Start of april or i took state days of the latest headlines coming up next inside story. This is really an attack on itself is a lot of misunderstanding of what free speech is supposed to be about the context of humanity of course it says in this stage for a serious debate out front at this time on aljazeera. Nigeria is missing schoolgirls dozens more are abducted by boko haram the government says its a National Disaster but whats it doing to fend off the threat and reduce public anger this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the program. More than one hundred nigerian schoolgirls were kidnapped from the village of dopy this week presumably by the armed Group Boko Haram and if this all sounds eerily familiar to you its because it is boko haram abducted two hundred seventy six school girls from nearby book village in two thousand and fourteen and many of them are still missing president mohammad who bihari had declared boko haram defeated but these kidnappings suggest otherwise what will it take to protect nigeria schoolgirls from the armed group well get to our guests in a moment but first a committed reste was the First International journalist to visit dopy since the kidnappings heres his exclusive report. Disappointment induction i was off to parents of a tool that brought us up and rescued the State Government apologized saying the information was not true. For the relatives of more than one thousand students the wait has just begun. Some say its all over again. These sisters have not only escaped the kidnappers but theyre all the sister wasnt just lucky. The incident leaves them devastated. And i know one of them long as i know they came just after we broke out monday fast we heard gunshots there was chaos everywhere she tried to comfort us but it only got worse four of us sisters started running to give that she fell and i fell down to her but someone picked me up that was the last time i saw her she was taken. Neighbors poured into their home to offer support at the go school we were refused access to film inside i would miss is some of the attackers dressed in military fatigues drove through the school gates but before they got in many of the girls alerted by the gunshots fired early on the scale of the problem at the front of the school on escaped but some girls say they saw some of their schoolmates being led into a waiting truck. So literally and his family thought they too were received fourteen year olds but she was one of the schoolgirls taken in to tell us a mother isnt hospital she fainted on hearing to her daughter was and from the grief is too much for her but. He said much is expected of the second Year High School student for now they continue to wait hoping to hear good and definitive news about the return of their child residents of the tragedy would be as long as a twenty four incident where more than two hundred seventy goals like kidnapped from the school more than a third of them are yet to be found one hundred aljazeera duction. Boko haram is by no means a new aggressor in nigeria the group began its violent rebellion in two thousand and nine and has killed at least twenty thousand people since then mostly in northeastern Nigeria Boko Haram means western education is a sin which is why the group keeps attacking schools it pledged allegiance to eye so in two thousand and fifteen and stepped up attacks in neighboring countries that led chad cameroon uneasier to send military support for the Nigerian Army which for the past two years has repeatedly declared boko haram defeated lets bring in our guests joining us from a buddha is mike edge of four former director of nigerias state Security Service and from birmingham in the u. K. Is a researcher on war and conflict at Coventry University and a specialist on boko haram and by skype also from a buddha is booky. Cofounder of the bring back our Girls Movement thank you all for joining us mike given the fact that nigerias government has said in the past that boko haram has all but been defeated how is it that this could happen again well its no surprise in nigeria its not it alone in this fight against terrorism or insurgency many countries. Iraq is prior to this war without end. Just know we good men should have more thats why i disagree with government to say that because our has been defeated is going to be difficult to conclude up who are you that would step up. Which has continued and if you look at it these groups who have come out of pocket used to shows because they believed i was going to disrupt is the same. Schools are not to come to target so theres no point theres no need given a timeline to try to cause a mass metrical. Are you how is the response from the government different this time than it did in two thousand and fourteen when that your book girls were kidnapped why wouldnt completely. The response has been the same but of course given to those we would see not much has been learned from the misfortune of twenty fourteen it is true that this government has come out to meet the girls who are missing but at the beginning there were there was confusion clearly there was confusion. The military said they had rescued the girls but they turned out that was on true which was what im going to parent of the girls the parents of the girls so what has been happening is not much less than has been learned from what happened twenty fourteen zero point two now so of course we should also that the government the president said he he he wasnt happy with what happened he has deployed the military to do whatever he could to get by the girls but then the question is when will they get back to girls and why did it in the first place let that happen if you dont have help if we have learned a lesson for how when twenty fourteen buckey you of course are still fighting for the release of the remaining girls that are still missing whats the status of the negotiations when it comes to trying to free them. What we are seeing so far as its release to the chibok girls that have been released is that we have one on going and several girls