ukraine. if the ukraine remains a strong democracy, it will send a signal to the people in russia that this is what their country could look like without putin. he s afraid of that and that s, frankly, an issue that is a lot more difficult to resolve than security issues that are now on the table. there have been reports of cyber attack as in ukraine as recent as yesterday. could have been another independent actsers. but in the fast he s done that. what are the risks? should we retal aiate and cyber against moscow eif they attack or start an inization the cyber attack against ukraine? and does that risks and escalation you ve been warning since yvl krr known you and certainly since cia director days about our cyber dfrss needing be to strengthened? i think what you re seeing is