There are 2 men remaining in the race to be both a leader of the u. K. Conservative party and one minister but with only a tiny fraction of the public getting a vote what impact will the outcome have on an already divided country our family ok send your thoughts through twitter and you to give or try to get them into the show. An estimated 160000 conservative Party Members will choose between bush johnson and jeremy hunt to succeed to reason may as party leader but because a general election isnt due the winner will also get the keys to 10 downing street for london mayor johnson is the favorite to win the leadership ballot when its announced in 3 weeks time meanwhile hunt is highlighting his record as both defense and Health Secretary both candidates have been appealing to Party Members in the run up to the postal ballot. We need to get bricks it done this someone who can thank the actually. Believe. Someone who is made into a deeply only opportunity is a bricks that could bring your country i am the right man when i talk to people running their own businesses to farmers to shopkeepers to people in the high street who are worried about the situation were in they dont want to show them and they dont want to be entertained they want a Prime Minister who is going to lead us. For more on this race we are joined from the strauss were formed by scuse me from strasburg by our cars but it is reporting quietly of the leadership race as well as practice it at u. K. Politics tom howard is a journalist and commentator in many works as a reporter for the greedo forks conservative website he joins us from london and danielle rally is a member of parliament representing the Scottish Council area with no fuel for the Opposition Labor Party she joins us from london hello everybody the reason we are doing this show is because we are scout audience regularly what story is making news where you live and this is the comment that we got about a week ago the conservative leadership race between Boris Johnson and jeremy hunt and the lies that they are telling to the u. K. Public you have. On your arts and questions properly spewing out lies then we have journeyed to things that you would work with in better topic. They do a good job of summing up the conservative leadership race. I think of quite a partisan way of looking at it really what we have in this race is someone who has for many people been the face of brecks it for many years Boris Johnson who helped lead that vote need campaign all the way back in 26 the who stood on the base stages around the country and dissuaded the country to vote to leave the e. U. Against jeremy hunt who is someone who is considered to be much more of a diplomats much more of a sort of straight laced kind of person as he said in the trip not to show him but someone who did vote remains so you have this sort of more technocratic approach up against this more impassioned approach and by the way that all the polls are looking right now it looks like people are going to pump for the passion that drives the enthusiasm morgan that sort of laid back technocratic execute and im just not all that damning hans sat at a paper i suppose that is the foreign secretary im coming in as a foreign secretary general one night to win how would you sum him up nights as a as a candidate who has less recognition going one way then by stance thats for sure no i think i think toms very much right in saying that you know hunt is viewed as as a technocrat he wasnt a very popular Health Secretary certainly an inside the Health Service and Boris Johnson will boriss is just that in the u. K. Does does have what will people call the ready brek clothes you know he has this sort of charisma i would i would say its almost point or as having let the Police Campaign botia him so citrus recent days broke city ill when we went when it was voted on in the commons but you know that the thing that really ultimately they both have in common that and this is the most important thing is that theyre trying to appeal to a conservative Party Membership that is absolutely insistent that the you. Kay has to leave in the 31st of october i think primarily because if the u. K. Doesnt leave the 31st of october then probably the u. K. Will never leave us and as well as that that you could as and leave then then there would be a general election sooner rather than later and theyre terrified. Of either losing all the support of the brits party or losing the entire election to Jeremy Corbyn and both of these candidates are saying openly that if they dont leave those things will happen so its as much as anything else it seems silly that in its for the delivery of bricks it is as much a peep in the conservative Party Together as it is to do with National Interest and thats not a partisanship mullein its what they say who sells that now youre a young neighbor and i want to put the stephen this comes and pfizer membered says in the black and minority ethnic office from london young lower and selects this point about this concept of the surprise have a story to collection is hierarchy includes millions of people having st peter of our country that there is a consequence people heroes life and death situations because mr zinni returns this election really goes 1st dont think the bigger he ramadans the grounds its my own thats 800 number it is called black people pickaninnies and jeremy hunt has done more than anyone to dismantle our national Health Service. Well its kind of i mean i think he she fried so eloquently and you know weve got someone who has and hug someone who broke the n. H. S. And then weve got and boris someone who wants to sell off to trump and so you know the