case? under walker, woods, barwick, now as i ve mentioned to you stieh, s-t-i-e-h, they have failed to do that. so if we look at shieh which interesting out of the second dca. i don t know that i quoted it. 67 73rd 275. stating that the joa should have been granted once the defendant presented a prima facia case of self-defense. a pretty good analysis of 776. in that case they were talking about defense of others. of course, the same standard applies as we have here today. jenkins, i think, is one of the most instructive cases. 942 72nd 910. the reason why is because jenkins, a 2006 case, remember as an aside that there are not a lot of cases about judgments of