roaring back in 2020 or 2024. look, if the midwest if whites in the midwest struck voting like whites in the south that obama coalition collapses, right? that obama coalition is premised on still winning a certain amount of the white working class vote, and that was trump ate into that this time. you do have a strategic problem. even if let s say the republicans don t have the candidate with the persuasion powers of a trump next time. you could win the presidency. look what has happened at the state level. i guess the question is should this new chairman or chairwoman, if one of the women wins, should be focused on let s help chuck schumer get the majority in the senate, let s help nancy pelosi or whoever succeeds her get in the house, or should it be 36 governor races next time, and the depletion of the democratic benc in the last eight years at the state level. i do think this whole focus on the dnc is a little bit misguided for the democratic party. it kind of skirts the
be actively disrupted which, no matter who wins, paul, could be a bad note for the democrats. paul: i have to tell you, i look at the platforms of both of these guys, both of these candidates, it s tweedledum and tweedledee. there s no difference fundamentally, it seems to me, between what they believe ideologically. well, that s why i wrote in your newspaper that i thought the democratic party was heading in a calamitously wrong direction. i think if you emphasize redistribution over growth and confrontation over conciliation, you will continue to lose that working class vote in the midwest that the democrats need with ten senators up in states that president trump won. the democrats can ill afford moving to the hard left. and candidly, i see my party moving in a direction that is virtually unrecognizable. paul: yeah, but, look, they ve why not, let s get to the point about resistance.
be actively disrupted which, no matter who wins, paul, could be a bad note for the democrats. paul: i have to tell you, i look at the platforms of both of these guys, both of these candidates, it s tweedledum and tweedledee. there s no difference fundamentally, it seems to me, between what they believe ideologically. well, that s why i wrote in your newspaper that i thought the democratic party was heading in a calamitously wrong direction. i think if you emphasize redistribution over growth and confrontation over conciliation, you will continue to lose that working class vote in the midwest that the democrats need with ten senators up in states that president trump won. the democrats can ill afford moving to the hard left. and candidly, i see my party moving in a direction that is virtually unrecognizable. paul: yeah, but, look, they ve why not, let s get to the point about resistance.
to. we have to plan for scenarios in different directions. that means being pessimistic. is it possible you had a candidate that was unelectable in those states? i don t think so. have you gone through that scenario in your head? i don t think so. there are scenarios we can t imagine now. what if the fbi had been candid about investigations for donald trump with him and russia. it was hard for hillary to talk about what she wanted to do for people. it was really hard. she was being tripped up every day on e-mails. wikileaks. what do you do about the debate inside the party? everybody will say you can do both, but the idea of identity politics versus how are you going to win back the working-class vote. this has been a tension. how do you deal with it? i think this is sometimes a false choice. if you stand up for working people in this country, whatever color their skin is or their
capitol on nicaragua dinauguraty said this speech is not about running against president obama but running against president george w. bush and what they see as obama s global economic perspective and also bush s interventionism when it comes to foreign policy. they want to be different than the consensus in both parties and try to stake out some ground that allows them in a way to destroy what they see as the democratic s party of hold on the union s on the working class vote. after what part of what robert just told us, how much do you think is going on within the trump administration? everyone gets the change thing that is feels to people and it certainly appeals to people. he is also in the ring against an opponent that most people in this country loathe us, the media. how much of a factor is that in his success thus far? i think it s a marginal factor. in terms of trump s greater ability to pick fights with