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Hi im femi oke a little overweight afghanistans capital kabul has been hit by four major attacks killing almost one hundred fifty people pushing an already angry population to dispatch after more than sixteen years of violence on political turmoil why does the war look no closer to ending well speak with a panel of afghans to ask that question and here in the stream live on aljazeera and you tube be sure to send us your comments and questions and well try to get them into todays show before we started the conversation take a look at this video from our colleagues at eighty plus. Enough that she was over there you dont make sense of the new york that along with not but im with them. Along with. Afghan civilians are often the victims when bombs go off elsewhere the war in afghanistan. Complex attacks are carried out by groups including the taliban and i sill afghan officials often blame pakistans Intelligence Services for the violence us President Donald Trump has stepped up air raids talks are off the table and infighting in afghanistans government divides its attention caught in the middle of this ordinary Afghan People are putting increasing pressure on all of the players to end the conflict but our released a prospect is that here with us to discuss that is a former Senior Advisor to the chief executive of afghanistans unity government dr Abdullah Abdullah is also the former afghan ambassador to france and canada on skype in San Francisco california us ally is an independent journalist and the founder of documenting afghanistan that is an Online Platform for afghans to share their own stories. And kill is the cofounder and deputy c o of Hope Education and leadership in afghanistan or hello to short a youth n. G. O. Promoting Student Leadership in afghanistan and he lives in kabul but joins us today from the hague in the netherlands and in doha qatar. Is an online producer for out zero dot com she often reports on afghanistan and pakistan welcome everybody you may remember at the end of that little video from a. J. Pass it said what is going on in the country how rude for your perspective a simple bright doubt whats going on. So that theres no incentive. Or whether. Or or even people do. So this is just. This is your home v this is somewhere thats very dear to your heart if you were trying to explain to somebody outside of afghanistan this last few weeks of extreme violence how would you tell them what was happening why its happening. It is that everyone is very sad about what has happened. But there is something that needs to be said to the world. It is that the wall thats finally come to a conclusion and they know no way to be blamed for all of these things and has to be they for all the things that happened in the country and now the world and the International Community knows how to solve the problem how to overcome this issue that is something of. So i hear the hope in your voice but on line people are not so sure on our ill direct this to you this is from. The most afghans their primary desire is to live and not to die for that to happen the war needs to end the war continues because there is no understanding there are in a stalemate both sides hang on to a delusional fiction that military victory is possible this is a stalemate according to this person what would you say about that from a Military Point of view its a stalemate from a political point of view i think that we have reached a new stage in the political process that involves not only afghanistan and afghans internally but also the region around afghanistan and the countries that feel that they have a big stake in what is happening in afghanistan and then globally with the big powers like the us china russia and many others who also consider themselves as stakeholders like the u. S. Nato or very deeply entrenched in afghanistan have been for the last seventeen years we have seen ups and downs in the Afghan People obviously had hopes that have not materialized so far and what needs to happen is to realize that we need we are at a defining moment meaning that we have to put the finger on what caused the root cause of the problem is. And then we need to pull together in find creative and Realistic Solutions to the problems that exist whether they or again jew Political Security economic even and political as well i just stated the obvious. The obvious is not easy to deal with i may have stated the obvious but we need creativity this in seventeen years weve tried almost everything in the book nothing has really but you realized afghans are suffering more than ever before they do remember the last thirty forty years we have suffered heavily during this over the occupation during taliban the majority in every phase as had its own blood bath period right now the hopes that people had for being tested and i think that we need to rekindle hope and optimism in afghanistan instead of you know trying to deal with abstractions and things that are real cina i was checking out your twitter feed from the recant this let out it could not catch up with the death toll when reporting on the Suicide Attack or today it was rising at a blazing speed every minute challenge how are you telling this story to an audience ive been following it for seventeen years. I think this time around the situation in afghanistan is not just its not just about the attacks its also about how young people in afghanistan are actually feeling that theyre going to die any moment i mean it for me as a journalist its so shocking to be covering an event went Something Like that there its a pattern whenever i see whether its in the summer or in the winter if we look at