office, the member of th special counsel s team in th justice department i washington, these othe prosecutors who are contending with potential charges against trump and the vfenom he is bringing to bear against them. how did you guys bear up how did you guys stay what was and stay focused first of all, it would be presumptuous of me to be teaching all these prosecutors how to suck eggs they know how to do it part of it was youth, suppose. but part of it was reall believing in our job our job as advocates for the united states was to bring a case, to investigate a case, i the case was there, to bring it and if it wasn t, to - stop, and he could not pursu it i remember vividly watchin agnew on tv in my little apartment in baltimore sitting here with my wife while agne was saying i will not resign i indicted, i will not resign if indicted, saying terribl things about the three of us it s noise
maryland 1972 to 1979. he was a member of the fearles young team that prosecuted house president spiro agnew an i met him during the productio of my podcast. ron, nice to see you thank you for being here i m happy to be here, rache maddow ron, let me just ask you, i i got any of that wrong or i i m putting any of the emphasi in the wrong place in terms of how you think about both wha you went through and any potential parallels here no, you ve got it right it was a very tense time for the prosecutors. as you mentioned, mr. agne came after us and came after u personally but we were young and we had a job to do. and we just stopped listenin to that. a prosecutor s job is to bring a case that s what we did the one thing that distinguishes, to a degree, th agnew case, and how it was resolved, and one of course wa his fear of going to jail,
it and if it wasn t, to - stop, and he could not pursu it i remember vividly watchin agnew on tv in my little apartment in baltimore sitting here with my wife while agne was saying i will not resign i indicted, i will not resign if indicted, saying terribl things about the three of us it s noise and any seasoned prosecuto knows it is noise. you put your head down, you do your job, as i m sure they are doing, and you speak in court. that s it. everybody keeps saying we are in uncharted territory uncharted waters it s not true. you and your colleagues charte these waters for us in man significant ways many year ago. and the country owes you a deb and the country owes it to you and to all of us, to remembe how ron leibman, former u.s. assistant attorney for marylan from 1972 to 1979, on th
rabid conservative supporters. and in the plea deal that agne agreed to, he s leaving office his resignation was required b doj as the price of him having his charges massively reduced, to the point where all he ha to do is take some probation and pay a fine and what that means for us today is that part of ou historical inheritance here is that if trump is facing, likely, conviction in a criminal penalty that he does not wan to face, it is not impossibl that he could agree to a ple deal that makes him free and ranting and raving no doubt bu also banned from electiv office there s nothing about the lega process that he is involved in now that intrinsically exclude him from public office or from candidacy for public office in the future but the last time we did thi 50 years ago as a country, wha happened was a plea deal tha included that person leaving public life forever. that s what happened before. that should inform how we thin about what is happening now. joining us now is ro lieber
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