Transcripts For ALJAZ The Colour Of The Chameleon 20240714 :

Transcripts For ALJAZ The Colour Of The Chameleon 20240714

That there could be enough evidence in the report to indict the president after he is removed from office so the report does seem to suggest that it has that power im actually surprised that other democrats havent picked up on that but perhaps well see that once they return from the hearing once they gather recoup and try to answer that question and we might see the republicans starting to get worried that the democrats will go in that way which is why we see them really ramping up their attempts to de legitimated the report and also butlers reputation and to try to suggest that he had perhaps more sinister desires or that he was favoring clinton or count or dislike trump while he was making a report. All right thats fascinating i think that is the point to watch out for thanks so much elizabeth are going to watch out for that as they come back from the break and they continue for now thank you for your analysis lets take you back to the United Kingdom of course where weve got a changing of the guard of sorts going on at Buckingham Palace to resume a has resigned as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom moments ago she met Queen Elizabeth to tend to her resignation. Shes now driven out of Buckingham Palace. And shes made way for the new conservative Party Leader Boris johnson who is now we understand actually at Buckingham Palace now looking at pictures a little bit earlier where she gave a speech downing street just before she left for the queen may wish her successor Boris Johnson well she also hoped to inspire others as britains 2nd female Prime Minister. Thank you for putting your faith in me and giving me the chance to say. This is a country of aspiration and opportunity. And i hope that every young girl who has seen a woman Prime Minister now knows for sure that there are no limits to what they can achieve. Well lets cross over now to westminster jonah hall is live for us where are we at right now in this process jonah. Not long i suspect now sunday before we see Boris Johnson Prime Minister baraks johnson making his 1st comments at the podium outside downing street there put together a little bit of flesh people will hope on the bones of his plan to take britain out of the European Union come what may do or die deal or no deal by october the 31st let me bring in my guest in delhis with me as he has been for the last few hours a conservative commentator a talk show host on l b c radio thanks for still being with us here lets reflect for a quick moment though to resume a she has now left downing street. What can we say about a dog good defiant determined but ultimately a Prime Minister whose time was dominated by breaks it and who failed to deliver an answer very accurate summary im not sure one need to delve to that very actually. When she came into the office she had the devil of a job to make bricks at work she had voted remain people on the bright side of the argument didnt really trust her russian that weakening the trust in her declined over the months because i didnt see the the negotiation strategy was likely to work and ultimately she was a failure on said but as she has left on the street now i mean as we speak johnson is meeting the queen he probably now he probably has kissed hands as they say and he now is a Prime Minister and so lets just reflect on the fact that she wasnt a total failure she was on drugs said but she does have some achievements to name essentially on things like Domestic Violence legislation on anti slavery legislation 90 f. G. M. Legislation so and i think she has proved an inspiration to many women shes only our 2nd female Prime Minister the final thing that she said at the end of his creech in downing street basically said to all the young girls in this country see it is possible for a woman to become Prime Minister and i remember that if i go and of margaret thatchers premiership my 8 year old niece said to me uncle ian is it possible for a man to be Prime Minister and thats how thats how young girls need to think in this country now and quite a contrast with the successor of course Horace Johnson in terms of personality in terms of approach even though they both will have premierships largely defined by the brics it what do we expect broadly speaking of course johnson not what is the party expect i think were going to get what weve seen over the last few weeks Boris Johnson to quote his opponent jeremy hunt peddling optimism now theres a lot to be said for that in a politician Ronald Reagan is seen as one of the most successful american president s partly because he was so optimistic morning in america remember all of that rest. Now in a sense it was quite meaningless but it gave everyone a sense of uplift in this country at the moment is very divided not just on burke said but many other things i think people could do with a bit of a not without rhetoric its got to come to the perseverance the dont get determination to succeed and he knows that if you doesnt succeed in getting us out of the e. U. Thats what he will be defined by as well and interesting to note in as well in terms of comparing the 2 that to reason may. Remain hot was not necessarily always entirely in the leave project even though she dedicated herself to break said Boris Johnson by contrast fronted believe campaign he is breaks it well there are many people that think if he hadnt done not leave might not have won because he was so influential in that campaign. His