Union. Where aleksandrov, the only surviving member of tises film crew at that time, died ten years earlier in the seventies, aleksandrov was editing his option, in general, of course, it may not be an ideal reconstruction, but at least he himself appears there in the frame, and this is such a comment, on the one hand, this seems to be alexandrovs memory of the trip, on the other hand, his a story about the film, by the way, we can look at the already elderly alexandrov looking at the material. Actually, yes, of course, this is how grigory vasilyevichs fate unfolded, he started with esenstein with ezenstein he finished his work, but it seems to me that the image i also need to mention it, because he goes through this story in a very interesting way; in fact, he started in new york. But then he listened to esensteins lecture in america and realized that he needed to study with esenstein. Esenstein went to mexico, returned to moscow, and leida arrived there and entered that workshop, which actually became the main one for esenstein. And with the help of teaching, he, in general, came out of this drama, even the tragedy with mexico, we have a memory of the same leida, how he was such a boy who came from quite another culture, says sergei mikhailovich, what does all this teach . dont make a new film, according to him, later, he grabbed his stomach so much and said how can i give life to a new film if i havent given birth to the previous one, and leida writes down what a fool i was that i even reminded him of this , and for leida it was also such a living connection , yes, he completed a course with the master, but he did not stay in the soviet union, did not become a director, he returned, and then not only accumulated information there, he translated texts from einstein into english, he was the person who published esensteins first book, something that esenstein wanted to do for so long, he even went to europe with a draft of the book, he wanted to release it even then in 209, but it didnt work out, it didnt work out, it didnt work out , new films, in general, its very interesting that this image that he brought up in a conversation with leida, its very biological in a sense, and this is the biological principle in a person, which is also. Very important, isenshtein after all, he opened it in mexico, in many ways, here he has the first short story should have been dedicated to just such a persons natural sense of self; in general, it must be said that the optimistic thing , the only thing in the situation with the material, is that it lives and from it many people then assembled different options, for example , cinema vet oleg kovalov in 1998 edited the film sergei zinshtein mexican fantasy, this is its own interpretation of this material, there may be other. Interpretations, in fact, since now in Digital Culture thats all much simpler, another thing is that here, of course, it is important how a person approaches this, because there may be some distortions, in general quite ridiculous, and we know how one of the filmmakers, turning to this story, could do this and turn it inside out, another thing is that this material exists in this way as a result, just like a film from einstein. These are the frames that we see, they move from film to film, like quotes, like quotes from poetry, in general in one place appears in another place arise, and like certain aphorisms, and one way or another we can get acquainted with them from alexandrovs assembly, from the editing version of oleg kovalov, from the film that mary sitton once made in america in the late thirties, and finally from this presentation , jayley, in general, in its various guises this film continues to live, but it seems to me that everything is important esenstein was inspired to write more by this foreign trip, he began to work more with texts, and here not only was born. An important theoretical book, a method that is generally as basic as he himself defined it, and such a foundation of problems, that is, the support that is for his theory, yes, on the other hand, when he writes memoirs at the end of his life, its simply wonderful a literary work that, i think, our viewers, if anyone hasnt read, will read with pleasure, and this book is not structured like an ordinary memoir, where a person describes. His life sequentially, it is dedicated to only two periods childhood, when he accumulated impressions , generally, such a story of the accumulation of impressions, this is the story of how a person learned to think in images, and is told absolutely vividly and laconically in short individual phrases ; on the other hand, a foreign trip, the Second Period of accumulation of imprints, it turns out that in fact we can take from ozenstein not only from the finished to study him from what he had completed, but also from what he had just conceived, from what he had outlined, when they say, in fact, why everyone was rushing around isenshtein, why he was so interesting, why everyone was jumping around him, why was he invited everywhere, and why is he so important, why is he so important now , what did he teach us, yes, its very difficult to answer, because well, editing, they edited before him, they edited after him, yes, he showed very important editing techniques, but this not the only thing, yes, he spoke about sound, yes, he looked at color, yes, he spoke about culture, how different layers of consciousness are combined there, but he is Something Like newton, who came up with, didnt invent, expressed , yes, expressed, is gravity exists the law of universal gravitation, and we just we continue to exist in this world, physically, simply, we dont think, oh, newton came up with it, why is this important, he just set the parameters in which we are really present, for me ezenshtein is a person who is so. Reassembled the kinetograph montage, then how we understand a work of art, then how we create it, if we were to talk about why watch the film hail mexico now, then my answer would be in order to understand how something is created, yes , how can it not be fully created, how can it then exist in itself, as in this journey we see, well, we see mexico , lets say, ethnography, and we see not only what it is, we see it through certain eyes, we see it through the eyes of tise, and through esensteins