Stopped respecting him. And i remembered this parallel with jack london in the novel martin eiden, the hero is ironing, he rents a room somewhere, he is perceived as, well , relatively speaking, a person of a higher class, uh, the owner of this apartment, and at some point he begins to iron, helps her to iron, she understands that he is very good at this knows how to do it, and he worked in the laundry, and when she saw this, she stopped respecting him, that is , i thought you were a gentleman, but it turns out you are one of ours. Yes, and actually, this is a very funny one, that is, a person stops respecting another person, realizing that they are on equal positions, this is very funny, yes, that is, i i thought that you were socially superior, so to speak, but it turns out, brother, people change when they see who a person is, in fact, this doesnt seem entirely correct to me, that is, they dont look at his inner world, not at his soul , but simply on his position, on his actions, on status, yes on status, but mark twain, it seems to me. He is a socialist and this is especially felt when two swindlers appear in huckelberifin, who pretend to be the king and the duke, they simply fall on the neck of these jim and huck, who are traveling on a raft, starting from them drink blood, that is, they begin to throw hysterics that i am the duke, i need to serve food, and huck and jim reason like this, so that he calms down, its not difficult for us, please, we will serve him during meals, call him yours majesty and so on, but at some point. Of course, he immediately understands that they are scammers, but at some point jim also realizes this, he says, listen, but they are neither a king nor a duke, they are similar scammers, even though 3 days of sharp eyes noticed something, but jim is a man, like a relative, but it turns out that he is a rapist, and somehow he doesnt particularly delve into what kind of social and hierarchy people have there, and he believes at first that this is the king and the duke, but then he shares his suspicions with ggek, and he answers believe me, the real king and duke, they are no different from the real one, they brought themselves out in the same way , what else is wonderful about this book is that through each page jim literally gradually turns from a thing into a person, perception, again, gekko and so on, that is, this is precisely the message of the book, i think, because well for america at that time, it was a monstrous shock that a black man , that you suddenly. The book shows how a person , who was previously read as a thing, reasons, thinks, shows some completely human things, emotions, and so on, well, when tom was wounded in the leg, g could have run away, but he stayed so that the boy could be saved , this book was so essentially a slap in the face to American Society that now this book is probably banned in america now, i dont even know, because no , not prohibited, but there they rewrote all sorts of nwords into more politically correct ones, so that i wonder what kind of africanamerican they are, or Something Like that . I dont know, i have a hard time imagining how jim could be called an africanamerican, but by the way, this is very typical of this modern leftist agenda, the struggle with form, the struggle, firstly, rewriting, yes, absolutely superfluous, absolutely unnecessary, but secondly, the fight with the appearance of a fight with form, not content, we will fight with the nword, and the fact that it is. The book is an absolute manifesto against racism, we lets close our eyes, like, well, yes, and say that the book is wrong, thats it, yes, yes, yes, like, guys, you wanted to fight racism, in the end you cross out words from books, these are slightly different levels, yes , in fact, its a completely antirussian manifesto, i want to say that i found some interesting details in the life of slaves, uh, for example, i realized that dreadlocks it turns out, well, there s one black man there who sees spirits no. Dreadlocks are protection from witches, now i know that. By the way, there is something in chinese mythology its similar, only they dont use hair ; they insert strings, but they simply weave a huge, roughly speaking, rope out of many, many ropes, and it also protects against spirits. Both books, tom soyer and hekel berifin, they are full of these superstitious signs, you cant touch the skin of a rattlesnake, you have to spit over your shoulder, it s very funny, and it enriches, i would say, that is, the culture of another. Follow this light, i probably wont touch the skin of a rattlesnake, where you find it, lets start with well find this, okay, sasha, maybe you want to add something, uh, you said that mark twain, and this is a typical american writer, one of the pillars of American Literature, and how does American Literature generally differ from russian literature, i have my own opinion , but i wanted to listen to yours, American Literature in general, in my opinion. It s more travel literature, yes, road movies are like that all the time, its marquen and the same jack london and ambrose bierce, the greatest of whom i consider him one of the greats. American literature is, as a rule, for the most part a journey through the dark side of oneself, this is constantly visible in hemmingway, in the great, in my opinion, lovecraft, this is also there, because lovecraft, i believe, is simply the quintessential American Literature, let its already quite tabloid, yes, quite magazine , but i believe that lovecraft simply took everything from American Literature from this path through the dark sides of himself, huckelfin, this is also where i started and the conversation, this is a dark, gloomy journey with your guide, who listens to the spirits, from a person who may have died, that is , again, huck huck is dead, i think he is dead , this is the journey of a dead man, by the way, this is exactly about souls, this is a very interesting comparison , unexpected, you wont believe how much, when i read it, i really, i directly saw the parallels, theyre really very strong, you mean chichikov, who travels through russia and sees different characters, thats exactly where they talk about how a person travels , and