cabinet which we will learn about the siege knowing its going to be seen as probably the most right wing cabinet in british history far more right wing the most of which has ever was but he needs people who believe in the project the problem with trees im able she had to devise a cabinet right from the beginning that she tried to unite the party she tried to bring all wings of the party into the cabin ive been in and youve got to have people who are going to support your policy to take to you and greg said so i expect the cabinet to be ram full of people who support change and before we go in i mean an ideologically united cabinet of course doesnt buy Boris Johnson passage through parliament with the sort of bricks of that he ones what are the chances that we see an election before we see bricks. Before we see by suicide was less than 5050 off the day whether or not were out at the very noon i think the chances of an election in november leaving early december are quite high because if we dont leave that will be i think probably a vote of confidence from the opposition if we do you really are as john said would want to capitalize on that and if it safely. Have an election too so you can get a proper mature a scene that will leave it there thanks very much for your time so Boris Johnson in all likelihood as we speak has become Prime Minister and will shortly be back at downing street to give his very 1st address as british Prime Minister back to you he will indeed journey if i could keep you on the spot there for a minute though the British Press has been talking about of course amongst other things the process of forming a new cabinet brings up to speed. With that process. Well and probably bring him back in is still there hes going to be making his cabinet announcements later the sea feeling or all of them i suspect possibly by i dont know to be fair whether he will make all of these announcements this evening will he i think youd like to but just because you understand me and hes holding out were not necessarily sure where it where hes going to go and if one of the top people says oh thats you know i dont want to do the projects or possible making a cabinet and i dont think well get all of them tonight he will get all of the top ones maybe 10 or dozen but the all this will come early tomorrow morning because the cabinet needs to be sworn in tomorrow afternoon and then have its 1st meeting and how important this pledge of those that we heard about over the last 48 hours or so this pledge that to Boris Johnson will require of senior cabinet ministers to support the idea of a no deal breaks it should it come about and indeed that being the reason why a number of senior cabinet ministers under to reason may was so determined to resign before being pushed because they said just werent prepared to do that i think its incredibly important that he does do that its an old thing to in many ways its not really seen as a very british thing to do to demand total utter loyalty in that way but hes seen whats happened to theresa may its been death by a 1000 resignations and its i think she lost about 50 people from her government not just my cabinet but from the lower ranks as well over 3 years you cant govern like that its impossible to have a what she would call a strong. In stable government with people resigning at the time so i think hes absolutely right to do it but it will be people like amber rod what the former home secretary now work and pensions secretary has always been seen as an avid remain a she has now said that she would be willing to sign up so much of the annoyance of some of her remaining colleagues that he may still in other words be able to have a cabinet perhaps not equally or evenly balanced but containing some old remains sent to me or signed up to into a new way i think there will be a smattering of people who are not sort of signed up Boris Johnson fans but it will be a smattering and what about that idea we discussed earlier. That there may be a number 456 tory m. P. s willing to jump ship to defect to another party possibly the liberal democrats and were waiting to see just how dedicated Boris Johnson is to the idea of keeping a no deal breaks it possibility open before deciding to do so if they look at this cabinet as we expect it to be packed with bricks city is brick city or ultras as some may call them mightnt that push some people across over the edge to to defect and kill the majority of the thin majority that hes got it could do but its a very big thing to defect from another policy a slight leaving a try and politics in this country is very tribal people tend to circle the wagons in times of political trouble maybe have one or 2 that ill believe it when i see it though ok and there we shall leave it here and back to you and as we await our 1st glimpse of Prime Minister Boris Johnson thanks so much jonah and we are indeed waiting for the 1st glimpses of who will now emerged as Prime Minister baraks johnson were looking at pictures there of the car with him to take him back after his meeting with the queen and as i said he will then be the new Prime Minister of Great Britain were following 2 stories here in algeria join us in a very busy hour lets take you to the other very important developing story happening on the other side of the atlantic where. Special counsel is testifying before. Im concerned about it and i dont think its entirely speculative now if something is not entirely speculative that it must have some factual basis but you identify no factual basis regarding the