Headlines good news are coming up in half an hour for that it is inside story. Does egypt support Donald Trumps decision on leaks suggest leaders in cairo dont object to u. S. Recognition of the city as israels capital and saudi arabia stands accused of secret support what does the apparent shift mean for the future of jerusalem this is inside story. Hello there welcome to the program im laura kyle off the u. S. President donald trump recognized jerusalem as israels capital the condemnation from the arab world was swift and strong but is everyone on board the New York Times reports that the gyptian media has been pressured to play down opposition to trumps decision and leaked phone recordings a Senior Intelligence officer reportedly told leading t. V. Talk show hosts to influence their view as to back that decision contrary to widespread condemnation amongst muslims the newspaper quotes Intelligence Officer captain holy ghost so how is true islam different from the mullah which is the base of the Palestinian Authority in the occupied west bank captain al holly was quoted telling the talk show hosts an intifada would not egypts National Security interests and could revive hamas. Well it does deny these claims boss is not the only one accused saudi arabia has also been criticized for whats seen as some as a weak reaction to trumps policy change even as king solomon public is not strong the add to the throne crown Prince Mohammed bin solomon was reportedly urging palestinian leaders to accept the change meanwhile the arab league appears to be increasing its support for a palestinian state jordan hosted a meeting on saturday egypt morocco saudi arabia the United Arab Emirates and the palestinians were all in amman jordan as foreign minister iman safadi said the group would push the United Nations to formally recognize a palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital the u. N. Already considers East Jerusalem an occupied territory illegally and acts by israel in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven well lets go now to our guests and joining us from london via skype sami handy as International Interest and ramallah was stuff about the secretary of the Palestinian National initiative is also a former minister of information and in weybridge fast skype gunderson a middle east specialist at Kingston University london and i will welcome to all of you with other first of all if you will your response to this New York Times report on egypt you surprised by what a pretty shocking revelations i am not sure how serious this report is or how accurate it is because it is building the whole story on information leaking from one officer. Which contradicts the official positions that were declared very easy and we know that those israeli side so many other parties trying to put a list in use in confrontation with. Not only the United States but also with many arab countries and we will not allow that to happen but that does not mean we should not be very clear about our position as you lose a limb is the capital of palestine anybody who there has to touch the rights of the Palestinian People. In jerusalem over the rights of muslims and arabs in jerusalem or to christians as well will be perceived as a threat to the rights of people to history of this place ok and i do not buy much of what was said because i think it is exaggerated that its only on one point but one thing should be clear we want much stronger much harder and much clearer positions to confront what the president has done well thats it were going to get us all wrong in the arab world is a whole lot about later if it isnt you first of all national youre skeptical about this report but you must accept the New York Times if i write for newspapers and have a cup but patrick is a very respected journalist i wouldnt be putting something out that wasnt true. I know there might to be sure about the leak that they got but that leak doesnt mean much its about one person one captain who claims to be in Intelligence Service this is not the official position thats what im saying but thats the point isnt it that is that that what it wanted in the bearings from the official position yes we want more we want let me be frank with you we need what we want from all out up a Muslim Country does two things first of all to boycott israel to take away that embassies from israel to the two to disconnect all diplomatic relationships with israel if they exist and to participate in the come been for a book at the business and sanctions against israel to destroy in its policies against them and items location and the system of apartheid we know that we cannot ask about him is to come and fight israel but at least there has to be a complete boycott that would help us in our struggle to achieve freedom ok sunny i mean this paper article suggests that egypt is very far from a complete boycott and what mr offer is asking and in relation to support from the palestinians that publicly they may be saying one thing but behind closed doors saying something totally different i think i respect the diplomatic. Like you have to. Go and i feel that actions speak louder than words and i dont think this article really brings anything that we know lets take for example that under the mubarak regime barak at. The moment the tunnel by which the Smuggling Networks were taking place but. If youre going to. Become. One of the guard people once you have met you have no option but to go to israel with regard to me i think i could you can very clear we were once we got you we lot we expect us to go to war again i think thats. James an actor to work for. The very same very tough attitude problem whereby they genuinely believe that the palestinian cause is no longer well quite simple in other words. We are so desperate to keep the connection that they want to keep us in washington a piece of old course ok so i mean let me just let me just jump in the moment because its not