Urged buddhist leaders in myanmar to tackle prejudice and hatred during his visit to the countrys largest city young gone the pontiff again avoided using the term. The Muslim Minority from the right kind stay. As the headlines the news hour is coming up in half an hours time off the inside story which starts now. Whos to blame for african migrants being sold as slaves and European Countries rushed to help libyans get rid of gadhafi quickly abandon them how come and legal migration be controlled in a failed state this is inside stories. Other than welcome to the program im laura kyle video of slaves apparently being auctioned in libya is causing widespread outrage politicians in europe are keen to stem the flow of african refugees and migrants but they often drowned in the mediterranean or left stranded in transit countries like libya where they were torture right and forced labor even by governments and libya is promising to increase the number of flights repat tracing stranded like prince and the u. N. Security council has held an emergency session to discuss people trafficking in libya maybe as ambassador to the United Nations is promising a full investigation into the slave auction video. By the madonna cannot go by that. Ive issued directives to the Specialized Security bodies in order to authenticate the video recording and if the recording is indeed authentic then authorities will pursue the criminals and will present them to justice as soon as possible we would also like to confirm that any violations against or mistreatment of Illegal Migrants are isolated and individual actions are not systemic at all well the french ambassador to the u. N. Is calling for targeted sanctions against people trafficker. So as him from innocence was on this regime established under resolution nineteen seventy will enable us to set up targeted sanctions and implement them against individuals implicated in Human Trafficking or into their responsibility for grave violations of human rights Francine Prose to assist the sanctions committee chaired by sweden in identifying responsible individuals and entities for trafficking through libyan territory we count upon support of the members of the council to make headway to that end. People Trafficking Networks have flourished in libya since warmonger darfur was deposed and killed six years ago here in back government in tripoli says its trying to speed up the deportation of Illegal Migrants at the tarik Detention Center in the capital hundred and forty nigerian migrants were given temporary travel documents on tuesday before being bussed to the airport thousands of others remain imprisoned in Detention Centers across libya well lets bring in our guests now from tripoli salah al back crucial libyan political analyst and a Senior Advisor to the negotiating team of the high council of state engine eva Leonard Doyle hes the spokesman for the International Organization for migration and from cambridge via skype reales smith managing director of Libya Analysis a Consultancy Organization specializing in producing reports on libya very warm welcome to all of you thanks for being here on inside story salah your story you were kidnapped in libya not so long ago and afterwards taken to a detention facility can you talk us through that whole experience. Well the this was in this january hours could now be midnight with some friends and i was taken that night to a center was a my illegal Migrant Center i found that out when they drove us through the gate there was a big sign and this very well known facility we were deposited in a cell that we never left until we escaped two months later but from the cell from a small window at the top of the door we can see Illegal Immigrants go in out to the courtyard washing their clothes and there were men women and children. Young guys three years old they were playing a rod they were washing their clothes and. Walking around the sun while we never left the cellar to always keep this was a Detention Center the food was. Too hot meals a day with fruits and juices and drinks all the furnishings were either a marked i or m. Usa r d British EmbassyGerman Embassy and the bedding at the sheets and the blankets so that was the case there and you make it sound like this is tension sense was an acceptable standard would you agree with us. I think it was acceptable however we. Are sometimes you know some. Migrants get beaten. There is no doubt i mean nobody in libya questions the fact that Illegal Immigrants out badly treated in libya by smugglers and by. Inexperienced and untrained staff at these Migrant Centers how did you escape were we escaped after these gangs were pushed out of their original. Hold out to the old tripoli airport. When they were attacked again we were afraid that were going to get killed in the crossfire so we escaped we broke out midnight and we escaped from tripolis airport all the way to Tripoli Center just one last question with for bring in our other guests why when you were rescued from your kidnappers did you end up in a Detention Center for Illegal Migrants when you go so far libyan how will you know i suppose i suppose that some of these centers are run by people who are supposedly legal custodian of the place they are cooperating with some gangs or they themselves have. Two types of work one governmental and one gangster like job let us bring you in at this point because the i. O. M. Has been doing a lot of work in these Detention Centers or salah says it provides maps ases and things for the detainees to use and yet youre calling organizations calling for the sanctions to be closed down why is that. There are two types of Detention Center there are the