Schools. I spoke with this Golden Cockerel in schools hundreds of times, well, this is a wonderful text by pushkin, because its just that such a pearl is not like that, listen, like the children of his wonderful, in general, children listen to pushkin wonderfully and gorky by the way, i read gorky as a child and i will ask you a little later, just read something, this is just a topic that i will not hide for discussion, because not every actor feeds. Here is such a taste. How do you like reading, but he reads literature less often. Maybe im wrong, but they rarely read, uh, plays and dramas. Fragments of the concert concert concept, of course, sum up the matter , in my opinion, yursky is read literary or simply, yes, this time and even a parallel profession, because there is none there. There is no costume, scenography, no, nothing. Yes, you yourself the text depends on you, of course, on the author in first of all, of course, and the author takes you out and leads and leads you understand, her and the height of the author to his equipment, the author, mmm. This is, of course , you. Well, how, how you are not alone, after all, you are not alone, you have a huge range. E, hmm different registers and i really love your work , including e in the genre of reading a literary word. As they say, maybe uh, so improvisation, you would agree to read something. You mentioned the childhood of maxim gorky, it will be you know, i read a small piece. Hmm, a fragment, thats about how after the grandfather flogged alyosha alyosha is the main character of the story grandfather. This is his grandfather. Yes . This is grandfather kashirin alyosha, this is gorky himself , the future writer. Yes and now, uh, when i was punished for a prank there , i will whip very cruelty in this. You know why my grandfather caught me unconscious. He writes bitter things in this book, and then the boy gets sick. I just fell ill, came to my senses from feeling bad and could not lie down. Only on the stomach, the back was all broken. With rods, family members began to come to visit him and grandfather himself came, by the way, apologizing for what he had done, and then gorky wrote that i understood that grandfather was not angry and not terrible, but the main gypsy came there. It was such a foundling raised in the house by a grandmother, and this gypsy came to visit alyosha, a square , broadchested with a huge curly head, and he appeared in the evening. Festively dressed in a golden silk shirt, sending trousers and creaking harmonica boots and shining, his hair sparkled, cheerful slanting eyes under thick eyebrows and white teeth. Under the dark a strip of young mustache, his shirt burned, softly, reflecting the red light that did not extinguish the lamp. You glyanka said, he rolled up my hand. And showing a bare arm up to the elbow in red welts. Even worse was healed a lot. Do you feel how the grandfather began to enter into a rage, i feel and see constipation. He started to substitute this hand for you , waiting for the pond to break, grandfather gives for another. And a woman will drag you away do not alimate. Well, the pond didnt break, wet and flexible. And what do you like less . Ha ha, you see how he laughed again with a silky gentle laugh, laughing, looking at his hand and talking. So i felt sorry for you, that it was a disaster, and he whips, snorting at the horse, shaking his head, the gypsies began to Say Something on matters that were immediately close to me, childish simple. I told him that i love him very much. He simply answered meekly. Yes, i love you too. But he mistook pain for love. Did i start for someone else, for whom i didnt even give a damn, then i began to teach me quietly often looked back at the door, when they suddenly burn you, they will flog you, dont shrink, dont squeeze the body, and you loosen it freely kiselyov lies down and dont pout. Breathe in all of ari and you remember good obscenities, well. I asked if they would flog again. And how calmly the gypsies answered you, go to often they will fight. And why does grandfather find and start teaching again if he cuts from a canopy, just put it on top in a vine, lie softly freely. But if im heavy now, if he hits them towards himself , pulls the vine to remove the skin, then you wiggle your body towards him, its easier. I am in this business with me and the most quarterly i have from the skin of even the neck of the neck, i looked at him and remembered grandmothers. About ivan tsarevich, about ivan the fool, such a fragment is amazing. You know, i remember, kisselyon lies. This is, of course, my childhood reading. I remember this scene, but i have left. Exactly this phrase kisselyon lies. I didnt remember at all. Eh, and thank you for reminding me of this, that, uh, alyosha, uh, well, its like trying on