the president to say, here s a young man and do something outside the bright lights of the media to have a conversation and that dialogue is a helpful thing and should be encouraged. a fascinating conversation. i encourage you to check out the rest of it on the interwebs. my conversation with nba commissioner, adam silver. switching gears now. we are continuing our kids under pressure series today with a look at perfectionism. nbc news and msnbc are collaborating with usa today this week to highlight the issue surrounding children and mental health. today, we re focusing on negative gender stereotypes affecting young girls. experts say millennials, especially young girls, have an expectation to be perfect. and in this turn pushes them to avoid risk and failure. but they say if girls took more chances, they d be more comfortable with imperfections and change. i m joined now by founder and ceo of girls who code, rash ma,