Concerning the allegations, i stressed that no one in the new team governing ukraine had anything to do with anything that may have happened in 2016. They were making Television Shows at the time. I also said that it is not credible to me that former Vice President biden would have been influenced in any way by financial or personal motives in carrying out his duties as Vice President. A different issue is whether some individual ukrainians may have attempted to influence the 2016 election or thought they would buy influence. That is at least plausible given ukraines reputation for corruption. But the accusation that Vice President biden acted inappropriately did not seem at all credible to me. After that meeting, i connected mayor giuliani and mr. Yermak by text and later by phone. They met in person on august 2nd, 2019. In conversations with me following that meeting, which i
did not attend, mr. Giuliani said that he had stressed the importance of ukraine conducting investigations in
visit for president zelensky scheduled and to keep ramping up support for the new ukrainian president and ultimately the ukrainian government. i did, however, on july 2nd, as i was becoming concerned that we were not succeeding at this, to tell president zelensky i think we have a problem. and that problem being this negative feed of information from mr. giuliani. and ultimately i think as you testified in your opening statement you introduced mr. yermak to mr. giuliani and they eventually met, is that right? that is correct. now during this whole time in july and after the call into early august when they met, crane still desperately wanted that oval office meeting for president zelensky, correct? that is correct. and you also wanted that for president zelensky, is that right? that is correct. why was that oval office meeting so important to president zelensky? i think that he felt that he was not well understood by president trump. he is a charismatic leader who