that will be the case for the morning and in the afternoon zebley and mueller will both be witnesses and both be testifying and both be sworn in. literally while i was describing this tonight, this news developed. if we get clarity from judiciary or if they change their plans to try to match what intelligence is doing, we ll let you know. as for this late change in what we re expecting tomorrow, one of the people i most want to ask about this and what it might mean and where it might be coming from from the interest of the special counsel s office is somebody who has had the same job as aaron zebley. somebody who has been a chief of staff to an fbi director. they re somebody you know well from his time on msnbc and nbc. he is going to join us along with a bunch of other very well-placed experts over the course of this hour. lots to come. stay with us. me stay with us you don t really tk about your insurance unless you re complaining about it. you go on about how. .it s so confusing it
is saying that s permissible for mueller to have done, i think barr i think mueller should be asked that question by congress and should answer that question because barr is saying that s fair game to answer, mueller. i think that s a really, really interesting question. i would be interested in your take on this, chuck, because barr has discussed a number of things, including decisions within the special counsel s office and in the justice department about the special counsel s findings. things that the justice department just told mueller he can t talk about. right. so there is this sort of strange situation where the justice department is willing to characterize what happened in mueller s office, but mueller s being told that he himself is not allowed to. there is also the circumstance in which the attorney general, as neal says, has sort of redefined what the rules are and whether or not mueller should have said whether or not the president committed crimes. will robert mue
matters. we don t want him as a substitute for mueller s voice. was this a last-minute request? no, they have made this request for some time. we re willing to try to accommodate, but like many things about the hearing, it has been a constant process of negotiation and refinement. okay. literally while we were just playing that sound bite from adam schiff, i was just handed some breaking news on this very subject. you just heard there how intelligence committee chairman adam schiff explained it as of this afternoon, in terms of these ongoing negotiations about whether or not mueller would be accompanied by his deputy, by his fbi chief of staff aaron zebley, and under what circumstances. well, nbc news is now reporting, according to a house intelligence committee staffer, that we now have some clarity on this. the intelligence committee, again, is going to be the second committee that mueller testifies to tomorrow, and according to nbc news, an agreement has now been reached that
of mueller s deputies, including zebley, might initially be testifying in closed sessions following mueller s open testimony. then that was reportedly either still in process or maybe cancelled. today s the first time that we learned that he ll be sitting there with mueller. what we understand about the judiciary committee s process is that while they believe they had notice from mueller s office that zebley was due to accompany mueller at the hearing, they didn t necessarily understand that to mean that zebley would be sitting at the table with mueller. it seems like maybe they thought he would be there kind of as a date, right? as support staff sitting behind him, looking sternly at the camera as mueller alone testified for hours. it seems like that was the impression that the judiciary committee was under. it s a little murky. that s our best understanding, though. that the specific request from mueller was that zebley would sort of just be in the room. now what we think is that the
terrible big black eye for the prosecutors and for robert mueller in particular. i mean, perhaps when you have an anti-robert mueller crusading tv lawyer representing you, that seems like a surefire strategy to grease your own skids and get yourself off the hook. you know, blow up mueller s prosecution of this other guy. that will make mueller look bad and then the whole deep state charade of the mueller investigation will come crashing down and all the charges will be dropped against mike flynn, or at least he ll get a light sentence and, you know, everybody will get a fox news contributor contract and we ll all laugh all the way to the bank. i guess that s how they thought it was going to go. today that strategy took a little bit of a hit when prosecutors actually won their case against kian and got conviction of him on all counts, even without mike flynn as a witness. and now in the wake of that, in the wake of that unanimous jury verdict that he is guilty on all counts. now mike fl