cant be trusted and we heard from that young women there how much people feel let down by both of these contenders so it is such a false choice and theyre both absolutely complicit and if that if he measures which is so harmful in communities like mine and a little bit in but across the u. K. And they you know theyve been complicit in that so no wonder people all across the u. K. Feel like this is a 4 fold choice and i certainly wouldnt be excited by either of them and it was interesting there that jeremy hunt and the clip that you showed was a result of speaking up for businesses because when he was when it was put to him some Small Businesses may have to close if there was a new deal bricks that he said that would be a necessary sacrifice you know this is simply terrible why would anyone feel inspired by them or want either of them to be the next Prime Minister thats a question for tom. So i think theres the you youre quite right in terms of jerry hunts pessimism hes someone who campaigned for main back in 2016 just today he was pointing to bank of england reports that a predicting doom and gloom but in reality those same studies those same reports 3 years ago predicted as a result of the vote that we in immediate recession that the job losses that the all of these horrible outcomes the country that we never materialized in reality what happens after the referendum is the highest jobs growth that weve had we now have more people in employment in this country than ever before were growing faster than germany faster than trunks faster than its really this countrys doing going gangbusters really and also weve had an extra 394000000. 00 pounds a week invested in our n. H. S. That wouldnt have happened without the referendum and so what weve really seen is quite successful 3 years but a failure to deliver that actually results so what were looking at yeah isnt that a sidestep something that i think is really important and that and let me just say this is headlines out of there have given history of slys minorities for boys strong leadership so you can talk about economy you can talk about jobs but what about the atmosphere within the u. K. How minorities fill that they can operate in the u. K. I dont address that because while his law is the master of insults. I i totally to speak up boris is someone who comes from a rich diversity of ethnic heritage and said hes going to Church Family here and hes got family from turkey family from the last his great grandfather that hes originally. Of eurasia and thats a wonderful thing but also hes someone that stood up for and defended minority communities year after year what i already know how to tell them i dont like them going up for minorities when you hold women who wear the bar letterboxes that he said yes your list is there in the context of that comment the context of that comment with its he again it came out against the e. U. Country denmark that a liberal ban on the practice in many fronts and lots of European Countries and morris is writing a column that defending the rights of muslim women to wear the burka and hes had a consistently liberal position on all of these issues and hes stood up for the rights of minorities left right and center and yes sometimes he uses flowery language to do it but look its actually beyond his words look at his deep in me has been one of the most steadfast liberal defend not if not going to take a mile out of that no i think while i think i think Boris Johnson sometimes doesnt get his words in a Straight Line i think i think to toms point i think the point as i understood it he was making about women wearing what he calls you know that that that that that the lets of course is is he was trying to say that they were made to wear it and they didnt have the right to wear what what what they wanted to and in that sense i think he was misrepresented because he was trying to put it forth as a liberal position even though it came out of his mouth as some something rude and i think i think this is one of the problems that Boris Johnson has and this is what youve seen during the early solar pours out her trip from. So the house of commons hes had to have minders with him because he keeps trying to get involved in call the stations people and shooting his male force and theyre trying to drag him away because theyre terrified is going to go. Off message and rip the reporter is going to pick it up. And it will destroy his campaign and so consequently hes ended up in this in this what frankly looks like a pretty Poor Campaign where hes run away from open debate insofar as he can because even if hes going to win which i think he probably will if you know hes people of very frightened of him of him saying or doing the wrong thing because he cant control its not even if what he wants to say in his view be the right thing to say so was lets just move on a little bit and talk about at children the tannic service conservative leadership rice i was going to take a pause because we. Are a team to go out into the streets and just kind of fill what people are thinking on the streets about the conservative leadership roles or not able to take part and have a look i dont have a very good i think of course a rock and a hard place youve got boris. Didnt say any more about boris and then youve got germany. But i think they both bring Different Things to the table i think boris is probably you know he can act like a clot spinning is probably quite smart i think people like him i think jeremy hunt is much smoother more slick but actually maybe hes a safe pair of hands say. Kill the national Health Service. Which are israel i wish i could work for but rather i want to cry. Out