i initially, when i read dead souls, i initially thought that chichikov was a god with youth and even a character , lets say, in dead souls there is such a character zhaglo, in finanos gerel there is an episode where they killed the old man of boxing, unfortunately, here i am now if you can just take a simple sketch of an american town, this box is killed by some confident, simple man with a gun and some girl is running there crying. This confident man with a gun, he reminds me very much of the same thing that was mentioned about jugglery by the way also in hecal fin here is Maurice Maurice gerald if i remember correctly from the headless horseman that is, this is the strength of spirit that is how he crowded just one man against a huge man says there is no man among you there is no leader among you you are a crowd but you have no the one who makes the decision. I dont think so, well, its very american , i would say, i would say that its just a cultural manifesto, such that anyone in American Culture can shoot, yes, has the right to shoot anyone who comes to his territory, this is a very important point, why is huck such a cool guy , really cool, we understand that he is, firstly , a good person, secondly, he knows a lot, he knows how to live, he knows how to set priorities, why he listens to tom sawyer, these are homemade. Boys, hes also an absolute leader, he immediately subjugates everyone to himself, why this happens, its very funny, because hes a geek who told life, who knows all this, thats how it all works works, how it all happens, still falls for this social trick, for the status of a volume, to the status of a person who, well, hes kind of taller than me, hes probably like, yes, well, you need to listen to him, and respect him, respect, by the way, he also reads some books, let him in a completely delusional combination, but he throws around some names, there , king henry, marie antoinita, that is, he somehow imagines the story, after all, he was driven to a couples school, by the way, heres another rather funny parallel, quite interesting, in the first book tom tells huck some things, what he says, and what is it there, in my opinion a monologue or Something Else like that, and then they explain to him what these words mean, because huck is not wellread, and he doesnt even know the alphabet, he doesnt know how to read anything. But in the second book, on the contrary , jim asks ggek what certain words mean, what certain books mean, the writer did not notice that there is a continuation. That this is rather the evolution of huck, you can see here , because huck received, in the period from the first to the second book, he received an education and it was dawa who drove him to school, yes, yes, and that too it is clear that huck is very capable of learning, and he learns very quickly, so its very cool that he went from an uneducated person, on the contrary, he turns into a person who teaches uneducated people, by the way, its not even a fact that he pawned the car into the text, because last year the wonderful poet Dmitry Vodennikov expressed the idea that it is from the writers mistakes that the true magic of the text is sometimes born, so perhaps this case, class, this is a very cool observation, the owners are a genius, i agree, okay, guys, thank you very much for the interesting conversation, this was a must read podcast, im aglaina batnikova, my guest was. The writer and poet Alexander Pelevin and film actor daniil muravyov, we discussed, very interesting, we talked about tom soire and huckleberry finn, the famous novels of mark twain, was very interesting, thank you, mutually, it was great. This is a podcast of the first persons and me and its host natalya losyeva, the person who was my guest today became an official or unofficial symbol of the pandemic, well, in any case in case, many journalists decided , his face was on billboards, on the covers of newspapers and magazines, although he is a doctor, anesthetologistrenimatologist, doctor of medical sciences, chief physician of the most famous hospital in the commune, denis protsenko. Hello, denis nikolaevich, hello, natalia, well, how was it for you, seeing yourself on billboards was probably unusual, and remains unusual, because somehow medicine, by and large, does not involve these stories, in fact, this a feeling of unfamiliarity, maybe even some discomfort, it persists, how people reacted to you on the street, and now , when, when you became recognizable, well. They reacted accordingly, that it was impossible to go anywhere because they asked for a selfie, to take photographs, i never refused , but i cant say that it gave me pleasure, that it gave me pleasure, now from time to time they probably recognize me, fortunately, less often, now they probably still recognize me more, my colleagues, when you now remember the pandemic, thats what you have, its some kind of. Then you know such a slight nostalgia for a time in which there was drama and tragedy, at the same time romance or . I havent gotten sick yet with a shudder, no, probably, if not with me, if not with us, some kind of movie was noticed like a nightmare, yes, you know, they say that the brain tries to forget all the negative moments, for example, an unconscious comatose state , its the brain that blocks and doesnt want to remember some unpleasant emotions, its probably the same with the story with covid, but it was scary, no, its probably not a feeling of fear after all, i dont know, as we will formulate now, and you and i will formulate it precisely, no, it may be some kind of rather a feeling of confusion, because you , especially in the first wave, do not know, do not understand, protocols are changing, world protocols are changing, such information chaos with tossing from side to side, im talking about drug therapy , about approaches to respiratory support , probably, if you ask me what i would like most, i would most like not to be asked a question about covid, here so globally, well, ill ask just a little bit, but did you, you know, have such a fear that you wouldnt save someone important . No, by the way, there was no feeling of fear, probably for one simple reason, i was not alone in this situation, there