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it s the race between democratic candidate katie hobbs and election-denying maga loyalist kari lake. hobbs maintains a slight lead over lake, but as ballots continue to be counted lake s potential path to victory has narrowed. joining our coverage nbc news correspondent steve patterson live in phoenix, arizona. and tim miller, writer at large for the bulwark as well as an msnbc contributor. he makes a star turn on last night s the circus on showtime. take me through what s happening, steve, and tell me what the latest is. tell me what to expect. i know there s a press conference later today there. yeah. let s start with the lead that hobbs has over lake. it s about 26,000 votes or so. so about 1%. still far too close to call of course, although that may change when we hear more from this presser, about 40 minutes from now the sheriff and election officials scheduled to talk to the media, although we usually get the vote dump, which is the common vernacular here, a few
any sense regardless of how this goes, if hobbs will concede if she loses or lake will concede if she loses? yeah, we have heard concessions. and i should say that to my right maybe about a half mile away or so, maybe a quarter mile or so, there s a pocket of about ten protesters and there are sheriffs positioned on the roof on top of the elections building behind me. oh, wow. these people are ready for either a concession or a non-concession. they are fired up by lake s rhetoric. and that s what we ve heard really consistently on the ground since we ve been here. that rhetoric has really thrown fuel onto the fire for arizonans who feel like they are adhering to what she s saying, which has been hot and heavy on an electorate and a supervisor board that is primarily republican. bill gates, who runs the elections here in maricopa county, is a republican. and he s been talking about how the elections have been fair, how the workers have been working 18 hours a day and still lake al
talking about how she doesn t feel like this is a fair process, that these workers have been slow-rolling the vote because the votes that are coming in are expected to be more gop favored. so we ve heard really gearing up for this moment. and the point about will lake concede, we re not sure. every time she s been asked that question it has really been met with, you know, kind of a hand in the face and saying that she s going to win so it shouldn t matter anyway. so she will accept the election because she s going to be the one that s victorious when it comes to all the elections and all the votes that have been counted. so what s going to happen in the next 24, 48 hours? we re not sure. we re grateful you re there covering it for us. steve patterson and tim miller, thank you so much for being here with us today. when we come back, there s brand new reporting in the new york times about just how far the twice-impeached ex-president was willing to push the limits of his actual presi
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