ghazal, when the film had not yet been edited, when people saw other peoples edited versions, they said, but its all the same, we understand that this is ezenstein, because we see how the shots are constructed, it cannot be anyone else, the work is independent from how it is mounted, and we. The world through the eyes of these people and we can, at this stage and a halffinished film from the edited later, somehow penetrate into the workshop, into the kitchen, this is, in general, just incompleteness, but we know from einstein from the texts, from photographs, from memoirs about him, and we know what a living figure he is, and in fact, when we see that this material has not yet been edited by esenstein himself, and despite the fact that it will never be edited by esenstein himself, unfortunately, but nevertheless we are present all the time as if next to him, that is, thereby we find ourselves truly involved in his laboratory, in his creative process, and this is probably the most interesting thing in this case, this was the podcast ezenstein125, film historian natalya ryavchikova and kin arrtem sopin, goodbye. The second oldest, the mediator between the state and society, the fourth estate, as it does not name the profession that we will now talk about. Hello, today we have gathered our thoughts about what journalism is and how and why today teach journalists . Elena. Vartanova, dean of the faculty of journalism of Moscow University, yaroslav lbovich skvartsov, dean of the faculty of International Journalism of the institute of international relations, i am vladimir, hello, dear friends, good evening, i have a first question for you, or a prequestion, as i call it, there is such an unpleasant stereotype for our profession, about the fact that they dont like journalists, where he came from and how you personally feel about him, elena. A journalist must ask questions, and quite often uncomfortable questions. Doesnt like journalists for asking awkward questions. This is probably the first reason. Journalist. Lives in a very fast world, and he does not always have enough time to prepare well for an interview or some other conversation with his expert, so sometimes the journalists questions are superficial, hasty, this is also an objective second reason, and the third, probably, is something that is not always easy for journalists to articulate. These questions, and the journalist, which is probably wrong, quite often wants to get some kind of given answer, so journalistic questions are the reason for the dislike of journalists, i think thats the whole point, but this is part of the profession and the profession is probably connected with these uncomfortable questions, so a journalist should, maybe. Formulate more carefully, maybe prepare more carefully for the interview , in general, a journalist should be more professional, thank you, are there any other reasons, almost everything, elena has already said, i could maybe add a little more, but since you said he doesnt like journalists, i immediately have a feeling question, who doesnt like, who, as she rightly said, doesnt like sensitive questions , doesnt like those who know how to twist questions, get to the bottom of things, dont like those who want to get to the bottom of the truth, no matter how inconvenient, uncomfortable, and maybe unpleasant for some it was not, so it seems to me that those people who, in principle , do not like to go deep, who are not interested in key questions, who is where, when, what for, probably they really have such a prejudice, well, what are you digging into . , well, turn to someone else, why did i become an object your. Research, why are you asking me questions, its not always convenient, not always comfortable, if i try to avoid your question, then you also twist it, it seems to me that that person who does not need to hide behind some kind of mask, uh, such people, it seems to me, treat journalists with at least understanding, and maybe even love , well, i was just listening to you, dear deans, this is what i thought, since in recent years i have been working more, so to speak, sorry in pr, yeah. Always, when i meet with colleagues, i say that a press secretary, a pr man, you have to like him, this is, if you like, a professional requirement, yes, because if, well, there are different people, there are people with negative charm, they can be very smart, very professional, but they dont need to be made a presssecretary. Secretaries, but in connection with this i have a question, should the journalist be liked, depending on if yes, so, here again, depending on who, although they didnt want to agree with yaroslav lbovich . But apparently we still came from the same canons of journalism, so we share many things, so here who should like a journalist, and should the audience like him, and perhaps because the audience, regardless of whether it is a journalist, a tv presenter, a parent or a writer, and the audience is the main one for whom the journalist works, he does not even work for the editorinchief , so it seems to me that a journalist should be liked, but he should be liked not as a doll, not as, uh, pleasant, in all respects, a gentleman or lady, he should be liked as an author, he should be liked as a person who creates his own journalistic texts, after all, the main thing is what should a journalist like . This is his job and he should be liked by his work. Where do we get golden pens, golden microphones, golden cameras . From there, when a journalist creates his journalistic product, his journalistic content that people need, then they like it, forgive me, but i laughed, because dovlatova immediately involuntarily said that we are fine originality were called silver pens, everyone else in the editorial office, by the way, regarding originality, it seems to me that this is again about, linaledovna said correctly, what does it mean to like, it seems to me that he should be interesting, as in principle a person, you know, is interesting its not always predictable, we calculate it, there is one publication, i dont want to name it now, which i really, really loved, even in i worked there for many years, and then after 5 or 7 years there i caught myself thinking, picking up this newspaper, i already understood the world remains the world and this