injure richie injuries. numerous law enforcement officers have secured the perimeter here and have locked down this area. we don t know, again, the ex-tent of hex ex ex-tent of his injuries. for now, he is here in the emergency room at the alice hyde medical center and i can tell you talking to a local pastor, other local residents, they are relieved. page? okay. adam, thanks so much. stay with us. i want to go to zeke unger. he is joining us from l.a. zeke, we are hearing about how they could have possibly alluded police. somebody is talking about pepper, that law enforcement was finding a all right ing ing a it is thought to hide their scent. the moisture has more do with it than anything.
freedom. i know our friends across the border, rcmp, toronto police services, provincial police, were all on alert about this particular guy, all ready to pick him up, or both of them up initially. there wasn t going to be any sense of extreme freedom by crossing the border works have made it a little more difficult on this side but such a great working relationship with our canadian partners she would have continued the same way we were here. zeke unger, what do you think? do you think he would have been snapped up immediately in canada and working with the canadian authorities? absolutely. one of the things that fugitives have in their mind is if they go over an international border, that it s the end all. the treaties that we have with these countries and the relationships that the united states marshal s service fugitive task force has brings these people back on provisional warrants and blue notices almost immediately. it takes a little bit of
dismembering people, torturing people. they re depraved human beings. exactly. exactly right. spot on. they re losers. they couldn t even escape, really. they sent i do think they plotted for months in there to get the saws, to get the bits, you know, to get the drill bits from joyce and to get on the catwalk, to scheme, the hot plate, all these little things. that took them many months. but it consumed most of their planning, i think. and short of that, it was get the car and, you know, hey. it s all going to be great. you know, we ll be in the caribbean. well, you know, not really. not really. they didn t really think it that deep. i don t know if that s a movie plot. it s kind of a loser plot, really. yeah. zeke, what are your thoughts on this? well, you know, if you look at the totality of the circumstances from when these men were originally arrested before they were put in prison, all the way through their history in prison, now you have an escape and a mastermind esc
dead, one apprehended, as we expected. zeke, are you surprised, given the fact it took three weeks, given it was cold and rainy, these guys could elude the police for week wills? it is rural. the police officers have to rest. they are worn out. the k-9s have to rest. bringing new troops in all the time, these guys are constantly moving and law enforcement has to move along with them. so you know, not a lot amount of time. we have seen incidents where it has taken years to catch fugitives. this was relatively quick. the terrain though is especially difficult in this area. absolutely. absolutely. what i think these guys have been in prison, they are really not used to being outside and living in the wild. that s correct. they haven t been out in society for a long time. so, coping skills, you have to remember the weather, the
beard just so he could disguise his appearance. but i think the pictures that were put out in the press earlier that did show the beard, they might have been able to get to you know, they might have observed that on tv and decided to change it. i mean, you know, i m sure we ll know hopefully we ll know exactly what that s about, but it seems you know, in the autopsy of matt, that if he was shaven, then more than likely that was done to change their appearance. zeke unger, you re a bounty hunter. what are your thoughts as you look at this picture? do we still have zeke? high adrenaline for many days. he s wore out. and now shot. that s my opinion. and is that pretty much how you thought he would like when captured? absolutely. tired, pale? they say you can run, but you re just going to get caught tired. what do you think i mean, you ve dealt with people who