d drawbacks, as wren williams is finding. now i have this issue where people are not willing to trust the system, and they are saying, look, we need you to vote. williams is in a pretty conservative place in his state. we tried to get he and finch to speak, and they did not want to answers questions, erin. chief advisor to former president bush, you have people saying they can win by using trump s claim that the election was stolen. you re in michigan, a state that he lost by 150,000 votes and the message is he won. as a strategy perspective, is that really a winning message? is it going to work? well, certainly effective in republican primaries right now