just egyptians who is saying this if indeed we do believe this article to be true the saudis are also saying it and indeed weve had a tweet from the bahraini foreign minister on the eve of the United NationsGeneral Assembly meeting saying lets not get into an argument with the u. S. Over a side issue that relegating the palestinian issue to a side issue. Because your original question was asked about egypt but with regard to saudi arabia its the same thing with Mike Huckabee says man. Thats his quest to become king is such that he know he needs the u. S. Now hes not can get and he wants to because hes thinking why on earth would i want to upset my life over over the u. S. Who i need to become king over israel plus also i think with regard to the saudis and i think you know their interests are not political hoping to fight is the issue because the main quite important part of that is how many who are considered the brunt of the Muslim Brotherhood that would be the main the palestinian cause im number one cause we dont have to be a god and pray to the muslim brothers this very narrow minded for the sick from the saudis this very narrow minded policy from egypt and the proof of the saudi stance is that beheading would. Be safe and often when we can they would probably think its usually what the families dont want to see publicly thats proof that the saudis moving away from the palestine israel issue because at the oh to be honest i cant point any other word for it selfish interest in other words they believe iran is a great neighbor in the Muslim Brotherhood the great the threat to the companies what do you think god is that. Greater threat in other words everybody is a greater threat then you have also chosen and. The palestinian cause for once and your for arab nations. Just why is it not worth then to go all out to make their brothers in pakistan. Very very. Noble we have an occupying. Force. Keeping people out of their rightful home and instead of standing up stand up and saying we are. There to washington please please put me in a position of power ok. Lets forget nicholai head do you believe with sammy saying that the palestinian issue amongst the arabs in the arab region has become a side issue well i agree with much of what was just said that right now i think were seeing certain governments in the middle east courting trump and being courted by trump and it is about survival we should remember that the middle east today is not the same as the release of thirty forty years ago i think that many governments in the middle east are seizing more immediate challenges in their mind its about staying in power so they care about for example what will happen with that on what will happen with the blockade what about the protests for example what we call the arab spring so i think that there is much truth in what your guest has just said i think that support from trump is also another factor there are some who argue that trunk for example influenced the tsunami been solomons position as come prince there are some who argue that he also gave the green light to the current blockade so it would appear that some strongman if you like including in egypt they want to get into his good books and they will care more about that and their survival than they will the pound sign which is quite sad to see because of egypts symbolic importance as a hub of arab nationalism in the past and you know that is now kind of going downhill. Lets have a good see i mean what youve just been hearing that two guests very adamant that there is a shift away from interest in the palestinian cause to more selfish nationalistic interests where does that leave the palestinians. No i dont think that the palestinian issue can be marginalized as they try to marginalize it we had maybe a couple of very difficult years because of the internal disputes in the arab world because of the internal fights that are taking place but i think the palestinian cause came back very strongly nobody can move it off the table and maybe this is what the United States wishes for we know that some countries are so dependent on American Protection and that affects their policies but nothing will deviate us really as palestinians or nothing should divvy it up from concentrating on our main enemy which is israel and the occupation and the states which is what you know they collectively stuff a move that i must say and i must say also which i must take it more seriously and from arab states really i had some meetings weve had some condemnation thats what really theres been more action absolutely thats what i explained very clearly in my first answer we dont want just statements we are tired of statements we have a whole library of statements and condemnations which dont affect israel at all what we need are actions and we are also realistic enough to realize that we cannot ask them to fight israel but we can ask them differently to boycott israel we can ask them to respond to the will of their own peoples which have been out in the streets in millions sometimes against the from decision one more thing i think what many other governments dont realize suffocation plea is that israel is a threat not only to palestinians actually israelis conspiracy conspiring the now against egypt through the issue through through through with your regarding the water of the nile is there a list conspiring against jordan and if they are done with palestine and they would want to take part of jordan it is very clear i would even say they want to control the economy of the gulf countries so the sooner the arab countries realize that this. Israeli government is dangerous also for them the better their behavior will be but most of the arab countries are also seeing israel as a potential partner in their new push against iran thats a grave mistake against whom. There cannot think of this as we want to build an alliance with israel against maybe iran with other countries them in threat in