Absolutely no respect for rule of law for human rights and look at the situation and seeing junk over a 1000000 people being locked up like that and also look at the human rights lawyer is the human rights defenders in china and there are many of them suffer a lot and so when the young people here young and old when they see the appalling situation in china of course they feel very very disturbed and they young people of course they dont want to be part of that country and they asked me because they they asked me to see that i can help especially those who hold the British National overseas passports of course these people are not that young but they asked me whether i can ask britain to help because they are british citizens lauren small let me put that to you youngsters in hong kong are seeing very real concerns given some of the actions in china due to play the detention of weaker is in. Which you dont say those are legitimate concerns that they could push back against and i dont think the youngsters has the mind of what. I do not know about them so of course it is a conservative. But it shouldnt be a concern to them because really for someone who to be. Crime in the mainland but a lot and that is an instance of our material on and on and then be extradited back to the Mainland China many of these people do not go to the Mainland China even to travel there is it this is china but today dont go there are probably a crime well impossible for them to know should i go back to the Mainland China so the fear is totally irrelevant to them but back to play devils advocate lauren smart they would they would say that this could be used as a pretext for the chinese authorities to arrest someone and say you have committed a lawyer an offense in china or we use this as a pretext to take you to the mainland no but they dont even go to the Mainland China i want to go into the port so that thats not for them there might be some concern in the business sectors to do business in china but China Hong Kong is meant to do just this is china and may have that concern but not those protesters on the need you know charging riots against glorys not that not those people those dont have to stand at all because of asians then theres a lot so there are provisions in this law which words exempts people who would not normally go to Mainland China is that your argument lawrence no longer to the principle of law is you have to commit a crime you can bring in china and absconded from that to be able to be to be able to have these critical to them to get you have to have extradited back to try and china for trial thats the whole purpose of the bill and the law i mean if you havent been to china you dont go there theres no crime to be that there you cannot be extradited back there i dont want to say on the extradition law for to you on but james farmer if i could come to you surely that this extradition bill in itself is a demonstration of upholding the principles of the one country 2 systems because surely if if it were one country one system you wouldnt need a separate law to cover these. Fences and an additional point say you james palmer why if china wants to bring people to justice on the mainlines they dont need a law as weve seen in the case of the causeway booksellers theyll just make find a way of making you face justice on the mainland anyway its just a trojan horse the world this debate. Well in fact i mean the theory is that one of the reasons introduced this bill was in order to try and sort of formalize the process that was already happening of trying to kidnapping hong kong is from very you know seizing people anyway and to give it a sort of Legal Framework but from the point of view of the protesters you know that there should be no intrusion at all and theyre worried i think rightly because weve seen china try to apply its law extraterritoriality it abroad so much over the last few years weve seen for instance last year china threaten lines that didnt use the term taipei. China that i threaten businesses that identified taiwan as a separate area or country weve seen. In the kidnappings weve seen. It weve seen people at conferences try to test things out of 10 things out of Conference Material so theres a feeling that this is just a sort of stalking horse for that sense of intrusion into hong kongs you know once sort of inviolable. Independence and coupled with things like the Railway Terminals where mainland global be applied the feeling of sort of hong kongs in hong kong sort of autonomy being sliced away bit by bit is really powerful i think id like to put this question to you all 3 of you this is something which is interesting before why are we seeing these sorts of protests in hong kong but we arent seeing them in other. In macau for example macau is of course another territory ruled by the one country 2 systems they have a separate system but we arent seeing the mass demonstrations that we have seen on the streets of Hong Kong Emily live. Well macau people do not enjoy too many freedoms my dear friend they dont have freedom of the press and macau is very small and its very much control by the communists for many decades so but if were not lucky how girl could be like my cat within weeks and thats something were trying to prevent is is that something Lawrence Margaret what would you say to this why are we not seeing the protests and mco. I think homecoming has particular traditions because it has the english legal system it has a lot of foreigners it has a very free press it has always been. The british has given a tritone to troll when theres a lot of groups here so and the value system of hong kong people were Pretty International ones to a certain extent british so i would have thought that they would want to meara the very western system of democracy and how people can protest. Like you know other countries thats what they wanted in hong kong so i mean thats what and theres also some sense of going in for this but its so thats why its been hong kong and how im going has been. Larger of course the more population they have i think 7000000. 