grandfather. Yes, its just a pity that through such torment. Yes, yes, yes it is now they would say that this is a fashionable childhood injury, it was painful to remember that it was he who beat me so severely, but also to forget about it. I dont could this is an amazing story. And whats the contrast with another childrens trilogy . Yes , because the name of gorkys trilogy is childhood in my people, universities, but this clearly refers. This is tolstoys technology. And childhood, patronymic youth could not have had such things, but there were others. Yes, there were. This is, uh, a wonderful thing to read korikov. Well, heres what i remember very well. Your work is on top. And i understand that asking you more, something would be wrong, but uh, thats how it is in the army. A i also heard and was just shocked at how you do it. There is also a lot of cruel, a lot of rough rough violent this is a book that came out in the midtwenties and actually it is, but another picture. Hmm civil war, if you like for centuries. Yes, of course, i think its epic. Thats how quiet longer shelkovsky. It seems to me that this is the kunarmy. Hmm , because there it is very motley, these are separate short stories. Yes, this collection is tired, but this is a patchwork quilt. This so all . . . Expresses salt. Remember the story, of course i told it to me at the age of 15. He was offered to read more than anyone, i did not understand how the women gave out a huge piece of salt for a baby. Yes, to be taken on a train, to be taken during the civil war. And when the Red Army Soldiers realized that there was salt, they were a baby, they shot her slowly, right . I didnt know how to read this time, how can i justify. Do you understand this shooting . Well , there was still no polyphonic perception of life, then we were brought up, still very straightforward enough in soviet times. Yes , quite straightforward, so uh, i realized that i could not read it then, but now i would take it, of course, of course, with understanding now with it. Eh, here is our 20th russian century, of course, this is the concentration, as it were, of everything. What happened to russia in the 20th century. There is so much violence so much tragedy, how can you read all this . Here is lydia guinnessburg, a wonderful literary critic. Mm. He says that babel does not change his voice, that is, he writes with equal intonation about suffering and about the beauty of the sun. Rolling like a severed head. For example , he has the image of his first wife crossing the bruch. And i have a question that is not even an amateur. Fana, well, how to approach this . What is here . Perhaps feeling is one thing when a reader , alone with himself somewhere in the evening, reads such prose. And as an actor or a reader, if this word does not jar on you, how he does it to a woman is very ascetic, despite the brightness, he very much selected expressive means. Hes got everything so tight. Oh, they even drove a scander saying that even through excessively compressed the very beginning of the story there is nowhere further than this i spend the spring to compress. Well, yes, well , iskander thought so, but this asceticism suits himself, as an author, as a writer, that it is necessary to squeeze out everything superfluous absolutely. You know, maybe there is some contradiction here. Maybe im wrong, but such redundancy, e stylistic constructions and mechanism of feelings. Yes, e, he is rather laconic not in the selection of verbal means, but in a row, because in the selection of any means of selection. Yes, and he doesnt have it. You cant squeeze more water. In his prose you dont understand, uh, and i once. We walked together with Mikhail Mikhailovich with zhvanetsky e, at one event. I say Mikhail Mikhailovich. Im doing a Babel Program now, nothing more difficult for mere memorization. I didnt have to. Uh, teach. He says, of course, because it is a language, that is, it is its own language. Here babel is very helpful, by the way, the performer understands that this is not some kind of language that can be gleaned from a dictionary. Yes, this is organic, which somehow shapes you very much. Do you understand . I always have, very it seemed strange or mysterious that, yes, it could not be sympathized with. That is , as soon as you try to have pity on someone and die, because when a young jewish woman lived, she says that her father was killed and her hacked father lies nearby. She speaks calmly, and where in the world can you find a father like my father . That is, if you think about this situation, yes, what lies dead, i dont even want to say it. Is it possible for them to react directly to sympathize, or do they also need some kind of distance . If you try to sympathize with such a mountain . Such a cutter are you a performer or a