this region is israel and those in the movement them in the threat is what israel is trying to impose and i think the sooner they can realize that the better because at the end of the day they will discover that they will have they would be harmed from such a relationship then they would benefit and at the end of the day i am saying if you cant help the Palestinian People please abstain from interfering let us continue our struggle and we are we can continue our struggle and we can manage to keep our question on the table and we can keep the palestinian struggle going on so if you cant help us please dont interfere ok nic i have to ask the palestinian struggle stay on the table here on and. Well thats a very question in your guest for example just mentioned jordan as one country thats also seen reactions to across decision jordan has a peace treaty with israel but at same time we have seen a lot of protests in jordan shortly after this announcement was made i have contacts in jordan and some palestinian and one of my contacts discussed how there were many many people who protested outside the American Embassy and they were saying to me you know it is my right as a palestinian this is my homeland and trump has crossed the unspoken red line now for jordan theres a balancing act here because on the one hand as i said theres the treaty with israel but theres a lot of palestinians in jordan jordanians of past in origin so i think that we cannot see that the issue of palestine will be marginalized for some governments perhaps they would say well we want to survive but i think for the people it is the pulse of the arab street that ultimately matters and that polls can certainly strike back at any announcement that trump decides is youre just going to happen the arab people do not want to recognize them as israels capital and i believe that this is an issue that could cause sufficient anger to to threaten certain certain powers yes i mean how concerned should the arab leaders be of that peoples reaction to any perceived sort of telling their back on the palestinians moving towards the u. S. Recognition of jerusalem as israels capital. No i would have to be really reaction because. The fact of the matter is. Ive got to priorities because ive been reading some of them suggesting that theres nothing wrong with going to israel for what it takes to exclude the architect so you know taking supplements and the like what really puzzled me is that jim i have them up sort of egypt despite all the kind of the general question brought to egypt remains in our history as i could be conscious down whenever i think obo is the man disputed he remains an item in arab history because at this time and israel i would hazard to guess that its easy to morrow also havent been telling them all to have them out of jordan oh good thats a call about syria or any of these different countries. That we are what im saying is you know we wear out that says the truth about the capital at the center of the lease and they mobilize their resources to making sure that trust back then withdrew to them and letting israel know that this is a red line all of the arab people would tender out and say you know what we dont put the turned a blind eye to this oppression and we can stand behind this leader on the back of israel palestine and the proof of that and look at the prospect and look at the popularity in the arab world has hold because he is the only arab leader who has come alone even with leader who has come out and condemned jerusalem capital in them at that time he described as defiance ok but funny. When know when one thing that were not saying can follow and all of us are not all sisi doing that. Well i was present narrow minded Foreign Policy very tribal its very very jewish its very much for your interests above everybody else i want to be king are you want to be a pow i want to bring about my people my community my brother can palestine a wrong injustice needs to be overturned with what the israelis did to the in people with the fact that israel is the thing on party land is very few people are not that belong to muhammad the man comes and there is brother everything there instead of trying to make his brother thats one of. The you want a brother or a great the threat. So this narrow minded for what is the problem for you being perfectly correct what actually needs a very serious problem for c. C. And wound up in the med ok listen the real israel does not genuinely believe that that matter can ever be a true ally because what it might become today we may see a very different picture very different policy one that doesnt necessarily require rushing to that the whole of the inside story some just going to move on now to mustafa we know its mean why do reported on the not. Agree on doesnt except as by a bus confound rather by a bus that abbas visited riyadh and november just before the u. S. Is announcement officials close supposedly a ship of cold out there its been widely reported again that the conference supposedly to us about to forego the capsule in East Jerusalem and accept a truncated deal how much pressure is being put on about. You know this is story is not true because i heard mr arbors and he reported about his meeting and he never mentioned what you are saying so i dont rely on rumors official positions that we hear but let me explain the essence of the issue today their main issue is that the arabs and maybe the palestinian leadership the p. L. O. Leadership thought that israel is ready for a compromise solution that comes at the expense of many palestinian rights like giving us a state in only twenty two percent of the land while they were undecided we should get forty four percent and we deserve probably more yet they thought there will be a two state solution and there will be a compromise that will bring peace that was the basis of course for agreement on the madrid conference and after that the Arab Initiative but thing