a breach of the. and the subject of that new film official secrets is katherine gunn she is with me here at the big table 1000 it s good to have you on the program and daniel ellsberg the pentagon papers leaker says that what you did your leaking i m quoting here was the most important and courageous leak that the world has ever seen in part because you almost diverted the war. do you agree with him. as a high praise from a man who has done so much over the areas. to campaign for issues around. transparency and open ness and so yes i m you know his has actually a friend of mine and he s been a great supporter of. many whistleblowers out of a is so that s a great ana many was a blowers there are there s daniel ellsberg there s the u.s.
only the 4th time in u.s. history. public impeachment hearings called by house speaker nancy pelosi and against the president will begin it was a whistleblower report that made even the thought of in peaching president trump possible and it comes at the same time that violent deadly protests continue in iraq angry crowds demanding that the state finally provide basic services such as electricity and they re also calling for an end to corruption in government some see iraq s current crisis and they point to the u.s. led war in 2003 a war that we know today was sold to the international community with wide eyes some of those winds were exposed by a british woman named katherine gun and she was unable to prevent the war but her actions have been called the most important and courageous of all leaks i ll speak with katherine gun in just a moment but 1st her story which is now a movie entitled official secrets. the u.s.
their own editorial angle on the paper so we provided that information to the into the public domain and there were m.p. s in britain who were against the wall. and they voted in and parliament against the war although they were and the minority. i still would like to ask them and none of them have oncet this question or even come forward to discuss these issues with myself or motm by the journalist but why did they not take this piece of information to tony blair at the time and say when this was absolutely crucial a crucial moment in history. tell us what s going on tony what is this piece of information hair on the front pages of the tell us what s going on why are we trying to subvert the vote and get a u.n. resolution for war. you know and despite all public pronouncements it s
irresponsibility to put people in harm s way i mean i think really he should turn the tables on himself and ask himself the same question if you turned yourself in you were charged with breaking the official sea secrets act we ve got a clip here from the interrogation in the film and is which is based on what you did was take a look at this. with respect with. you re a spy. yes you get information from people s phones and computers and you feed that . c.s. you eavesdrop on private conversation yes and now you re upset to being asked to do that to members of the security code to detect if. i didn t object to being asked to connect information that could help prevent a terrorist attack. which they object to is being to get the intelligence to help fix a vote at the u.n. and deceive the world into go into war. incredibly
said the worst thing possible 3 years ago. and maybe braised. and you know you see the similarities there but you what we heard from tony blair height of irresponsibility because lives were put in danger of a point. at. yeah i mean it s it s extraordinary to listen to him quite frankly because he took our country the best person to war on a lie hey put hundreds of thousands of british military men and women s lives at risk in fact 179 british military personnel were killed in iraq. and many countless small wounded. i mean it and frankly it s the heights of. now i mean to suggest that it s the height of