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ALJAZ The Stream 2017 Ep 186 November 21, 2017

A report by Amnesty International the two year long investigation says authorities have been segregating range in open air prisons by confining them to their villages recent military crackdown there has forced more than six hundred thousand range of muslims to flee to bangladesh stay with us here now to see what next up is the stream and theyll be discovered. By. I. I im very ok im going the strain. On your. Comment the stream team is that they were trying to get your comments on to the show now what you saw was a speaker of parliament. Member the twenty first announcing the resignation of the now former president Robert Mugabe facing intense pressure from both the public and his own. Party the ninety three year old mcgarvey stepped down just one week after the army placed him under house arrest of course the conversation about the end of mugabes thirty seven tenure is buzzing online look at that his medical bills. Buzzing might be an understatement when it comes to this story from the high hopes of saturdays solidarity march to being disappointed by mugabes speech on sunday in which he defied calls to resign many zimbabweans are now openly celebrating the resignation of the only president theyve ever known and lets side of mugabes departure from office ignited a huge discussion online and these are just some of the hashtags the marlins have been using in the last few days to share their stories from the streets of harare from save them to my new zimbabwe two mugabi must go on as news continues to break a number of people have weighed in on what mugabes departure means to them including an account parroting the partys official twitter r g m a gabi has resigned the new era has begun zamora a writes i never thought i would live to see the day mugabi resigns history has been written not all zimbabweans are celebrating though many sweetheart writes mugabe is no longer our president im not happy about it that man protected us for years others were forecasting the road ahead trevor a news publisher in zimbabwe says he was emotional adding that he also never thought i would see this day this is a stepping stone towards the zimbabwe we want but it wont be easy thanks the neko with us now our roving africa correspondent who room attacked in harare mr hariri there are times when reporting gets personal you are a zimbabwean these last three day what is it been like sharing this story with us at aljazeera. I still cant believe it following events the girl having imported in this country for so long having been born here grown up here when school here is still so real im still struggling to just call him Robert Mugabe youve always called him the president understand hes has had been such a big part of every zimbabwean life you know from the policies that we grew up and from from the way the family ran the country every zimbabwean was affected and i was thinking about how there were good and bad days and how it is almost sad that now hes being remembered for all the things that were wrong in this country and the economy the corruption the nepotism but there was a time and i remember the time that i was growing up here education i got probably the best education you can even ask for here he pushed through an education for policy he wanted particularly black zimbabweans to be educated because remember in the colonial years in white minority rule blacks were given any theory education and he really pushed that and in terms of land i mean yes the way it was done was chaotic everyone knows that but people understand that you couldnt have a system where a white minority had most of the good land so people did say in that sense thank you thank you for trying to redistribute land and forcibly things in a horribly horribly wrong its its been emotional it has been a really emotional theyve been really hard trying to get to separate yourself and be objective as a reporter reporting on the story ive tried ive tried my best but it has been really really emotional reporting on the scene the highs and lows this countrys been to the seeing a great man in school you look up to him and think of him as your grandfather you know what is what is he doing today what what is he. Doing for the country what is he done for the country and its just sad to think to a lot of to go downhill i was surprised that he went down this way im one of those who never thought hed go mugabe was have become entrenched in your life and now that hes gone. I. I still call i still cant believe they me. Thank you for your personal take on what its been like reporting today from harare zimbabwe we will keep an eye on your reporting on aljazeera english and also if youre watching your following online you can follow her room at twitter and shes at my taseff thanks very well joining us now from harare to discuss what the future of zimbabwe might look like without mugabe at the helm bright matonga is a former spokesman for the governing zanu p. F. Party as well as mugabes government mcdonald the money guy is a political analyst. Is also a political analyst and linda my study there is a human rights activists she also hopes to represent what are essential as a member of Parliament Welcome to the stream everyone and its involvements what an amazing day it has been for you and right you should share with us where you were when you heard the news that president Robert Mugabe was stepping down. And. Sitting about what was the. Most. When you did the march goes i was the one on the my. House so to speak. So i followed this whole process i went to parliament i wanted to make sure that you know we you know. I wish that you know hed done this in a dignified manner so thats why were pushing hard you know we mobilized people so that he can see says i was happy with the speaker read that you know i robot garbage do here by ten am i just went to while it was. But i can say thank you mr president thank you for the more than forty years that you from preindependence postindependence there are a lot of good memories you know you are fearless. You