War is after the there in support of the gate leading to a meeting where the conduct of the drug war. Recently in the midterm elections you have former or the face of the drug war former police chief ronald but all the lead also on winning the 5th spot. In the contest or. This fight paving go read a lot making. Production and the surface of the groove of raising remain high actually surprising even in the last this week the flu is the 4th who were. Among. The demographic that suffered the most from the drug war so if i may you find me. There but really we need to i think you said just the minds of a lot of people these simple screen popularity of a president said justification or justifies or excuses out in some thousands of murders that were seeing i mean no one is disputing that he is popular he is extremely popular because filipinos have grown sick and tired of the old ways of doing politics in the country and he presented himself as the solution to many of our problems not just on the drugs but to confuse popularity a widespread support and worse an endorsement or a justification for the drug war i think its just extremely. Curious and i think thats just not you know it just flies in the face of the many sufferings of the people that were seeing. I want to know i am not in any way. Or just a part of his popularity or were you know the excesses in the news as the. Things like those. Really mar the complaint and i actually look forward to the next 3 years actually moved over to their help and the more that we have lived a good aspect. And probably right may become more you may try to rein in this when the excesses of police and Law Enforcement behind an illegal drug operation i think into actually in the survey and if i may i just want to push you along a little bit because the numbers even though the to speak to for the number of civilian deaths these are the numbers and the instances of human rights alleged abuses as well made the u. N. Human Rights Council say we need to be investigating what is happening in the philippines on the war on drugs jamila do you want to take us into what exactly are they able to do if anything. Well ill leave that up to carlos was been part of you know has been closely following the u. N. Human rights in the regions over the past few months but what i can just say when we talk speak of the popularity of the president so many surveys in the past actually do say that the general filipino public do approve of the need for the campaign against drugs however not everybody and majority of them do not agree with the killings that have been committed by police and that the majority of those who have been surveyed do feel that they may be a victim to extrajudicial killings so thats quite telling when we speak of popularity when we speak of surveys we need to do and look into the context of the questions and the kind of answers that were given by those who have been surveyed i just wanted to add to that based on my coverage of the governments reaction of you know Foreign International organizations coming in to investigate they have always been dismissive of organizations coming in to investigate you can rights watch on this international perhaps the e. U. They have always said that this is basically interference and that much has is being done to prosecute those. People or government officials in question so i think their reaction when they that you and human Rights Council decision came out and the reaction of the government was quite expected they were dismissive and they were even actually contemplating on cutting diplomatic ties with iceland i mean that was a Statement Released yesterday by the government spokesperson. We just got this come and live in and here you are there carlos ill give this to you because we just got this coming in live on you tube this is going to loop flores who says polls are easy to manipulate and this is picking up on the point that you are making with lucio about opinion polls and support and popularity. Theyre easy to manipulate especially in a country that doesnt have strong election systems the question is whether or not filipinos believe drug use and addiction has gone down with this. What do we know about drugs and addiction well if you if you listen to the government theyre contradicting themselves basically because theyre saying that drug use in the philippines remains the same and in fact theyre saying that its. Probably Illegal Drugs and use. Actually worse and so you know its its kind of a conundrum to many of us but just to go back to the popularity before attack of the u. N. Human Rights Council. Keep in mind the government has exploited and misused and used to the hilt this issue about the puppet art of the president of the excuse everything that has happened in this country and you hear that a lot of times in many of your conversations and many of my conversations we people from different members of the International Community but just on the h. R. T. Are solution i think is a very crucial step this is this is a small step but very crucial step for accountability as weve been saying because the local the domestic human rights accountability mechanisms have not been working the guards what you hear from the government its not been working and thats precisely why the u. N. Human Rights Council need to act now what will happen after this i mean we will leave it to the office of the high commissioner for human rights to do what is necessary or what she thinks she could do but the un human Rights Council does not lack for options on how to determine the situation on the ground so they really do that and you will by next session in june 2020 are expected to put to submit a report to the council and and to see where their future significant actions can be taken in moving forward and this request for action doesnt just come from outflank the philippines comes from inside of the philippines have a listen to one woman one activist sitting in a. More than 2 years ago in manila the net cost to your son was killed by armed men but she believes they were linked to the police monette blames president of the socalled war and drugs for her sons death and shes become an activist speaking out against the campaign. Extradition killings should and the government should instead serve the filipinos according to Government Data more than 6000 people have been killed over the past 3 years an average of 6 every day. So this is where you hit tremendous reporting and you can see from within the philippines its not just outsiders who are upset with the number of civilians who are dying but as people within the philippines how do you make sense of that because i know early we would talk