got back all the mentee its the center of them where going back through legacy asian while you know if you are of them execute sort of that tells us that negotiation in non military action seems to be working quite well in getting back these four stages december up in terms of legacy issues and was also. Considered when do we send. Do we read from the policewomen and them the University Lecturers where negotiated for im going to call and start our system. Of duty to understand some of the sixty were girls and there were have doc ten we have one hundred and seven of them going back if the several of them escaped that means were waiting for one on get and twelve girls to still have got back so that tells us that negotiations are still in our video who love the game in going in but also stages my can have the dynamics in the tactics of boko haram change you know since two thousand and nine or two thousand and fourteen compared to now. Well you see the dynamics change and if you recall. When the president was in office he told the west africa are sabra joined us from war powers to assist nigeria. Fight against. Those who lead to do you live to not believe we still look to the United States by United States of america to nigeria. With the cooperation to get in with the multinational our joint Task Force America has now agreed to sell. It tonight across to nigeria jodan has donated two hundred more because. Everybody so i think were making progress but you can still do better. One of the reasons that at least some of the girls have been released has been because of a negotiation but do you believe that negotiation with boko haram has emboldened them to carry out even more kidnappings. Absolutely agree the negotiation while i sympathize with the parents of those families of those that have been abducted included people have been abducted i think the kind of negotiation the government has been having with these terrorists has kind of embolden these criminals to carry out more attacks lets put it this way it is me now lets i am fighting with someone and then that person needs weapons or needs to sources to fight and i keep giving that person the more you or your sources to fight me how would that fight and that is what is happening and i think its time the government negotiates with these criminals what happens to be wars than what happened previously we know after the girls were released on two previous shows the attacks increased and weve seen what just happened after the election in university of new degree were released so i think while the government is right in negotiating with them they should be thinking of the kind of concessions they make to these criminals because in the end theyre helping them to finance the war i mean theyre helping the criminals to find. I mean theyre with money and also by the our colleagues in the government custody so i think while i agree would bring back our girls with their campaign trying to get the girls back but i think by focusing on. Getting things wrong lot of people that have been abducted by boko haram were just now. Seeing that because weve got hundred of them or more then that is the end of it it doesnt work well we need to get the government to get by doing the right and giving out things to criminals that would make them more kind of emboldened to carry out more criminal attacks doesnt walk out of you i want to follow up with you Amnesty International has reported that at least two thousand women and girls have been abducted by boko haram the past few years and theyve said that they believe that they have potentially been sold into sexual slavery what has been done or what is being done to try and secure their release. Well like i said the problem is that because many of these girls and women and even boys that have been abducted were ticking away on a point nobody knew trees and nobody cared about them not in has been not much of them so there are so many of them that have been ticking away but because nobody said anything about them then they remain in the captivity of boko haram on a number of occasions where towns or villages or whole communities were taken over by a book of her own people who were forced to be become members of boko haram these are constructs who are also victims of boko haram were in the end when these towns are liberated the military end up putting those young men and women in india close to the cinema being boko haram sympathizers this becomes a kind of sort of double jeopardy for these people so i think it is a major problem because nobody is really talking about these victims that i call or war the victims booky obviously youre in Constant Contact with the parents of the book girls now what is their reaction been to the news of the girls that were abducted how is this impacting them especially emotional. I mean it simply links back to mero me of the different stages of believing that this parents who are in the womb by stay disowned me and i trust when theyre girls where doctored there was this or that this girls will be brought back our son us possible and then upon confirmation it got in and i dont believe and then its for every day every month every year that we spend and in about forty year this ban it will be four years since the chibok girls were abducted it is deep in. Deep our demerol or the to grieve that their girls are actually be missing now when you juxtapose that with that of the dark she is students that just gives you an idea or what could be going on in their minds of the purpose of the child that to girls considering the fact that nor care and want to wait for this long for their girls to be god and that same shock that same possibility you know is something that just you know once every one not just the pill and whatever the nigerian and well wisher supposed to launch that we should laws these being these girls back as soon as possible sort of parallel line is that the believe is that the pain is that of an english and is that or the possibility that they may have to stay longer which we are hoping does not happen mike boko