thesis gives me optimism, i did not make any discoveries for myself after meeting this journalist , with this publication, with this material, i show in side, with you, with you, i make vladimirs discoveries all the time, you dont know the next question, well, of course, its unpredictable, like everything you do, so, it seems to me that if the publication, thats for me as for consumer, user, if it is predictably understandable. To me, then i lose interest in it, so i like it in the sense that it surprises, but gives food for thought, offers some other angle of view, these are the qualities that, it seems to me, a journalist, a pr specialist, a pr person should have, i agree , inform and analyze, i will hit to you, gentlemen, old churchill, a journalist, if im not mistaken, churchill said so, anyone educated can be. I agree, without education there is no journalist, i would expand the european here, just to the word person, or man or woman, but what you want to say that an educated latin american, its impossible, churchill will no longer answer us, yes, we ll dream up a little, any educated person. But it seems to me that churchill did not, as they now like to say, complete this story, he did not say that he could write, he could logically structure a text, knows how to check facts, that is, if education includes all this, then any educated person can be a journalist, who can, here ill add a phrase, who knows how, the things that a journalist does, they should be included in this concept of education, well, it seems to me that we understand that we are, so to speak, trying to treat old man churchill with respect, but still with this definition, and lets emphasize the word any, isnt he trying to say that in general there is no profession as such, you are educated man there historian, you. In general, you dont need to know anything else to be a journalist, well, it seems to me that as far as i understand churchill, he meant an intelligent and intellectual person, well, of course, thats probably what he meant , although the southern european and the Northern European differ in temperament, therefore, i would not concentrate on europe only , its absolutely true, especially since lets remember that , for example, during the time of serchill, lets say a country like portugal, which we now certainly attribute to europe, europe not they thought she was somewhere there, on the sidelines, so it seems to me that while defending churchills brimstone in this case, he did not cast a shadow on the professionalists, because these additions, formed through the mouth of churchill, are a european, that is intellectual, well, first become an intellectual, and then. You can show yourself, your knowledge, your education, your intelligence, including as a journalist, it seems to me that here he is not what he is not something that doesnt cast a shadow, on the contrary, its very high puts, because the person who , according to churchill, falls under the category of an educated european, using the exact quote, as you did, you first reach this bar, but watch. That he is casting a shadow, of course, he maliciously belittles journalists in this way, because , after all, there are skills, magazines, what we teach then , which, as you started with this, as you correctly noted, which are not needed by politicians, and sir wanted to be constantly criticized, to be asked uncomfortable questions. Like yes anyone can anyone, formulate an agenda, select the main events, check sources, find the correct interpretation of these events, of course , anyone, and here he, well, i think he simply expressed some of his dislikes for journalists when he said that there is no such profession, what do you mean, sir . That there is such a profession as politics, but look, politicians too, and politics can be cooks, said another, the state. Well , look, look, at the same time, there are still Different School traditions, yes, in the same united american states, like theirs once called, yes , after all, there is a school of journalism, which assumes, colombian, yes, in my opinion, which assumes that people go there, and those who have received an education, that is, those same educated ones, well, in this case, americans, although i when i studied there i met few of them, but nevertheless they were already like an additional skill. Having studied journalism there for a couple of years, but there is still our Classical University training for journalism departments, thats the difference here yaroslavovich, how how to feel about this, well i i would say this, probably, if you wish, you can find really very different models , yes, even it seems to me that you can travel around the United States itself, see the differences in the presentation of information in the methods of working with information, in different. And parts of the country, in different, lets say, layers of society, as in any other big country, but it seems to me that in essence, what , as it seems to me, we teach our students, we teach them to think, and to think soberly, interestingly, to reason, not just to philosophize, not just to give give free rein to your fantasies, and clearly relying on a good background, once already quoted , my colleague once said a wonderful thing that i often quote to my students what is culture . This is a system of selfrestraints, romanov, and so it seems to me that this includes selfrestraints, that is, that is, we develop in them the skill of thinking, reasoning, formulating interesting questions, again, you and i often encountered, it seems to me, it was interesting. The trip to mexico was very interesting, it would seem that they are nearby states, and before that we crossed the northern queen as a gomanovich, but a completely different presentation, a completely different perception, and this is what really makes the world interesting, and our profession is interesting, that you see these differences, for headaches there is askafen p, at an affordable price, and askafen ultra with effort. Composition to combat headaches and migraines. Askafen when you have a headache. Sber presents a loan with cashback. Allow yourself more. Every month return 2. 5 of the bet with sber bonuses thank you. Hurry up to get a loan with increased cashback. 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