reading the bill which was the next step me legislative process that then eventually all went to plan and it wasnt until that fall when the ones they when things when clashes happen here yes and fly a little its well fired that a few days later the governments that are now suspended. So it seems like the government tacitly implicitly or not and intentionally or not assumes the absence of think want that peaceful protests to tame. This one to anything. And i wonder if the government. Needs to take responsibility for how much the escalation has come about because of the message and. What do you think. I think we need to also look. Honestly i mean the government is definitely not doing well a lot of people used to i know that weve used to do you support kerry last just very its one that moment but i think the bottom deuce is not only. Happening in july it happened hes starting something what should a lot of like there were starting. Bars taken from the road census taken off and just like battling and then later on theres like. That so we cannot just say well police were using bollards and not the not the other protesters i think one thing that we have from any camp its just stop use violence which is why im so happy whats happening on sunday so nobodys using violence anymore and that it will actually be more powerful than using bouncers because the government can always responses say well this is about as im not going to sponsor and next thing you make a point i should say to. Anyone whos following the hong kong protests i know who carry is if youre just stepping in county lamb is the chief executive officer have a look here on my laptop i recommend you follow all of our guests on twitter but mary hawley in particular has the scintillating details of what the protesters are up to how the protests are going mary says here h. K. Protect the online store for protest care announced today that the mainland Chinese Police have confiscated. A number of goods including gas small helmets and the own as a now raising funds so they can refund unfilled orders and said that they are closing shop maybe this speaks to how prepared the protesters are what they feel that they are going up against is it the police that are going up against is it the police whos frontin carry them all is it government officials who are they battling right now i suppose really the movement has been the defense of one in the sense that it really started out by with people all the money that this would go that this would be what you want because they see it as an attack on freedoms and liberties so in that sense i think this has been really fanning together and drawing on barriers different sectors of society and drawing on professional skills as you see with us hong kong protect website i spoke to. 2 of their members that were volunteers and they really just come in together people blocking a Marketing Business on t. V. To put together this online store which im sure we can all appreciate. Its complicated logistically so i think people are now just banding together to try and respond to all these various needs and seeing what needs to be done rather than going to want and want to target and going back to this point and the point about this being a meatless movement i think that is kind of the most fascinating thing for me as an observer as a journalist of some of the so far is that it is such a. Movement and you do see so many different. Sectors of society trying to chime in and it has been truly a creative one also. Nixie you mentioned the violence being on both sides and so it only being there to look at and there are some online who are saying some group of protestors have apologized for that and have said that that is not part of their movement or it shouldnt be held of their movement but others say that it came after Police Violence and i want to share this from sharon on twitter he says one of our 5 demands is to have an independent inquiry into Police Conduct Hong Kong Police have been using Excessive Force against protesters in different protests since june and these need to be stopped do you see that happening the inquiry into Police Conduct. I think that might have and after what the normal procedure is to think governments up piece wrong on. At this moment on various occasions and you come up to talk my myspace be on well we have a parent system on looking into do you. Think the police force any any complaint that they have a little. Not not like a bureau but they have this commission to talk about that this is going to look into it and you go she its an all busy or investigate that so i think the government to be standing strong on going on this normal procedure before that. But i think on the other side when were talking about a purchaser we also knew sort of looking into a lot of the of the hong kong as well of those of those who are actually against this protest i think one of the things that they are mainly focusing on is that amnesty part i talked to a lot of friends including myself those are no 3 with the amnesty on all the protests all of devices i think at this point as mentioned by various speakers here a lot of the violence we use excessive violence we use and those once shouldnt represent the normal protesters and when the balance of using up its up to this level maybe amnesty shouldnt be a solution shouldnt be one of the demands of ospel. And this is the hands. In the hands how the normal procedure after complaining is obvious and this is actually not 6 not a realistic way that. Protesters or even journalists who were not have by police could follow because the pull this of this is now they are actually often hiding their own numbers are even hiding their appearance so that no one even life. Or a late. Protesters who are being. Recently thats had by police couldnt identify couldnt complain anything about Police Officers thats why these kinds of socalled normal procedure to complain Police Officers fire like a ready use and i think its very you know you know i mean the same as saying theres no numbers reference on the this mans who are you going to sue for you dont have a number and theyre swallowed so also hiding that i was using mosques i think. Because Police Weapons that holding guns legally holding tear gas