will go getta thats unfortunate things had to happen the way that happened but but today is reseller britain the good the bad in the ugly story are and rationally unfortunately Mama Mama Mama just messed everything up for us but while father you are such a role model Education Empowerment those are the things that we the good things that i can remember of course there were bad things also you know who doesnt do bad things is part of the history of the country but good and bad things but today is another day just so happy that hes decided. To spend time it is wrong maybe to write his memoirs you know brandon are not the only one here youre not the only one feeling like that you mention independence i want to bring up this week from eugene he says this is the second independence born zimbabwe since gaining independence in one nine hundred eighty we have endured the woes of mugabes reign hash tag mugabi or designed its the end game to ever heem at mcdonalds you see here hes treating this as an Independence Day is that how youre feeling or whats going through your head. Well. Well i think that the political moments it definitely. Wasnt dependence. But but but if i was too much of what was happening in mexico which is the equates to me that i was born out of other assume that a lot of the feelings that we have a similar to what people think but its what makes this situation a bit different its that mixed feelings i think that when colonialism ended. Thirty two people it was a spiritual experience about it but it does give it a lot but i just talked about some of the things that was talked about. The most and so we just get to go and we have to. Succumb to pressure but then also something that some people associate to doing good work. And i think that that also. Makes students with used budgets cuts and but thats one group of people who are not but people like my so to see it go but were still concerned it was robot. It was that lead to it what is happening now is. That when we begin to think that the old hip symptom is. What is its a little bit because of that but its yes because i look at that is because its so wedded to deceive the president who still. That is save that is responsible but this is the one that is going to. Let me share this if you tout your political analyst there are lots of political analysts on twitter as well let me share this tweet with you when i got is a former Vice President and she went ahead of him badly and militant they all worked in this together and one of them will be in line to the throne yet both men were former allies of the gobby and a both above seventy years old do we now see a pattern so were looking at forward looking ahead is it possible that there could be more of the same tile or is this really a big milestone for zimbabwe. Well first of all good evening to all of you and your view on this. I think its important that everyone recognizes that this is this is a moment yes in that historical moment however what we should be celebrating is the activation of the zimbabwean constitution the constitution that was in that in twenty thirty its now coming into play the military which i take my hat off to the conduct of the operation under the guidance of the constitution and even as we are where we are today is because of what the constitution provides for us as citizens. And therefore i am celebrating a moment where the constitution has come to life constitutionalism has come to life a president is being set for the future. In that light also say that. While everyone is euphoric everyone is very happy understandably maybe perhaps some people or. I would also say that that euphoria nine hundred eighty is what got us to where we are today people forgot to focus on institution and focus on emotions and those emotions were embodied in robert. Robert mugabe became the system. And that system got us to where we are today and therefore i would rather recommend that people focus on the institution that we have to build from the moment is great but tomorrow we have a lot of work out how do you do that what is focus on institutions actually means. Today which is the evening heading into wednesday what do you do wednesday. Morning of. Question who will be the president. Whos the acting president. What was going to be happening i dont think. Those are the questions that we should be addressing right now so that tomorrow you dont find someone in a power grab a vacuum and jump in to fill that so youre not the only one asking those questions other people watching the show live on you tube this is sal hes one of them he says i hope the power vacuum he leaves behind meaning mugabe doesnt cause chaos for those who will fight for power now that hes gone he goes on to ask us questions ourselves will grayson gary try to stay on politics or will she go into exile of course a lot of unknowns there bright but what do you make of what will happen next the session was bright yellow high. Looks like we might have just dropped a bright so linda im going to give this one to you we have a lot of people online asking about is are going to be power grabbing and what will happen to both Robert Mugabe and his wife grace mugabe when there are those questions that are on your mind as well. I dont have those questions right now because a militant reason garden was expelled from seoul appears and from politics and i didnt mean that is any Political Parties involved with that will be able to take the stage to do what they can into their political but and mugabe has resigned which shows that she wants nothing to do with politics or to date with it was call westley didnt voluntarily but we have to call it and say opposition get organized and which again onto the track and right now if theres going to be a power struggle we. Hear frankenstein tell you mentioned how the constitution was working in zimbabwe that is why president mugabe had to resign a cali boy here says to us in a strange pessimist obvious resignation should not be based on military intervention that doesnt promote democracy in africa and you say what. If if if were contrived to bring some context into. The military