and if we are going to raise the debt ceiling, we need a balanced budget and a path to a balanced budget and automatic spending cut to bring the budget down. that s the only ternals by which i would vote for a debt increase. by the way, judge, when i was in washington in 1982, national debt was 1.2 trillion and now at 14 trillion. is it immoral for the government to spend and pose it on our unborn? we have trillions of entitlements and promise to pay. they don t look at basic balance sheet. it should be clear to anybody who knows how to balance a book. we ll be right back. thank yu, judge. iñm