weve got. So we come back and have a look here because this is the conservative leadership race and lloyd myatts points out unfortunately the general British Public will not get to choose 160000 conservative Party Members will and 30 percent of them are over 65 which the majority would have voted to leave the e. U. Other than that i did estate political promises from both have not played well so this idea of who gets to pick the next british Prime Minister tom joyner explain why so few people are able to do it. Absolutely rerun a parliamentary democracy in this country not a president ial system and that means that the Prime Minister is someone who can command a majority in parliament and currently the person that can command a majority in parliament is the leader of the conservative party who have an agreement with the school of the for Northern Ireland and that means whoever the conservative party picks a lead that becomes the Prime Minister because they can command that majority and so that means that its an internal matter from the conservative party who then 2022 at the latest probably if were being honest with ourselves a lot earlier than back then it will go to the people in whats called a general election whereby members of anonymous will be elected by the people of this country and members of parliament in effect will decide the Prime Minister this is the same system that weve had for hundreds of years and it is always peculiar whenever theres a change that will be executive in the middle of a parliamentary term one side gets outraged the site isnt Holding Power at that time and the onions and in a way its written around in terms of this manufactured outrage thats always going to noise when labor did it the labor party get annoyed when the tories there is a situation in their right im handling gordon brown became Prime Minister allowed no im happy about that lets go ahead book doris is the rageous good bones Prime Minister with having a general election day and hes going to be things that are the same position but the other thing i think is worth pointing out in response is but sweetie just put on screen this is all very well saying the people dont get to choose i mean you know one of the points about. The opposite main opposition labor policy is that what they. Whats the whats the phrase they use describe that the prisoner occasion overtaking him seductive embrace your overpressure instruction and begin to think you you know i mean how how much further actually have they got to run with this before it fell before it would it runs out of time because there is this gigantic hole between Jeremy Corbin and these and his main the union back a limitless ski and his closest adviser. And the rest of the party and the Party Membership which plainly wants either no brick support the very least a 2nd referendum and then when the Party Leadership is milton away from accepting its mandate from its so membership and i do think and again this is the partisan view and i have had the labor party at a much more definitive position than you know to some of the amendments in the columns that got lost by them over the last few months money actually been won and i dont think the country would be big in this set of uncertainties of the moment that now go ahead i think it is a tick actually to blame labor for the state that were in with bricks that when you know weve had the conservatives translating over these failed talks weve had these red lanes not being able to get executed mandate in parliament its 2 days im a bit made failing for not being able to secure that majority for her deal and not working with other parties effectively and you know its a failing of everyone in her cabinet actually who has been engaged the public and off hasnt been speaking to people to get people out of parliament her oats parliament have all these chilled these chances to vote and maybe they dont think you know that i couldnt think of an Ethical Department then and now youre saying that they were there were loads of paper at a news who couldnt vote couldnt vote a policy position when that was being told pregnant time again to vote for treason may feel but if not accept both carla. Because its a bad deal and its full of holes for parliament but accept it now and that is treason a fork lets talk about whos actually going to be voting for the next u. K. Prime minister this is lacey put you here shes a lifo 10 shes a conservative party member this is what she told us about her position have a listen i dont think its unfair to say that thats probably never going to more controversial time to identify yourself as a young conservative than there is right now especially with Jeremy Corbyn in the labor party promising say much to young people understand well see why someone might question why i choose to identify myself as a young conservative whichever candidate my partys to be next Prime Minister or i can have is if they strive to fulfil the democratic mandate to leave the European Union and there are to continue to build in a concerted plan to build more jobs increase our economy and security put an end to a stereotype and continue to build a stronger fairer and more prosperous britain im just one about the demographic that the voters who will be voting for the next Prime Minister of the u. K. Who do they represent who are they tom as far as you understand well the average age of the conservative party member is 57 but a little bit older than the average age of the Labor Party Member which is 53. 00 but not an extraordinary amount. In general people who join Political Parties in the United Kingdom parties tend to be in that sort of mid fiftys age range so th