about the popularity of the president but you also have activists saying this one drugs has to stop. Sure so the drug war as of earlier has become abusive. Ily also. Even the death toll has been a best the figure of government saying that its in the vicinity of 6000 rights which you say its over there are some the police were saying because. Those killed in legitimate and be drug operations with those beds or homicides under investigation so listen though if i if im just really very direct than there are too many civilians who are dying as a little girl the youngest. That we believed to have been caught up in a drug raid were going to have pictures of her funeral here she was 3 years old caught up in a drug raid there was a teenager who again was caught up in a in a raid as well and also pictures of his friend or so you can we can debate the stats but there are civilians innocents who are dying what do you do about that within the philippines whats the present about that. Well sure there are a lot that all damages the campaign and i think government should try to reassure the public that moving forward this campaign is with us the main with this level of support then to reassure the public that such incidents with. Will need to be gated and those involved in such a should be used to that if they were found to do so. Then they had to be prosecuted. We will recall some policemen involved in the killing of minors. Where brought to justice. And people really demanded and the family of the victim. So i think a lot of. The something to go through this monthly is internal forensics within the. Lansing so the police and they stand. There are. Police officers involved in the drug trade and this complicates the execution of the drug so i think governments should demonstrate serious work with the elements and. Gone beyond i think right now weve gone beyond and i think the p. N. P. Have demonstrated its underpinning is in cup in cup. Investigate itself i think right now with all these deaths i think. Asking the police to mitigate the drug war asking the government to do you know to deal with this colossal Collateral Damage to think a very low you know what were asking right now what the human rights defenders want what the victims want is accountability you know their house to be a 2 year demonstration accountable. You know the case about the 17 year old. That you sold it in the conviction of people whose office is not just one of the house of the house of documents its been 16 now that is not ought. To be coming so and and the government itself the Philippine National police they have all been trying to frustrate every attempt to investigate and you know to ensure accountability domestic so i think at this point the Philippine Government the Philippine NationalPolice Department of justice they have your most treated and we really really. Would be for the perpetrators of killings and were just talking about the killings by the police ok so let me just say that the pm pay i guess the mention the pm piece an acronym is the philippines National Police many so i want to share 2 takes on this is the 1st one is from our own on twitter who says that this antidrug campaign the socalled drug war has produced results with the surrender of he gives the number here of 1000000 drug dependence of course we can independent independently verify that he says the difference though can be felt in communities where petty crimes were rampant before the crackdown the depressed area in the city where i reside had drugs being sold openly in the streets before this so thats one take on this but on the opposite side of this spectrum from someone who says reform it needs to happen is r. J. And he says the u. N. Human Rights Council of this resolution on this Drug War Campaign is an initial step to bring justice to thousands of deaths since he came to power the pressure from the International Community and the call for the protection of human rights in the course of the governments blatant disrespect brings the situation in the court of Public Opinion jim ill bring you back in here because he mentions Public Opinion what do you think Public Opinion is of this e. U. In investigation and especially given that the president has already said that you know he is against it. Well its hard to say exactly. Yet what its too early to basically figure out what is Public Opinion of this because i think it just came out about less than 2 weeks ago but you know if were looking at a situation where people have have basically been reading up every day and watching everything news about the drug war and and and we seen basically that majority of people are much are busy with the very basics having to you know find food for the table jobs the concept of you know fundamental freedoms basic freedoms human rights these these concepts are abstract in many ways this is why this is when Government Agencies do come in and need to come in to perform do duties and this is where like our Carlos Carlos believes and all other n. G. O. S believe where the government feel to act i meet you you cannot expect the public to be the one to to react and give the kind of opinion when it comes to issues like this because there is a need for institutions to function properly to support and protect the public and i think this is what is the basis basically of the human investigate u. N. Investigation they said philip in government us failed to act and this is why we need to come in and investigate and its important to remember that this is not the only International Court possibly investigating president of the good there is war on drugs the International Criminal court is also looking at the possible the probability of a case if there is any merit of possible crimes against humanity committed there have been more than 50 communications submitted by Different Civil Society groups so the International Criminal court so thats also something that needs to be this needs to be watched out for and also on the local level the Supreme Court has already ordered the p. N. P. To submit. A lot. And thousands of Police Reports need to submit to the Supreme Court a spy. Give its investigation but for what i know and please correct me from wrong these its not been submitted to me i developed the National Police if i may because it was we brought this up is difficult to know where are we in the war on drugs in terms of stats and theres a report that came out just this month is from the Armed Conflict location and event project just have a look so we can really crystallize what are we talking about lucy a call this Collateral Damage i call this people dying we have drug suspects account for almost 75 percent or civilian deaths 8