the recent years attacks like this happen one after the other hundreds killed its a pattern same thing happened last week a lot of people were killed in this attack before that intercontinental was under attack and i could not catch up with the numbers i was in touch with off issues and they were giving numbers and i was late. For me when its so difficult to catch up on these numbers how would afghans in kabul who are actually facing the attacks are dealing with it so its been happening its been happening for a while now but right now whats really sad is that the afghans are feeling that were going to die any moment and we need to be protected who is going to protect us says and i trust the government yeah ceylon do you feel that way. I definitely feel that i was in the house and that i was in kabul for her one day and when i was in kabul a different if the situation there was not as normal as it was before nothing was normal there the people the people who were very sad and i couldnt see a smile a single smile on the face of an but lets deal with it wisely in. The why spays do think about the solution that could be actually. And by this i mean that this is not only a National Issue this is not an issue that afghanistan can solve it but this is an issue that the International Community jointly should solve it and thats why i say the word hope i know that there are fear i know that there are the people are not happy i know that the people are going through. A very bad situation and so i am and so other young afghans are going to the situation but i see that there is progress i see that the International Community is taking the right path to you know that doesnt mean i just something i want to hear what that progress is give us one example yes so one of the biggest examples of the progress could be the u. S. Strategy of United States strategy for south east Southeast Asia and also afghanistan. I mean in the country inside the country im very involved with young people have involved with the activities that carries young people in and all of them are very optimistic about the new strategy all of them are very happy about that because in the new strategy that supports afghanistan and that it could be the start off a chain that could be the start of an end to this terrorism and how they are. During that time yeah people are very disappointed with the United States i mean its been you know next seventeen years here theres been you know nearly a trillion dollars spent you could pave the roads in gold and none of that sort of happened right like theres no incentive like i was mentioning earlier for youth to not join armed groups whether thats the end is all about the riots k. P. C. There is not some widespread kind of system being built to to try to you know could reach into the villages and help people with education or just basic needs so theyre not on the street begging and picking up garbage for a living so people are flooding out of this country right why why do we have so many people crowding in the lot of this country right now who are all trying to get to the e. U. If thought things were going so great there then i am really absolutely i agree with the heroin on that because the attacks that weve been witnessing as journalists and on living in the country i think it underscores the fragility all sixteen year United States military campaign and i mean despite the fact that theyve been fighting the taliban for so long my question here to mr omar here is that if were if we have to be creative about getting a solution to end this war what would it be i think we havent tried talking to the taliban yet from just recently said were not going to have a conversation with the taliban we i think in any case u. S. Is not winning their desk so i think there is a good question in that country surreal let me first say that i think reality is lies somewhere between what both hold and sort of on said i think reality b. S. That a lot of work has to be done enough on a stone we have seen progress in so many fields its been reported Everybody Knows about it security has been one challenge and there is a reason for that the reason is that there are groups that are fond of so they keep on fighting and. Those groups enjoy centuries outside of afghanistan but they also are this is this is fact dissatisfaction within the country and then there are there is weaknesses there are weaknesses institutional weaknesses corruption governance weaknesses as we talk in the political rifts that exist in society if you put all of this together its a black and white picture but the reality is great now can i can i interrupt for a moment and ask you. Well ok so for the last sixteen seventeen years weve all known that whats going on inside of pakistan and that theyre funding and arming you know the operations of militant activity inside about wallacetown our listeners everybodys known this you know anybody from a farmer to even you know the president was told in United States that this is going on so its been sixteen years here so within a sixteen years United States billions upon billions to pakistan so how is it that the United States didnt know this was going on the entire time were told a regular order now so that they all know that the policy is changing were in the middle of a transition in policy its a five six month old policy it will take time i believe. I mean i can say that right is a problem for us and that were going back to them to solve it for us this is a little bit strange to know well i mean i thought they were like a little bit i dont know. I dont think the United States can be blamed for nine eleven and i dont think the United States can be blamed for creating