socalled government run on the one hand which is what i think your guest is talking about and then there are a lot of others which are being run by militia types and criminals and traffickers and i think what hes describing is probably right that there are people who are double jobbing and this is precisely why we want the migrants to be free to be taken home to be voluntarily but brought back to their homes because clearly theres a degree of exploitation taking place clearly there is no rule of law in the in the proper meaning of the term happening so while the International Community is supporting i. O. M. In bringing in humanitarian aid for example clean mattresses for example food and toiletries and what have you we need more than that we need to ensure that when the door closes and we leave that the place is still safe for migrants and for other libyans because i think another thing that comes out in this interview is that regular libyans are also being predated upon by criminals and by militia types and thats as important if just as important as the migrants who they have no special status the problem is rule of law i will certainly get on to that the bigger broader problem in libya is rule of law or lack of it just want to take a step back for a moment because we are talking about slave markets here in this Discussion Program and that and i know that the i. O. M. Has known about this for some time and indeed reported it but why do you think now its grabbed the worlds attention well look i think the problem is that we reported back in april or may have this year and it did cause a degree of concern of course it did and some of our staff were no longer able to work in libya and there was a lot of upset at i. O. M. For having done this because its quite an accusation to make in the meantime journalists from c. N. N. You know would manage to get in to get video footage i think whats actually happened is that the broader narrative about migration has gone very toxic. So the fact of leaving your home in a poor west african country and seeking a better life somewhere else is now being seen as a terrible thing to do youre seen in the western media in particular as a queue jumpers an opportunist somebody who deserved to be put in detention and sent home so when people were drowning and when there are stories of migrants in detention there was limited sympathy for it i think what happened last week is seeing video footage of people being literally action and has taken people aback and theyve given pause to their prejudices about migrants but migrants and theyre thinking oh my goodness something that was banned two hundred years ago is actually happening in our time under our watch slave auctions i think thats whats changed and its taken this problem to a whole nother level so the tolerance of the abuse of migrants is now not being tolerated thank goodness we are would you agree with that ninety percent of refugees and migrants trying to reach europe pass through libya i mean thats a huge number of very Vulnerable People do you think part of the problem has been that theres been limited sympathy for them you know and i think that impacts both in libya and on the european side and as i think both of your guests mentioned you know the situation in libya is dire in itself the libyans themselves are suffering and you know the migrant trade of people passing through libya this is been going on for decades and under gadhafi its you know increased a lot and their conditions havent really got a lot worse and actually for a lot rubins the reality is that theyre very much concerned with trying to sort their own problems out there and economy their own political issues protecting their own lives so there is that and that issue and then from the european perspective i think as again and your guess is mentioned from your domestic incision the antarctic has been over rising migration and he migrant and therefore its only really when youre seeing this kind of Video Evidence of what does that mean. People who are stopped from coming to europe who are and you know in these horrific conditions in libya what does that mean for now and then we saw some see how these are real people that suffering through this you know i really conditions and actually this is something that in past years as a part time pushing these monks were stopping them from coming here illegally or having any recourse to justice really when i run some of what role do you see europe playing in creating these conditions the europeans have to face up to this problem take some serious action but trying to subcontract the job to countries in the military and our other countries that are well equipped there they dont have the resources and they dont know what to do i mean they have their own problems to deal with and this puts the migrants at risk and the u. P. A. I mean look at what mr micawber is doing i mean two weeks ago there now was the great guess you take in twenty five refugees out of for over forty thousand in Government Centers and in libya i mean. Theres american talks about you know maybe setting up spots or whatever they call them in libya to process. Or grants and this type of Bandaid Solutions are not going to work that hes right isnt he i mean if we look at reports weve got italy as an example or a port city i say of its late paying less is inside libya to deter migrants from getting on the boats and making their way to europe thereby creating a backlog of people heard stream the vulnerable so being abused by people traffickers and smugglers and criminal gangs. I think thats really quite naive if you dont mind my saying so the notion that any country in the world should