legally and they are also illegal every one of the love polls all while. Yes i think we have expanded into the situation i need to say im willing to listen he can understand she going to. Put a pause on this for now because without a thorough investigation and an unbiased investigation there is its very difficult to prove what youre both saying unfortunately i do want to share some reporting that mary did with quartz in hong kong almost everyone everywhere including pay pets getting tear gassed let me show you how some protesters are dealing with this fascinating to watch this online thank you mary for sharing this so you dont even have to be able to read all the details are they still just have to get a watch it we have a tear gas canister. Protesters approaching. Its a very creative approach. Fascinating tactics about how they are dealing with how the police are dealing with then mary as youre reporting or of this how would you sum up the polices approach right now. Right. Undoubtedly we have seen. A large amount of heat ses the magnitude it was of magnitude more than what we saw in 2014 and then people whove just been caught in the fray have had to take into your gas right and i think there is a valley very valid question there as to whether police really need to use this much gas and whether. It is achieving any of the intended effect because the protesters that they are looking to no longer respond. To tear gas because they forgot masks and so at that point i think a lot of people being affected are the elderly its the hong kong is very compact thats a poor place place and so it ends up seeping into homes. Getting into each 3 it does add to the tension and spills over beyond just the protest site so i think undoubtedly there is a lot of. The and anger being felt by by everyone and kind of what weve seen is the government say everything needs to return to normal to kind of peacefully orderly manner of things before dialogue and then inquiry can happen but has there been a chicken and egg issue there because do you see tensions escalating because there is no dialogue and the government is saying we cannot have dialogue until were tensions are really a could have really cool down so i think there needs to be some kind of at least some kind of show of faith i think from both sides and so far i think weve seen. Very very peaceful march sunday i think that has been showcasing the protests the side we havent quite seen the same from the government because that the kind of Immediate Response weve been in the statement has been that the government regrets this public to the tea. Organize them some day characterized as. Little assembly we can technically there was no commission launching it was a march. With a. Government and expressed regret. Logan Police Misconduct so we were looking very much action i dont think and i think thats. An. Interesting point that you made about the negotiations because were hearing that from people online too so i want to share 2 comments one on twitter and the other on the you tube this is troy on twitter who says you only negotiate with a party who has almost the same power as you do but in this case hong kong is not chinas equal therefore china will be stooping so low if they negotiate i believe there wont be any negotiation so keeping that in mind weve got this live on you tube robert sighs i still think china was playing the long game and knew that eventually china would take hong kong and get rid of the one country 2 systems thats of course the system that is in place now agnes keeping in mind those 2 comments about negotiations and moving this forward where do you see them going. They. Were going to get a great kid xscape from their responsibility. And so theyre very real its political problem that is created by actually government carol and caroline themselves and it is actually a response answer listen to the 5 demands of the protest says that is actually very very clear that we advocate or from june. I want to talk about it before we wrap up this conversation a very unusual press conference a Media Conference that was helped by the Chinese Ambassador to the United Kingdom his press corps precipices of iran are ready to take questions read to have those questions on said in english so bang that all in mind this happened in last thursday and perhaps it is an indication of what might happen next have a look the Central Government of china would never allowed a few violent offenders to drag Hong Kong Dong a dangerous. Dangerous a base should the situation in hong kong be curated further into unrest and control or the government of the hung come special Administrative Region the Central Government would not sit on its hands and watch we have enough solutions and you know how far we can the limits of basic law to quell any and rest swiftly larionov solutions what could those solutions be. I think theres been a lot of strong signalling from the government from the Chinese Government and relatedly Peoples Liberation army theyve sent out to motion video is now showing. The military and a military quelling. And protest as i think at the same time it seems to me that it will be a very very closely the session one china to make the senate of the troops not to mention that theyre already troops stationed and hong kong and they have been there for years so any i think it seems to me that all of this is. If i might say saber rattling and sending a strong signal that there is acute ability fortunate its troops but. It would be a very very costly this is what everyone will show make up this from 80 floors who says its in beijings interested keep these protests about the extradition bill rather than the overall status of hong kong within the Chinese State otherwise they risk this protest becoming it Independence Movement which is an interesting point. And nick see in just one sentence because were almost out of time here is it too late is this already an Independence Movement. I think. We see a lot of oh im still. Like those black on the keys lights you know it all and all that i know its just you know they dont have those events yet is no independent about it i mean thats you know so you guys are mostly on the right there. 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