was a whole team, a commune team, a team of moscow chief doctors, this is the entire social bloc, and you felt support, attempts to solve problems not one on one, all together, and i think this. A feeling of elbow room, that feeling of a team, it largely determined the absence of this fear, scary, probably, when you can do something and dont do it, then its probably scary, many people stayed with you after that period, someone left, you broke up with someone because you realized that this put of salt you didnt eat the wrong thing together, but no, you know, the main core that came , it stayed, we parted ways with the guys with the doctors, with the nurses, with the medical brothers with whom we had a fixedterm contract for a temporary hospital, the main the team remained the other way around, such si says about some corporate stories there, this covid has really united the team, because well, there are always some therapists, surgeons who are a little cooler, and there is someone there, some kind of stratification between specialties, it has completely disappeared over time during covid, because traumatologists, surgeons, anesthetologists , resuscitation specialists, therapists were all doing the same thing, this feeling of a team, it is preserved now, i when it. Its certainly a thrill. Lets remember that the commune became a hospital that reached the first front, during a pandemic, in general, contrary to its original purpose, yes , after all, you were just preparing to open the fortieth hospital as a leading clinic, and you had completely different expectations, then suddenly just like that, it was all an annoyance, you was it some kind of timelessness, or do you now understand that in the end, that for its main. Profile of purpose, the fortieth hospital , on the contrary, went through some kind of hardening there, well, it seems to me that this is a very important point for me, that there is no need to delay blanket only for kommunarka, the fiftysecond hospital changed its profile, the fifteenth hospital changed its profile, a number of other hospitals, they reformatted their work and became covid hospitals, so i think it was not only the communarka that survived this, but the fact that this team was very united. The fact that we see this objectively, as if engaged in Research Work on Corporate Culture, assessing once every six months the values by which the team lives with the help of special questionnaires, and we have such a whole direction, it is absolutely obvious, that this brought us together very much, today this hospital is multidisciplinary, with a fairly large oncology unit, as far as i understand , yes, it is a large hospital, more than a thousand beds, there are. We have 300 inpatient oncology beds and it was reconstructed at the end december, an outpatient Oncology Care Center was launched, where oncology patients from the Southern District from the southwestern from tinau are sent, we have this all happened during the covid period, we launched a childrens Infectious Diseases ward 2 years ago, noncovid 100 beds, a year ago we. Opened a large perinatal center, so the hospital is developing and those trends in changes in moscow healthcare are probably illustrated in our hospital, new walls, new technologies, completing the topic of covid and that period, what is the greatest gain, what is the greatest loss, and the greatest gain is, of course , people, the greatest loss is the people whom we could not save. You have a reputation among doctors as a rather tough boss, rather merciless and uncompromising boss, at the same time they adore you, thats the paradox, who doesnt work with you, youve already formed some type of person, a psychotype, i dont know the anthropological type of person youre talking about, maybe my boyfriend is with you, those who is professional about our special, and what is professional, well, they tell lies when you discuss something, the same too. It is considered, well, this is a very clear moment when i understand that what the hell are they doing, they are justifying their some mistakes, of course, of course, some, well, mistakes, some kind of laziness, maybe, but why do you think they are lying, maybe they are afraid that you will be very tough in the relationship, i dont really understand what tough is, because if you take the formal on the other hand, the number of disciplinary orders we have from all personnel orders is some 0. 0 0. 0 , because from the moment the hospital was built, the team, the Corporate Culture that they said, we followed the path of a completely understandable, understandable story called gci , this is a management system, an incident control system, and we we continue to work, and what it seems to me that we managed to achieve is when an employee declares this incident himself, and again this system of incidents is based on why it took off, because a person knows if he declares his problem, including, in which he is guilty, there will not be any punitive and repressive stories , and we correct mistakes through training, and i heard that you are very strict towards those who, to put it mildly, violate these behaviors and communications with patients and their relatives what you dont allow, i dont raise my voice on patient or relative, to Say Something rude, im not strict, i just cant accept it, you know, when. Youre talking about how were building a patientcentric story, that the patient is at the center of all processes, but how do we you can be rude, boorish, thats one thing. But it happened that they were fired because, for example , a nurse was rude to someone or the doctor was unethical, lets say, no, the first time, of course not, but its true that there is prohibition in the commune , yes, you cant even drink on your birthday a glass of champagne, well, it seems to me that this is not in the commune, this is in all medical institutions, dayura, this is prohibition, in the commune, i hope that this is de facto, well , because drinking is not a problem, but for this there is. Special places, at work we still come for a little Something Else, there is a saying among doctors , your worst patient is the doctor and the thieves, how do you treat colleagues and how do you treat c