performer . Yes, im interested. Exactly as you should, of course. Eh, here it is necessary not as he said, Dmitry Nikolaevich zhuravlev must keep himself on the reins. Uhhuh, you cant let yourself go. Eh, thats all, a sentimental experience , you cant dissolve in it and you cant bathe in it, you cant enjoy it, but you need to lead very much. Oh yes, the authors line. Yeah , the authors speech is the authors voice, that is , they felt the authors not what is happening between these people doing it. This is a very important story even in such tragic things can be seen. I, for example, uh, when telling tyutchev to students, uh, i say that there are some of them there. Of course, there was no cruelty in the verses. There is death. It sometimes happens there in the deniseev cycle, but nevertheless there is tragedy. Yes, of course, as deadly. Yes, of course, she was sitting on the floor and sorting through a pile of letters, how she took the burnedout hall, removed their hands and threw them away. Yes, and there is the possibility of love, the collapse, the tragedy of love. Here it is, yes, yes everywhere, she lay in forgetting everything and taking into account covered, but im talking about the fact that tyutchev sometimes gets to some kind of look that is not available to a simple person. There is a certain private beginning of the world to be silent. What is the night of seminary silence, but somewhere at night somewhere the money. Yes, i was especially struck by the line, as if an ethereal stream flowed through the elderly sky. That is, you can just die if you imagine that the sky is passing through you. Hmm the sky is the world, uh, amazing story, he is like nikolaevich well, in general, in the theater, um, it is customary to say that the main thing, after all, is a gesture, the main thing is scenography home. How to stay on stage . Yes , because the theater is the art of action, as we know, according to aristotle, but in the theater there is a word, as well as for literature. As for the word in the theater, it has some specifics, what happens to the word when it hits the stage, when the actor pronounces it. Do you know that and how long does it take us to play different texts . Mm, we understand the value of a good text. To a strong author who is strong in terms of mastery of the word, precisely when we play weak literature, and yes, yes, here something has to be something. It means to compensate mm for the lack of strength and words. Uhhuh that is, if the word is strong, uh, and talented, then nothing more needs to be done. It is necessary to express it, to express it exactly , you understand, it cannot be spoiled to convey it, but it holds itself, a visual gesture is not intonation no costumes get here and the viewer begins. Associate thinking of himself in connection with what he heard died does not know the full effect. Yes, he does not know that the audience everyone thinks about their own when you are armed with a strong word, then you are protected and you are protected from failure because you are the author he gives you, he gives you, and he works for you and find out, i once read fazili iskander in concerts. Once i invited him to a performance at the theatre. He watched modern sitcom. Well, then he sits. I have tonechka , his wife, anton nikolaevna, behind me. Yes, a fazelle in the back. I say abdul how do you mean . He says, well, actually says very well. Very good. Tempo it still seems to me that in the theater the main word we mentioned was listening. To the hangar. Nikolaevich yes, we have a program in the theater of the nation, you are really welcome. This is how the hare himself signed and covered the period of almost the end of the great patriotic war when he had already fought. Ska was, victory was already close to berlin and suddenly he was arrested for correspondence with a friend and began. This is his ordeal. These camps, these links, and so on and so forth, how he defeated cancer, yes, yes. Yes, yes, it was hard to prepare for death. And how he survived. And as he began to write, he did not absorb the clatter, which is generally unbearable. Yes, and how i began to think, but in general about russia of the 20th century and wrote books about it, and its history, and its fate in the 20th century. Thats about this performance, this short, by the way, an hour and a half young actors. Yes, yes, our team directed marina brusnikina, yes, with her youth and with me, andrey dubov was our pianist, because alexandra still loved music very much before receiving the nobel prize nemilo all this way from imagine this is a selection from a selection. Yes . Yes, yes, yes galina andreevna tyurina made this script, yes, yes, which my colleague directly liked. Yes, very captivating. Somehow we they did it at first in the art theater. Marina did