intervention that we saw last week when the first lady or former first lady now began her socalled rallies back in twenty forty before former Vice President joyce would you was expelled from the. She i think grew a very big head politically although she was a political move with. Now to cut a long story short by the time that she started these rallies again in twenty sixty she particularly was offensive at one rally in last year with the directly attacked the military and directly attacked president in other words sometimes what was perceived to be vulgar terms. From there she was considered a Security Threat reports were rife in private media. In different political circles that the military were unhappy with the content she was causing but. Over two years this is not an intervention in the in the context of seizing power i think thats a misconception what they did was. Stop what was going to be an explosive situation actually succeeded in taking over the Vice President let me just. Show every second of every decision out of a dot com as theres an indepth portrayed of Robert Mugabe and his presidency this is the newly elected Robert Mugabe as we go back thirty seven years mcdonald when you look at this picture and you look at the hope and the joy in this picture what would you say is the legacy of president mugabe. Well it certainly got there. And i think that that that is something that. Sort of been covered but when people talk about legacy its usually to both talk about one or two things that. Are most remembered for and then the end. For the special attempt at all of them to form. The next election but at this point the way that he has fallen out. Can element of his legacy that he wants from him but hes also. President of a country that to serve in the us and was forced to leave his Political Party is people do not want to diminish and i think that thats going to be a definitive part of his of his legacy clearly its unfortunate for members lets just. See in the way that the country and the champion often causes that. But i would pull out all substance because its over there is its moment its political life. So heres another remember ends up with abbys a legacy solver on twitter says unfortunately his resignation came a little bit too late hell be remembered as a man who tried to cling on in spite of the peoples call as a gambler with faith who tried to postpone the inevitable but pushing forward a little bit and to what will happen next we got actually got this comment from a member of the opposition in d. C. Of which morgan chang or i is the president its good to told us we see the removal abu dhabi not as the end but just as the beginning of the democratization process in zimbabwe we want a total democratization of the country we want a la tour reforms that will make sure a proper Electoral Commission will be able to conduct elections that are free and fair linda what do you make about comment. When i made the comment is that it is the actual reality on the ground full of positions this is the time for opposition to regroup have focus and actually ensure that the push for electoral reforms it was for democracy to be to be a reality and zimbabwe not just the would we have suffered of the unions from unconstitutional is in we have suffered from a lot of violence nonalignment of rules of the constitution of zimbabwe which is the a very big challenge for opposition and huge penetrate in those zanu p. F. Strongholds but at the end of the day everyone has got the freedom of association and that should be allowed to associate with a part of your choice so. We actually need to regroup. As Political Parties especially the opposition. Come. Of changing the system because at the end of the day celebrated thats when god god is not enough because we have to sustain that we have to dealt the question still a system of corruption this is what we have a system to do to try to write. And Going Forward doesnt happen who wants to see the parents which as you bubbles pop up paul says will probably get jobs what is critically important right now is to ensure that we have the system of health and bob it was not fortunate that some people inherited the Smith Machine and the smiths is the main way of doing things and never tried to change that system Going Forwards that will take some of the challenges that we have to start working on how do we change the system how do we transform zimbabwe interest social democratic developmental state to stop people who are just just just briefly i think that what everyone should should remember and should just accept especially the opposition circles is that if an election is called for instance in the next six months as provided for by the constitution the opposition doesnt stand and doesnt stand a chance because the euphoria that people are experiencing and expressing today. For the removal of president Robert Mugabe is the same euphoria the express of the ballot when Vice President ever so memorable is running for the presidency and the opposition should look look to twenty three as the next opportunity perhaps to have some space because as it. Is their. Popularity could wind up. Yes different because we should not forget that emerson that was not popular he didnt want to be the Transitional Government if we got to the final its im going to the record and i can certainly know that if youre just trying to case if youre trying to keep up with us how to type for a minute try to keep up with us linda that was referring to the Vice President who actually was fired and had to leave the country. Just playing back in bright bright you said that you were part of this movement to get rid of president mugabe you are happy that hes gone what is the plan next you were sitting in Parliament Earlier today you were happy to hear about the resignation now what. Does all this one in. President of of the bubble. You would do that and you. Want to finish him that they didnt go to peace between eighteen and that is what is provided for in the constitution. Saw but i think the big task for me. Is to unite the peo

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