this problem i think that there are regional players and regional dynamics that play afghanistan as a victim of geography and that means jus political. Movements in dynamics play a huge role in have an impact on what is happening inside afghanistan if you look at afghanistan history its all about is geography now. As you question my. Creative means that we have to set up an end goal the end goal is peace the end goal is to belittle the insecure. Rooty therefore it means that we how do we reach that goal so far we have tried as i said before a lot of different options have been put under mr bush and. Mr obama is a new set of options with mr trump. So how do we reach the law i want guests we have a Live Online Community as well in this conversation so just pause for a moment so i can bring them back in but when you mention the end goal being peace of course before we get to peace so there are People Living their daily lives and struggling with that and so we want to check in with them on how theyre going about that we got this comment via you tube someone thats watching live. Clearly the military cant solve the problem people should take action to overcome their challenges rather than just hoping things will get better clearly also this is someone who is not in afghanistan but people who are are doing things that are taking action in the way that they can and this is a piece that you wrote in case i die its entitled why afghans keep notes in their pockets and you spoke to several people residents of kabul or who are doing things like this theyre writing their names on notes i have one on my screen here he writes his name where he was born his age so that what. So. If you look at the situation in afghanistan right now its not just the attacks that the crimes are being killed in its also the drawings i have spoken to a lot of people lot of are saying that their babies were killed in drawings the fact that theyre also killed in protests by the police. This happened in the summer on june second when the when the protesters were demonstrating against the attacks in kabul so its not just its not just the attacks conducted by ice a lot of the taliban they dont feel safe in the country they think that any moment we will step out of the house and we can get killed we can i dont get shot in a protest we can either get killed in a drone or well get killed by and i still are a Taliban Attack so when i was talking to them about what the situation is in kabul in afghanistan in general and i was very shocked about the fact when they said we started carrying a piece of paper is now with us in case something happens to us. Our families it would be easy for our families to know where we are and find out if they need blood theyll be able to find blood for us if we are injured the reason they said that was because there were many bodies in the recent attack. On the on the Diplomatic Area that were learning and they could not identify them so big up plans are actually scared about the fact that if we die its going to take them a lot of days to identify our bodies so we might as well just keep a few papers that continue we are in our pockets in our purses in our jerseys in places like that where i do know where they would know we are so theyre kind of feeling the sense of get in the country which is very which is very sad and its and its a bit shameful as well that they dont feel. Any sort of protection from the government or from the troops in the country so she was yes youve just given us a reality check here for what it is like to live in kabul to live in afghanistan and live free those attacks let me show you this because you picked up a story that weve been sharing on aljazeera amazing story of courage we call it how can they be helped its about a little fourteen year old boy this is a story that we have put it on in december its on facebook and out there right now have a look. Thank. You so do you still see. The. New one. You see the number of people there displaced by this conflict people online are pointing the fingers at some of those geo political actors that you talked about a little bit earlier omar this is a tweet we got from deep hockey says the perpetrators of terror attacks in afghanistan are mostly harbored and nurtured by pakistan more precisely the Pakistan Army units of sanctions on the pakistan generals and businesses run by that military and significantly reduce terror attacks in afghanistan thats one persons claim on the other side that we have this tweet from eastend we heard from a little bit earlier who says the u. S. Should learn from the start how the peace can be brought to the conflict zone u. S. Continuous desire to invade transoceanic country the irresponsible destabilizing behavior and that must end so someones pointing the finger at pakistan another persons pointing the finger at the us room what do you make of those two comments ok well i would say its all about its not just the United States and russia or United States or you know that so we have china we have iran we have all these surrounding countries that are involved there saudi arabia included on the oil for me there are you know their favorite villains because very few heroes and of all muslim west theyre mostly died and were martyred so what we are up to are people who who made it through and these are. You know the people who were able to be bought people who were not bought by United States or somebody else didnt really have back backing to stand their ground and continued to be the strong man or whatever they are. Right now what youre saying is the president the shovel money trying to push out some of these people who are still remnants of these kind of past days bu