haram hasnt just carried out attacks in nigeria theyve also carried out attacks in neighboring countries so how much of a threat is the group not just in nigeria but also for that region. Well if you recall the. Book. Is established. Islamic state of west africa so isolated to isolate it becomes a very big credit in the stockbridge on not only to nigeria and that is why its important that nigeria collaborates with the various countries that form of the Multinational Joint task force in this or bridge or showed idea special new Step Programs checked dont also forget the migration from this is coming from this is to put all these together trade to this so bridge on not only to nigeria i believe. The World Community should also come to the aid or the stockbridge are particularly nigeria the course nigeria is in leading force within the region in terms of supply of information on training and the provision of intelligence on this and of intelligence i think thats important is key in fighting this so that more so when nigeria is going into election next year so we have a lot of challenges that we cannot. Have a series of challenges that we need to look into are you what are your thoughts on what mike just said what are some concrete steps that the government nigeria can take or its allies can take in trying to more a sect of elite combat. Like mike said i agree with him absolutely. As many medium meanies to the. City hall of the sub region it means to be able to fire them there has to be a kind of combination of forces from nigeria from new jersey probably from chad from cameroon all of our region including getting support from the International Community but obvious here that i think one big problem that the Nigerian Government or nigeria started fighting book or boko haram has been is not being able to kind of. Control them within restrict them within an environment and deal with them often when the military go after them the kind of scaring them away or getting them to scamper away and when there are no we what happens is that because our borders are very porous they run into neighboring countries only for them to group and come back so i think thats thats change getting them into kind of box them into a particular point whereby you would get them if possible could kill them would be the best thing to do so i think this time she has to change bookie theres still deep distrust of the government in Northern Nigeria how does that affect the fight against boko haram doesnt it make it that much harder for the government to effectively combat the group when the residents of that part of the country distrust the government so much. Do to please the distrust mean not be so entrenched and may not be so widespread across the northern part of nigeria especially because before the commune into power of the ministry. Or the you know the intensity of the attacks my book was so march that everyone just wanted some in totally different we can take it with a different the manger as a political guest you nor conceivably towards ending dismay nears corbo coram we are winning the war. You know Different Levels are different times so when you look across the northern part of mentor particularly did not theres this level of confidence that that actually being the least considering how well we are being in this way again will call them however just like one of the speaker said we cant completely declare that we have defeated all coroner on to certain metrics are actually being been checked ticked off and that is where did this to us actually swindles or or its its up there to a different level so so far people are treated that it would celebrate christmas and their year sila with our bomb blast and all of that but when you have large scale of of of possible abduction make in the case of this issue their doctrine of the policewomen some of this attacks that we still see it was to question the effectiveness of our countdown so it then see war i when that question comes into cle is when we have that disparity in terms of the never will of course that people have for the government and of course the trust level at a consistent base is actually quite important for the counterinsurgency effort especially in terms of look at kelly dent got really opposition and did local level. All of. That is going to be tended local level and the governments in winning this war mike has the fight against isis and the fact that i still has lost so much territory in the last couple of years in areas like it off in syria has that contributed to boko haram getting more fighters becoming more resurgent. Yes to some extent. As. You know the book or im only serves as a look cool terrorist Group Detroit metamorphosed to align with. There are these groups like isis and that possibility of isis supplying arms on the fence for americans to be ruled out so these are the areas the government should look into so i should outsource glucose in terms of funding from every mission. Block. Is a very big charlie. All you can you envision a time in which a comprehensive Peace Agreement a settlement could actually be negotiated between the Nigerian Government and. Comprehensive Peace Agreement comes at the end of a conflict that is where one side eventually wins we have all agreed that nigeria has not completely reached that point it has to get to a point whereby the government is able to box book into a very very tight corner and be on their knees begging now when this started looking for way out then the government could now assemble its months to draft a set of agreements that would force them to accept it and then we would look for a permanent solution to the problem otherwise by sitting them all in piecemeal by giving them money or elysium the fighters the war would just go on and on forever so i think we have got to dust stage when we get to that stage when the military are able to. Deal effectively with book one from a b. B. C. Report recently we understand that these soldiers were almost mormons before capturing. The leader of boko haram on till someone i mean i dont know