brusnikin for the anniversary, alexandrovich for the centenary, and there it was very much in the seventeenth year. Yes, and there are a lot of young people there, almost all the youth of the art theater were employed. You know, i saw at the rehearsal. What an impression is obeyed punishes the youth even before they leave the audience to gain a foothold, and you know it, it was such a school for them. Well done, that they did it in the art theater. You know, i even spoke to our Young Artists afterwards. They are so very remember. This is this project. As such an important personal story for himself, which he did not survive. Yes, it happens, yes, its one thing. Yes, it should be. Well, at least. Before those who are in the orbit , konstantin sergeevich stanislavsky, of course, yes, yes, tenderly tender. Eh, some time ago i grew up with a phrase that nothing can be played. You need to grow it all in yourself. Yes, stanislavsky says Something Like this that you cant imitate anything , you cant imitate anything. You just need to find some kind of support in yourself, so oleg dal told me. He is life ground theater. Yes, of course, of course, yes, shchepkinskoye is famous and he said that boris andreevich babkin, the actor is threshing the famous legendary performer chipai, that he was already a little inclined in years, he said all grayhaired, only now i realized that nothing needs to be played. Its a great phrase to open up a lot for me, because i, uh, really love what you do on stage, but always thanks, its clear, how it is, how it is from the inside and here thank you so much, by the way, yeah, we didnt mention it yet about Anton Pavlovich chekhov yes, yes, this is also a whole universe, i staged graduation performances with students. Ivanov chekhov and the guys managed a lesser known play. She is also very important. The guys coped, in general, chekhov is very difficult, of course, for the young, you absolutely know, here we are now, uncle vanya, a new premiere at the art theater of the chekhov moscow art theater and the name of chekhov yes and, uh, we gathered for the first reading, the director came , says, well, lets read the roles. For the first time, everyone saw each other and became read. And you know, at this reading , i was suddenly absolutely surprised in an incredible way by how relevant it is, as if chekhov is our contemporary, ours, and this is how it happens to be a classic. Do you understand . I still think, maybe im wrong, of course, the greatest pushkin e. And dostoevsky but in chekhov begins what is our modernity. In the truest sense, without any discount without distance. This is a person who speaks to us in our language right to kill wrote correctly. Nemirovich danchenko chekhov what give us, please, a seagull. Chekhov did not want it to fail petersburg failed. Yes, give us, please, because i feel that the modern theater is new new. In the theater, the new theater cannot be born without your plays, but it is so true, because eh is unspeakable. She is generally who i ask the students. They answer. I am a seagull a seagull is an amazing phrase. It is not clear what kind of person is in each person. The secret in a big little one is that what we see now, well, i cant help but say that in our museum, in the state museum of russian history literature named after Vladimir Ivanovich dahl, and most recently, after restoration, the chekhov house on sadovy kudrinskaya was opened. I know that once you considered this place yours, and i spoke there and more than once read chekhov there as a smerchinovnik. Its a wonderful room. Here on the second floor, and now this order has been preserved there. Here is an amazing story. I am directly inviting you on the air to chekhovs house, and as a visitor and, of course, as an executive. Yeah, with the pleasure of an artist here, we will be terribly terribly happy, because, of course, avangard nikolaevich every second of communication with you is happiness, because speaking with you. Eh, you involuntarily join what is considered to be a classic, but it is not always customary to talk about this, so it is convenient, as if to say, well, shakespeare is great. Yes, like kharms pushkin is great, uh, and okay, when will it all end, in my opinion, chekhov is all over here and its not customary to talk about it. And it works with you. Eh, its not for nothing that our , uh, podcast is called. Let them not say beads read. Of course, we talked to you, but we spoke primarily so that everyone who hears and sees us, uh, read literature more, love it, as she says nikolaevich leontiev, peoples artist of russia , our todays guest. Thank you very much. Thanks for the conversation, because its very interesting. Thank you, i am sure that we are with you more than once. See you, all the best. Thank you hello everyone