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name by any means. but he s somebody who is representing rudy giuliani steve bannon, and he knows trump world so well. he knows the ins, the outs, th people, he know it makes everybody in that world tick and that s something the trump team hopes will help as they work to discredit all of michael cohen s allegation with this. president trump, forme president trump is thrille that he s going tomorrow to testify. he said in a statement here, the most important witness t go before the new york cit ground jury and says quote, th information will present wil supposedly be conclusive and irrefutable. quite an endorsement there alicia gary grumbach, thank you fo getting a starting joining me now is kadia tubman managing editor for insider, and barb mcquade, former u.s attorney, co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast and professor at the universit of michigan law school it s great to see you borth. barbara, let s start with. you why do you think trump s

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