facilitate irregular migrant to it shores i mean for goodness sakes look at the political reaction thats happening in europe to the large numbers of economic migrants whove been coming through without passports without going through the proper of egypt visa process is what your guest has said is right the visa process is the capacity of europe or the willingness of europe to accept people legally is appallingly weak legal pathways need to be created but that does not mean that one has to open ones doors and bring everybody in because the obvious reason is that communities are feeling whether rightly or wrongly feeling overwhelmed and theyre starting to vote extreme right do we want to see fascism return to europe i hope not so there has to be managed migration i mean thats the whole point you can this notion that you have open borders for the birds if you have nation states you have to manage the borders we have to obviously allow for circular migration if there are harvest to be gathered in europe and if migrants wish to come and do that work and return of course its a really good thing to do because guess what most migrants dont want to live. In northern climates where the food is bad and the climate is worse they want to live with their own communities but theyd like to be able to go and work and they work so hard and bring the resource back thats europes problem right there creating circular migration but lets not blame europe for the crimes of individual human beings in libya for goodness sakes ok if theyre not the ones who are running the slave auctions that is the criminal act thats happening where what was your thoughts on that because we do have the u. N. Human rights chief saying that europes policy of helping libyan authorities intercept migrants and refugees and return them to prisons is inhumane yes i would agree with that although i agree with your your other guest in terms of because borders and all the rest of course has to be in atlanta but equally what weve seen happen in libya in the last month over the summer is the italians and others actively supporting militias on the ground to turn back libyans off the libyans and migrants i apologize often even when theyre in International Waters which go to get International Humanitarian law from that perspective but also knowing that they are turning them back to these conditions that were now seeing in these videos to the dissensions and often then i have a government run that is being held by a militia no recourse to justice you know rape torture all of these you know reports that were hearing and i think there is a degree of responsibility on the european nations not specifically you know the sentiment strain was i think this should be at an e. U. Level and in terms of how europe as a whole excepts might how they deal with illegal migration and also trying to make more. Illegal migration again as your other guest said but you know i think that there is a degree but hans ability there and actually what weve seen since the numbers have been cut down and sent people and the miners have been turned back as you seen christening since the summer thats often more and more these reports are coming because whats happening is all the markets have been turned back and are concentrated in not these coastal areas in western libya which is means more of the crowding. Issues which against the backdrop of the economic crisis and the conflict ongoing in libya isnt a recipe for a humanitarian disaster so we have two different opinions here what the people in the way to people in libya place the blame for this situation. Libyans a libya are more aware of the history of the continent then you guessed yes these people that are supposedly selling. Other people are criminals but the criminality really is the colonial colonization of africa raber with resources by the europeans and their long time support of despotic regimes in africa otherwise these people may not ever have tried to go to europe they could have stayed in their countries thats the real criminal act and now europe has to face up to this stuff and cannot say well you know i cannot accept everybody and the criminals are the libyans or the tunisians or the turks theres the theres the real criminal act and thats what the root cause of this problem is not have development lets just take a quick step back here and take a look at how we got here we got libyas revolution quickly going from peaceful protests to Armed Conflict on the nineteenth of march two thousand and eleven United NationsSecurity Council voted to impose a no fly zone over libya french jets began bombing libya just hours after the resolution was passed in september a conference was held in paris to discuss reshaping libya Moammar Gadhafi urged his supporters to fight on brill the interim Prime Minister arrived in tripoli as part of the new interim government called the National Transition council little suckers either then french president and David Cameron the then british Prime Minister lands in libya to a heros welcome. Mustafa abdel jalil the leader of the National Transitional council declared libya liberated eight months after the uprising against Moammar Gadhafi began whether when we look at that timeline we can see that france in europe with the lead agents in the downfall of gadhafi so surely that should be some bearing of responsibility for the state that libya is in today i mean are you actually suggesting that they should have propped up that dictator with the suggestion because i think that would be you know farcical and just let me just return to some of the points made some of which were i thought were excellent but lets just ask the question do we