our leadership in this company, including mark zuckerberg, have called for this regulation because we think these are important decisions we shouldn t be deciding for ourselves. reporter: but, of course, jake, facebook might have a very different idea than frances haugen of what that regulation should look like. but, jake, that zuckerberg response, oh, boy, she really got under his skin. donie, thanks so much. let s bring in cecilia. she covers technology for the new york times. we ve had her on the show before. she co-authored an ugly truth: inside facebook s battle for domination. good to see you. zuckerberg, not surprisingly, took issue with the whistleblower s entire testimony. not accepting the premise but i d like to ask you about this. the basic premise of the whistleblower and all previous whistleblowers is that facebook values profits over even basic decency. when there s a decision to make, when the algorithms are spearing