worth it. but i think you ve got to get the nato alliance behind you what you re doing here. you also have to get the american people behind such a move and i suspect after iraq and afghanistan, there s no great desire to dispatch nato and u.s. troops to fight in ukraine. i agree. no troops. but there s a lot more you can do with troops. it starts with air power but that can quickly escalate. look, we ve fought two world war ins last century over europe. if we don t have a vested interest to try to deter or prevent this from escalating, i think i fear for our future generations of americans. general, thanks for coming in. thank you. the former nato supreme allied commander. coming up, does the russian president vladimir putin think he s winning in this showdown? i ll speak with one winning columnist who says yes.