issues that draw them to the republican party. do you think that s more what s pulling those voters back to the democrats more than, let s say, paul ryan s issues on medicare? in ohio that s a state where medicare is resonating with voters too. do you think the self-interest is coming back for these voters? well, i guess i don t i don t subscribe to the theory that white working class voters don t understand their self-interest on economic issues. i think we don t talk to them. they may in some cases vote on other issues and cultural issues. i m sure that many do. that would account for the 20% of uaw workers in toledo or youngstown that don t vote for obama or me i assume, but i think the issue is we as democrats by and large fail to talk to the white working class, particularly white working class nonunion voters. we do very well among white working class union voters but not so well among nonunion voters. that s a complex array of issues there, but we don t talk to them