all i m arguing is this. am i saying that we should not move towards sensible forms of renewable energy? no, i m not saying that. what i am saying is that i if we think by closing down british manufacturing, if we think by not - producing our own gas, - coal that we still need for steel, etc, that we re somehow saving the world, it s a delusion- and a very expensive one. we led the world into the industrial revolution that created this kind of huge production of carbon dioxide. why don t we lead the world out of it with new clean technology? because. become world beaters in a new industry. because, number one, - you can t do it at the moment without the backup of substantial amounts of fossil fuel. and therefore the logic is, rather than importing it, l we may as well produce it ourselves. the point i m making in this- discussion with you is not that i m saying global warming is a load of nonsense, is not that -
electricity against america, - against europe, against obviously the far east and our competitors. so we export jobs - and we import energy. we could produce our own energy, i which interestingly would be a lower c02 output for the world. all i m arguing is this. am i saying that we should not move towards sensible forms of renewable energy? no, i m not saying that. what i am saying is that i if we think by closing down british manufacturing, if we think by not - producing our own gas, - coal that we still need for steel, etc, that we re somehow saving the world, it s a delusion- and a very expensive one. we led the world into the industrial revolution that created this kind of huge production of carbon dioxide. why don t we lead the world out of it with new clean technology? because. become world beaters in a new industry. because, number one, - you can t do it at the moment without the backup of substantial amounts of fossil fuel. and therefore the logic is, rather than importing
of it with new clean technology? become world beaters because you in a new industry, because number one, you can t do it at the moment without the back up of substantial amounts of fossil fuel. and therefore the logic is, rather than importing it, we may as well produce it ourselves. the point i m making in this discussion with you is not the point global warming is a nonsense, is not that i m saying we should ignore our responsibilities to future generations. i m not saying any of that. what i m saying is what we re doing in the name of combating it is making us uncompetitive and is not actually, in many cases, lowering global c02. we ve actually that s because we switched from coal to gas, which is a much lower carbon carbon content, and we ve started using lots of offshore wind. there are a couple of things. so let s on the broader point,
we led the world into the industrial revolution that created this kind of huge production of carbon dioxide. why don t we leave the world out of it with new clean technology? become world beaters because you in a new industry, because number one, you can t do it at the moment without the back up of substantial amounts of fossil fuel. and therefore the logic is, rather than importing it, we may as well produce it ourselves. the point i m making in this discussion with you is not that i m saying global warming is a nonsense, is not that i m saying we should ignore our responsibilities to future generations. i m not saying any of that. what i m saying is what we re doing in the name of combating it is making us uncompetitive and is not actually, in many cases, lowering global c02. the reason is we ve