rise of that movement. you see what happened in britain in 2015 and 2016 in the united states. what happened in italy. the rise of le pen again in france. the belief that she was going to win two elections. getting drubbed by a quite unpopular opponent, macron. still getting drubbed because the french people didn t want a conservative populist in. you see what s happening with donald trump with the january 6th commission, what s happening with the investigations, what s happening in fulton county, georgia. you re seeing one trumper after another trumper testifying under oath, saying his actions, as we saw last week, are un-american, were un-american, were unpatriotic. with boris johnson, this is nothing new. i mean, johnson s lying is nothing new. he was fired from the times for making up quotes, i believe,
into the details of the investigation, but this is what i will tell you. election interference is a very important subject. we have been granted a special purpose grand jury by the judges here. i think it is an important investigation. what is important is that the grand jurors hear from anyone that may have impacted this election. could we expect to possibly see additional subpoenas from people in former president trump s inner circle, former trump associates? yes. are we talking about family members? are we talk about former white house officials? i mean, we ll have to see where the investigation leads us. but i think that people thought that we came into this as some kind of game. this is not a game, at all. what i am doing is very serious. it is very important work. and we are going to do our due diligence in making sure we look
disingenuous, but here, this is a guy who tried to overthrow a democracy, not just lying about a party. by the way, it is larry the cat. people on twitter have been i thought it was barry. our social media correspondent walter isaacson. we re going to come back to the uk and london in a moment. we want to turn to the story we mentioned the top of the hour, fbi officials smeared by donald trump say they were selected for an extremely invasive irs edit under the former president s administration. former fbi director james comey and former deputy director andrew mccabe revealed they both faced, supposedly random audits of their 2017 and 2019 returns. according to the paper, the odds of being selected are about 1 in 19,000, even higher according to some people. at the time both audits
johnson s departure, may be coming to a short, short end. it was a false spring but, wow, a spring with some very, very bad hair. it really is. you look at this collage of photos across the pond. and never really arrived at a haircut that made anybody happy. he and donald trump. there s just something about these right-wing populists. i mean, good lord. you know what is interesting to note about this, if boris johnson, the prime minister, does, in fact, resign today, is that his own party is showing that there is accountability. there are standards of ethics and character. it feels like here in the united states, we don t see that, obviously, among republicans with donald trump, but a party that s willing to say to someone that they thought was the vessel for the things they wanted, to get brexit done, as he promised during his campaign, they re saying, there is a line you can t cross. we re going to resign and run you out of office. that doesn t happen here. maybe that w
party s voting base. even though he ran into trouble in 2020, if you look at the turnout that he inspired for republican candidates down ballot, you can t completely say that his candidacy was a bust for the party. i think that s why they ve had such a hard time getting over him or trying to shed him. because when you look at gaining 15 seats in the house in 2016 in 2020, a lot of that was turnout inspired by trump. trump s numbers with non-white voters actually improved in 2020. so then the question is, how does trump look at this? i think trump and, joe, look, you know this. the man had four bankruptcies. he keeps coming back, right? some people have a little more shame about running into trouble like that. he went through four bankruptcies and then was on television as the greatest businessman ever with a, you know, decently rated show.