00 plus people in hong kong whereas in the towns only 50500000 the population is larger so it has more if it is done as than spears and sets. Its use as a bridge the street these people these people are China Hong Kong has the power and force to achieve their objectives and james palmer is. An assessment you would agree with that that hong kong is a better place to destabilise china than mco. I think the explanation for why macau doesnt protest is quite simple in 66 and 67 when the communists from the mainland pushed huge protests in both hong kong and macau the portuguese authorities effectively caved and gave the communist party a powerful role in control of macau many decades before formal before formally handing it back over so the communist party has been ensconced in macau for much longer its control is much deeper the threats and the coercion it can. Apply to people in macau is much greater so like the mainland you know why do people not protest in the mainland because their turf id not quite the same in macau but theres no tradition of resistance theres no independent press theres no or theres a long kind of established history of control and what about the economic factors how important are economic factors in the unrest that were seeing because hong kong is is rather in the jury is for extraordinary high rents for low whole no Home Ownership ever just this play any facts are told would you say james palmer. I think it plays some factor but not as much as some apologists for the mainland would you weve seen them saying all this all really about housing prices are really about this its not people you know young people are upset because of housing prices that are angry they feel cut off but that plays into the sense of break with the older generation the sense of the older generation sold them out to beijing you cant separate out these issues the fact that hong kong is effectively controlled by a few powerful families who have thrown their lot in not is with the Chinese Communist party is and who also exert sort of monopoly control over hong kong of hong kong businesses is very recognized by young people but they see that anger as part of the shared anger against the mainland against paging as well well were coming to the end of our discussion with the few minutes that remain id like to get in the cessna different from all 3 of you where you think this is going to end what are the next steps for the process and what what lies ahead if i could come to you 1st emily like how do you see this ending. Well i certainly think carrie lam should come out and gauge the public she cannot just keep hiding in Government House and of course she should accede to the demands which i think are very reasonable but now theres a report in the Financial Times saying that shes offered to resign several times well i think if she goes it would be good then we just get some new person to come in and otherwise if she keeps hiding in Government House is not going to help this situation will get worse ok lauren smart to you to you see the resignation of carrie lamas as helping to bring this to a cause where do you see this and well come to an end because of the resolution and this is a good time and Good Opportunity for people to remind you theres an election in november this year and there is a more important election next year and people want oppositions want to keep up that sentiment and opposition sentiment so that they can get both of those if people are more scared about china about about the government they would go for the opposition and thats what they want to go wrong they want to drag on they want to keep the sentiment of the protests so that they can get moguls will be in an election in november not in which it seems of time but july july to emily like do you think thats the case that this is all just political posturing ahead of an election. Well of course there is an election coming up and we would like to see prodemocracy candidates winning but i think many of us do not want to see the violence in the streets if you have big a peaceful protest thats great but we dont want to see the protesters beating up i mean the policemen beating up the protesters and all this standoff and i think many of us do not want to see that so tolerance is completely wrong ok and james palmer im going to give you the last words here quickly if you could how do you see this and. I think that while these protests may die down on kong is going to be very unhappy very disturbed place over the course of the next few years or decades until something politically changes on the mainland that allows for more the proviso ssion hong kong is are going to keep drifting away from the mainland and were going to see very fierce protests and in turn increased repression by the authorities ok and with well have to draw our discussion to a close id like to thank all 3 of my guests emily live james palmer and Lawrence Mann thank you to you for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our web site thats dot com and the conversation continues online just head to our Facebook Page at forward slash a. J. Incident story to take part or you can join the discussion on twitter we are at a. J. Inside story on twitter actually at our money team but for me and the whole team its point and. I. 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