dossier or the possibility that was part of the rush of this Information Campaign now Christopher Steeles reporting is referenced in your report still reported to the f. B. I. That Senior Russian Foreign Ministry figures among with other along with other russians told him that there was and im quoting from the steel dossier extensive evidence of conspiracy between the Truck Campaign team and the kremlin so heres my question did russians really tell that to Christopher Steele or did he just make it all up and was he lying to the f. B. I. Let me back up a 2nd if i could say as i said earlier. With regard to the steel. Thats beyond my purview no it is exactly your purview director muller and heres why only one of 2 things is possible right either steal made this whole thing up and there were never any russians telling him of this vast criminal conspiracy that you didnt find or russians lied to steal now for russians were lying to steal to undermine our confidence in our duly elected president that would seem to be per syslog your purview because you stated in your opening that the organizing principle was to fully and thoroughly investigate russias interference but you were interested in whether or not russians were interfering there Christopher Steele and if steele was lying then you should have charged him with lying like you charge of right of other people but you say nothing about this in your report well pearl meanwhile director youre quite well question is on other topics you write 3500 words about the june 9 meeting between the Trump Campaign and russian lawyer doesnt that scalia you write on page 103 of your report that the president s legal team suggested and im quoting from your report that the meeting might have been a set up. By individuals working with the firm that produced the steel reporting so im going to ask you a very easy question director mueller on the week of june not hooted a russian lawyer vessel thats got to meet with more frequently the Trump Campaign or Glenn Simpson who is functionally acting as an operative for the Democratic National committee what i think is missing here is the fact that this is under investigation of it and elsewhere and just as i got a bad head if i can finish or and if i can finish or and consequently its not within my purview department of justice and f. B. I. Should be responsive to questions on this particular issue it is absurd to suggest that a operative for the democrats was meeting with this russian lawyer the day before the day after the trump tower meeting and yet thats not something you referenced Glenn Simpson testified under oath he had dinner with vessel and skyla the day before and the day after this meeting with the trump team do you have any basis as you sit here today to believe that steele was lying as i said before and say again its not my purview other very best to getting what you so its not your other view to look into whether or not steeles line its not your purview to look into whether or not anti trump russians are lying to steal and its not your purview to look at whether or not Glenn Simpson was meeting with the russians the day before the day after you write 3500 words about the Trump Campaign meeting so im wondering what how did how these decisions are guided i look at the inspector generals report im citing from page 4 of 4 of the inspector generals report it states page stated trumps not ever going to be president right right struck replied no hes not will stop it also in the inspector generals report theres someone identified as attorney number 2 attorney number 2 this is page 419 replied hell no and then added vivaah resistance attorney number 2 in the inspector generals report instruct both worked on your team didnt say. That he has both worked on your team didnt say. I heard struck who else were you talking about attorney number 2 identified in the inspector generals report. And you question what you work for you the guy who said peter struck work at work for me for a period of time yes yeah but so did the other got this at the ball resistance and heres one kind of noticing director muller when People Associated with trump why you threw the book at him when Christopher Steele was nothing and so it seems to be that when Glenn Simpson met with russians not then when the Trump Campaign met with russians 3500 words and maybe the reason why there are this discrepancies in what you focused on the bottom of the gentleman is just hired to stop jeffries of new york is recognized as the mother obstruction of justice is a serious crime that strikes at the core of an investigative effort to find the truth correct. The crime of affection of justice has 3 elements true true the 1st element is an obstructive act correct correct and im struck the fact could include taking an action that would delay and to fear with an Ongoing Investigation as set forth in volume 2 page 8788 of your report true. Im sorry could you again repeat the question in obstructive could include taking an action that would delay or interfere with an Ongoing Investigation tro your investigation found evidence that President Trump took steps to terminate the special counsel correct correct that i miss the malo does ordering determination of the head of a criminal investigation constitute in obstructive act that would be. Let me refer you to the report and let me refer you to page 87. 88 of volume 2 where you conclude the attempt to remove the special counsel would qualify as an obstructive act if it would natura

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