children won t get food. we know things like human trafficking and a lot of things that happen in abuse environments where drugs are given involuntarily. it s hard for me to think to say carte blanche anyone giving a drug addict claim is lisa your response to that please? i think any cost associated with the drug testing would be a drop in the bucket compared to the trillion dollars we spend on over 100 anti-poverty programs. and scott walker is very unafraid. he s unafraid to reform and shake things up. he s unafraid to try to make things better. that s what he s doing in wisconsin. what he s trying to do is to bring people from dependent and make them independent. he s trying to give people a hand-up and not a handout. that s why he s put in worker programs to try to incentivize people to work. i don t think drug testing
can get as long as they re productively employed and making america a better place. but i m not for open borders for welfare. i don t think that s the right way to go. but both welfare and good jobs are both attractions to foreigners and you have to stop the one and encourage the other. i also wonder whether the foreigners looking at what is going on in our country now and the folly at the border, are actually incentivized to gun the system and say, kids or anyone, now is the time to spring in there. exactly. and if you go down to honduras or guatemala or these other places where i ve been, $10,000 is a lot of money. this is a great deal of resources, and then what would you give, neil, if you didn t live in the united states, to be able to have your family come here? absolutely. everything. so these people are responding just like all the rest of us would if we were down there. if we were granted these free resources, and we have to stop
that. the critics say that in this particular situation, that it would have been even more of a magnet had it this law been in place. this bill become law and that it s not border security that the border is secure. this is what critics say. but it is about how to deal with the people who are here. i don t agree at all. i think, one, there was significant resources for that border side. but, if you create a legal framework for people to come and work here and return home, then you ve dealt with a big portion of the problem. so, i think that when you deal with the border security. you have a mechanism to deal with those who are here illegally that doesn t constitute amnesty but does deal with that responsibly. you have temporary worker programs moving ahead, that is a recipe for solving a problem not making it bigger. i want to ask you on another topic. there is a lot of talk about the overreach of this president in executive power. speaker boehner is filing a
having a conversation about 11 million undocumented workers years later. i think you ve got to reverse it and begin with enforcement first before you get to amnesty. i would not support the goal in the present form. i do like what it does with regard to high-tech workers and i think we probably need to have more of a conversation on low-tech workers and against worker programs. all right. mike sanford, thank you so much. good luck tonight. thank you, mark. thank you, as well. you re going to be looking, of course, your column in the washington post. in syria, that arm wrestling contest between you and your fellow washington post columnist. on tomorrow s show, we ll be talking to mike thompson and peter king. they have come together to bring the background check for criminals and terrorists in the house. sort of a manchin/toomey version in the house. we ll be back in a moment on morning joe.
border, border security first before these other provisions ca kick in and there ought to be verifiable metrics about what constitutes operational control. the president did not have a similar emphasis. the question is are we going to have border security first. second the gang of 8 democrat and republican said we are in favor of robust worker programs. president obama s remarks in las vegas did not mention the guest worker program at all. in 2007 he voted for the union backed amendments to get the guest worker program that helped contribute to immigration reform. the third issue, and this is a big one, the speed and difficulty of a path to agreed and eventually citizenship for any of the undocumented aliens who want to go down that path. the gang of 8 interestingly enough democrat and republican said we want solar more difficult. the president s body language not a specific proposal because he hasn t offered one but the body language sounds like faster and easier.